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Gameday: Phillies (53-67) vs Dodgers (70-50)

Philadelphia Phillies (53-67) vs Los Angeles Dodgers (70-50)dodgers_logo

Cliff Lee (10-5, 3.18 ERA) vs Zack Greinke (10-3, 3.21 ERA)

Time: 7:05, Citizens Bank Park

TV: PHL 17

Weather: 88, sunny

Media: Twitter and Facebook

The Phillies return home from a rough 1-5 road trip Friday to open a three game set with the hottest team in baseball, the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Dodgers, who own a six game lead in the N.L. West, have won eight straight ball games and nine of their last 10 and 13 of their last 14 games.

Cliff Lee will be on the hill for the Phillies, coming off a tough Phillies loss in Washington in which he gave up three runs in six innings of work but earned a no decision. Lee has not won a game since July 5, suffering losses in his last three decisions. The left-hander has faced the Dodgers six times in his career and has performed very well against them, posting a 2-1 record and 1.40 ERA. Earlier this year he went seven innings and allowed three runs while striking out 10 at Dodger Stadium.

The Phillies will have to work through one of the hottest pitchers in the game in Zack Greinke. Greinke has won seven of his last eight decisions, and is coming off a terrific start against the red-hot Rays, in which he threw 6 1/3 shutout innings and struck out seven batters. In his career, Greinke is 2-1 with a 3.27 ERA against the Phillies, but did allow four runs on 12 hits to them in his last start against them on June 27.

Michael Young has the most at bats of any Phillie against Greinke, posting nine singles in 36 at bats. Domonic Brown, Chase Utley and John McDonald have all gone deep once off the Dodger’s right-hander.

With Charlie Manuel out as Phillies manager, Ryne Sandberg has been named interim manager, and his first lineup is as follows:

Lineup: Rollins SS, M. Young 1B, Utley 2B, Brown LF, Ruf RF, Asche 3B, Mayberry CF, Ruiz C, Lee P

download (1)Gameday Beer: Sam Adams Blackberry Witbier

This strange beer brings out the classic blackberry flavor with hints of citrus. The blackberry flavor is fairly strong and very unique, especially paired with coriander as opposed to traditional hops. When the team isn’t going too well maybe it is time to shake things up and try something unconventional.



  1. Gametime

    August 16, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Thank you Charlie for all you did here in Philly. I wish the spoiled brats with the fat wallets and heads would have played for what they were getting paid. They have no pride or hustle and it showed. This was the real problem behind the losing team. You did you best over the years and for that I thank you. I wish you the best going forward I hope this next season in you life brings you as much joy as you brought to the true Philly fans. Your knowledge of the game and how it should be played has no equal in my book.
    May God continue bless you and your family as you take your next step. You will be missed.

  2. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Two things come to mind about Alex Lee for whatever reason as the Phillies PR bath rolls on, despite Ryne Sandbergbeing a pretty popular guy.

    One, as memory recollects, he picked the Dodgers to win the NL West. Holy hot, what a pounding they are issuing with a 47-18 mark and 23 of 26 since Puig was recalled.

    And two, the epic 2nd half he said the Phils needed rolls on. It just doesn’t get any more epic than the epic on display.

  3. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Another must win for the Phillies.

    We need to do a prediction for when the Phillies will score in this series.
    Since its Grienke tonight and Kershaw tomorrow I am guessing Sunday the 5th inning.

    Good luck Ryno

    Maybe he will have a short stint with the Phillies then a hall of fame career for another team.
    Sound familiar???

    How does Ruben sit on the podium and let a great man like Charlie go?

    Resign you moron.

    When he gets fired don’t allow people to send him best wishes.
    It wont be pretty.

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 7:18 pm

      5th inning Sunday sounds pretty good, BUT, this isn’t to say anything about Charlie, but who knows, maybe you win the Met bet off the managerial change. He’d certainly said it all in 9 years, maybe the fresh voice gets ’em, 2-3 more wins, which might be the difference.

  4. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    CNN just reported that 77% of the people keeping score of the game filled in Jimmy’s first at bat before he stepped in.

    No need for erasers.

    • Andrew from Waldorf

      August 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm

      I wasn’t even paying attention.

      Was it a pop up or a ground out?

      • Ken Bland

        August 16, 2013 at 7:38 pm

        foul popup.

        I don’t know if it’ll matter much, but they didn’t have a bench coach this year, Sandberg might have unofficially filled the role, be interesting to see if double switches and the like go smoothly.

  5. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Yes I am hoping this maybe gets me the Mets bet.

    The Mets are not even trying.

    Wheeler and Harvey will be shut down soon. Wright maybe out for the year.

    But its a 3 game lead now.
    Will the Phillies win 4 games the rest of this year?

    And now this MORON Amaro is on the TV


    Now that the old man is gone I am really hating on this MORON

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      I thought TMac and Wheels did well to keep straight faces during the interview.

      2 nice plays for Asche so far.

  6. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Oh this moron is going to decide Sandbergs future?


    I almost want to not get the package next year or follow this team if this idiot is making decisions after 2013.

    He is not capable.

    Please get him off the TV

    It is embarrassing

  7. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Every time I hear Cody Ashes name I think about this guy.

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 7:40 pm

      quite the accomplishment to land a spot in wiipedia.

  8. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Well theres the bad sacrifice bunt that doesn’t work.

    So that’s still the same.

    Rollins up Ken.

    Isnt it exciting.

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 7:53 pm

      So seriously, you wouldn’t bat Jimmy leadoff with Revere out? And if not, who. And if you

      wanna submit a complete encyclopedia in your answer, what’s your guess as to who Ryno

      bats leadoff the rest of the way.

  9. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    2 nouts, and Greinke throws to first twice with Cliff the runner.

    That is strange. Almost got him the first time, though, maybe the scouting report says Cliff’s not necessarily an attentive runner.

  10. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Id have Galvis up and hitting first.

    But with 2B and SS tied up with old guys for the next few years I guess hes out.

    Its a legit question and hard for me to answer.

    But I also know that a guy with a .300 OBP and .600 OPs really cant be in any of your top 6 spots.

    Its a crappy roster for sure.

    Thanks to Ruben

    Jimmy should have been at the bottom of the line up for years.

  11. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    2-0 Dodgers

    Ryno will be 0-1 now.

  12. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    I’m not connecting with this lackadaisical play thing. Maybe it’s the way I’m defining it, which would be hanging heads, giving up easily when things spiral down.

    If that’s part of it, I’m sure Ryno’s watching the reaction to the deficit to see how they react. He did say he wants to see teammate support in the dugout, so we’ll see how they impress him here.

    • wbramh

      August 16, 2013 at 10:10 pm

      Absolutely lackadaisical play. Couldn’t agree with you more, Ken.
      And (IMO) lack of basics.
      The combo is disastrous.
      Players who don’t hustle to first on grounders.
      Outfielders who don’t know how to get in front of a ball.
      Single A quality pitchers who don’t pay attention to base runners or back up bases on fielding plays.
      Terrible plate judgment.
      The list goes on.

  13. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Theres Mayberry not catching a routine ball in center.

    Ken we had dipshits on here complaining about Shane.

    I swear.

    Notice anything since hes been gone?

    Getting an outfield that can field on a major league level next year would be a huge improvement.

    Havent had one for a few years.

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 8:08 pm

      Actually, I thought Shane slipped a good amount last year in particular defensively. He turned ion some adventurous routs.

      I don’t know why, but I was a little impatient with him last year. Short term quibble, I guess. It’s good to see him helping the Red Sox. I suppose the 3 year deal he got is about right.

  14. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm


    Out of todays crap pile of a line up.

    Ruf at least has a .375 on base pct he needs to be top 3

    Brown is your only young major league level player.

    Probably need to trade Ruiz to a contending team. Which I will support. He deserves to play for a winner.

    Young and Rollins shouldn’t be in anyones everyday line up at this point.
    Except if Jimmy is hitting 8th and can still field at an above average level.

    Mayberry is filler. a nice 4th or 5th outfielder on a decent team.

    Ashe I don’t know about enough.

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      I think if you watch Ashe some, you’ll like him. This half year of exposure will be good for him. Very athletic, and as they mentioned on the broadcast, Charlie liked his short, quick stroke. Plus, those 2 good defensive plays weren’t flukes.

      I wrote some thoughts the other day on Brown batting leadoff. I really feel they oughta fool around with that with a lot of wins don’t mean much baseball coming up. No better time to experiment, and I look at Heyward’s success in the short term, and feel it’s worth a look.

  15. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Clearly, the Angels should have held a gun to Greinke’s head and forced him to sign. Should finish 5 shutout innings right around 70 pitches.

  16. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    The problem with brown hitting 1 is who will drive him in?

    If they get a real line up in the near future its plausible.

    Too bat he cant hit 1st and 4th.

    • Ken Bland

      August 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm

      Definitely true. Maybe Revere works out leading off, but if they can add some pop for next year, then they’s have the option. Now seems the time to even see how he’d do there.

      But there are so many fish to fry, a leadoff guy isn’t high on the priority list.

  17. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    How funny is this player of the week thing?????????????


    Turnign it up baby!!!
    All 3 wins this season

    The week its Rollins I am going to be laughing hard.

  18. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Speaking of Shane, here’s his reaction today…

    “It almost was to the point where I teared up a little bit,” Victorino told on Friday night before the Red Sox played the Yankees. “That seven years from 2005 to 2011, that run we had in Philly, that was one of the greatest runs they’ve had in that sport, in that city.

    “His contract was up. We all knew the situation. But to have it happen this way, I don’t know if Charlie came out and said, ‘If that is what is going to happen, let’s do it now.’ It doesn’t matter. It still hurts to see it end the way it did.”

    And Werth, by the way, called Charlie the best manager he’s played for.

  19. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    It’s only 1 pitch, but the extent to which Zack fooled Chase on that last pitch says it all about how terrific a pitcher he is. Just devastated a very good hitter. Big time.

  20. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    People think the big story on Action News is Charlie splitting. Course deep down, they realize this is barely news, more social reaction, a mere paving of the way until somebody else goes bye-bye, and even then, for all I know, there still may be more change higher up needed.

    But a mere distraction to the real news of the day. The Phils call up BJ Rosenberg on the same day the pitching rich A’s recall Sonny Gray. BJ Rosenberg. He wasn’t too good when the Phils were good. Wonder how he’ll do now.

  21. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I guess the moral of the story on the Brown misplay is when he gets back to the dugout, who says what to him, and how do they say it. Not to mention how soon will they have to say it again.

    But for now, where’s the leadership come from, and is it effective. Not the first time he’s made a play like that.

    • wbramh

      August 16, 2013 at 10:43 pm

      I played right field on my high school team. Had a major league arm, but unfortunately, a little league everything else. Still, I never let a ball get by me even though I wasn’t a great fielder. I’d take a shot in the chest, chin or sack just to keep the ball it in front of me. My coach managed to teach that to me and the other outfielders after on our first day of practice.

      The concept doesn’t seem to be something that should elude any player who plays on any level of organized baseball. My coach also taught us to run hard on routine grounders since the sight of a runner busting it down the line can cause a rushed throw. He taught us to disguise a bunt until the last second to keep the infield back and still get the bat in place. Ashburn would puke watching these guys misplay (and not play) the basics.

      Dom Brown and John Mayberry shouldn’t be struggling out there. They both have the brains and natural talent to be better fielders. It just seems like there’s no coaching of basics on a major league level – at least on this team and there needs to be. The little bit of help at the plate that Brown got from Joyner seemed to help immensely without demoting Dom back to the minors for the umpteenth time.

      Maybe the team should hire my old high school coach if he didn’t retire already. He’d probably be about 85-years-old by now.

  22. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    So they’ve at least positioned themselves late in the game to be competitive.

    It’s asking a lot since the chances are not great, but all it takes is one swing.

    Shows how big that last Dodger run was. T8, 2 on, Chase.

  23. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Getting through Chase and Brown and still having the inning going’s actually pretty good.

  24. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    That’s a shame Ruf couldn’t put it in play. Would have been a nice thing to get some fire uppedness going. Pretty flat day continues in consistent form.

    So it looks like Drysdale will get the win, and Koufax is on deck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  25. Double Trouble Del

    August 16, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Great to see quality ABs from the veterans on this team. Jimmy needs to sit. He has no gas in the tank he’s just weak. Dear Chase, thanks for putting your bat on the ball in a big spot. PS Please sit John Mayberry forever.

  26. brooks

    August 17, 2013 at 7:15 am

    Went to last nights game and let me just say the difference was astounding!
    Players looked crisp, Utley at his finest – clutch hitting and fielding, strong effort all around..
    Oh, then I woke up – 2 hits going into the 8th, no runs – altogether 5 walks and 3 hits. The Phils had a runner on third base twice last night, yup.. real exciting stuff.

  27. Ken Bland

    August 17, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Through the eyes of Jim Salisbury…

    Sandberg has work to do in the clubhouse. It is not a happy place. Aside from a pocket of young guys with eager eyes and hopeful futures, there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of togetherness. There is finger pointing. The fun is gone. That’s understandable because losing is not fun. The lack of togetherness is also somewhat understandable considering that Jonathan Papelbon recently indicated that he did not come here for this. Those comments did not sit well with a number of players who wondered, whatever happened to We’re all in this together? In this summer when we pray for Darren Daulton, a man who led a great Phillies team with those words, that concept seems to have escaped the team’s closer. The clubhouse has been a dour place ever since Papelbon’s self-serving comments and the clubhouse, as they say, leads to the playing field.

    On the day he spoke out, Papelbon suggested changes were needed from top to bottom.

    The Phillies made one at the top Friday.

    It did not have to end this way.

    It should not have ended this way.

    Hey, Charlie Manuel, this thumbs-up is for you!

  28. Fritz

    August 17, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Just want to say a classless act by Phils and until Amaro is gone don’t see thing getting better.

  29. Chuck A.

    August 17, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Well, time for me to weigh in I guess. Been gone for a week with very little access to the internet (really very little DESIRE) and I come back to this crap. Jesus. My favorite manager since Earl Weaver in the late 60s and all through the 70s has been treated really poorly in my opinion.

    I get that Charlie wasn’t returning to the dugout next year. I even said on this blog a few weeks ago that a managerial change was probably necessary. And I also sort of get the logic of having Sandberg get his “feet wet”. At this point in this horrible season it’s all about talent evaluation and I suppose that includes Mr. Sandberg himself..


    Doing it this way to this guy at this time is totally classless. Christ, the man was asked to leave on the day that that they were supposed to honor him pre-game for his 1,000th victory. Huh??? What kind of treatment is that???…The man is loyal to the core, shows his players that by showing up every day ready to put on the uniform he loves…and they can’t show him a little loyalty back by just allowing him to finish the goddam season??!!

    Not that it really matters at all or anyone important will even notice, cause it doesn’t and they won’t…but my few dollars won’t be going to this team for the remainder of this season. I’ll continue to watch and I’ll continue to participate here at PN. I’ll follow the team because I’m a Phillies fan. But I WON’T go to any more games this season as my own personal little boycott.

    And to Charlie — Best of luck to you…whether you manage somewhere else or you return to this team in some capacity down the road. I’m sincerely glad that I had the opportunity to exchange a few words with you at a couple of Spring Trainings. It wasn’t much but you took the time to look up from whatever bat or ball you were signing and look me right in the eye when giving your response. That means a lot to me and i will cherish those moments forever and consider them some of the best of my baseball-watching life

  30. Carlos Danger

    August 17, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    David Murphy nails it once again. He’s one of the few local writers who isn’t afraid to address the RAJ debacle.

    This team won’t get better until Amaro is gone.

    • Carlos Danger

      August 17, 2013 at 12:31 pm

      Wrong link…apparenty two local writers aren’t afraid to call out Amaro! Here’s the Murphy column:

      • Ken Bland

        August 17, 2013 at 1:36 pm

        Since you posted the Ford piece as well as Murphy’s, I’d like to comment that your addition of 2 local writers not afraid to criticize Amaro is sort of like math that states 1 apple and 1 orange = 2 fruits. Obviously, a large market paper isn’t gonna house the long career Bob Ford has had, but most anytime you go into an article by Ford, or John Smallwood, you should anticipate a negative angle. Just because Ford attacked Amaro, or criticized him, is not real reason to laud him because it’s his kind of subject, negativity, in this case toward Ruben. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t write some very readable stuff, but that’s how I perceive him. Only a fool would quibble with Murphy’s abilities.

        I know some people have this perception of the press being too soft on RAJ. I suppose you might, just by suggesting there are 2 that have stood up to his frequent misjudgments.

        I don’t see it that way. I think it’s a lot more widespread than that when you extend it beyond just the major media outlets. And while David Montgomery should never run the club based largely or solely on media or mass opinion, he’s got to notice the extent and volume of blame Ruben is getting in the past 24 hours. Everyone knew that disfavor was coming, but not necessarily the extent of it, which I’d say surpasses expectations. Hopefully, that works toward a good result sooner than later.

  31. Carlos Danger

    August 17, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    There’s already speculation that Charlie may end up managing Washington next season. Bringing a WFC to the Nats wouldn’t be a bad way for Charlie to retire.

    • Lefty

      August 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm

      Do you have a link? I haven’t read that anywhere, maybe I missed it? It’s interesting, but IMO- only worth discussion if it’s true.

      • Ken Bland

        August 17, 2013 at 5:49 pm

        First of all, it was discussed on this blog as early as spring training and seen as advantageous to Charlie in terms of proximity to his home in West Virginia, with the major question being would Mike Rizzo even be interested.. But it’s discussed in 2 places today, my guess being the first article gave birth to the second. To me, it’s all premature as I would think a couple days off will lead Charlie to recognizing it’s good to take a break from the garbage that this disaster had become. But note the fan reaction in the Hardball Talk piece. It’s pretty unanimous, pretty enthusiastic, and the whole thing should get some play in the coming weeks. But working with Mike Rizzo? I dunno.

      • Lefty

        August 18, 2013 at 1:09 am

        If it was discussed on this blog I missed it completely. But I do have days where I just can’t read through every comment, so I definitely believe you KB.

        In my mind, Jayson Werth’s opinion probably matters some to the Nationals, but not enough to sway them. I’d have a hard time believing they’d go “old” again. IMO- it’s one of those “Been there, done that” type of deals.

        Either that, or I just can’t stand the thought of Charlie down there so so much, that I’m in denial. (yes, there are 2 so’s, it’s not a typo)

      • Chuck A.

        August 18, 2013 at 8:15 am

        Lefty – I can’t stand that thought either but if it WERE to actually happen I might actually root for the guy. Seriously. Why not?? I’m not saying I would be a Nats fan. No. Of course not. But I have such high regard for Charlie Manuel that if he he were to win another WFC down there I would be extremely happy for him.

      • Ken Bland

        August 18, 2013 at 9:55 am

        “I’d have a hard time believing they’d go “old” again. IMO- it’s one of those “Been there, done that” type of deals.”

        Old has little or zero to do with it. Only way it relates is marketability, and Charlie’s quite marketable. What matters are the candidates, their individual traits. If there is a competition, Charlie, like any other candidate gets judged by Rizzo’s priorities. Charlie’s a lot different than Davey. The individuality is what will be judged , maybe some similarities and if they are perceived strengths. Not something superficial like age. If I’m guessing, Rizzo might want somebody he can work with. He might see a Dave Martinez as more likely to put up with his control tendencies. That’s more likely to be why he’d hire him, not because he’s so much younger. And Rizzo might eliminate Charlie right away, too. We have to remember amidst all this justified Charlie appreciation that some people don’t care for Charlie’s pen usage, or game strategies, and Rizzo might be one of them. THAT could be a factor, and is an age absent point.

        From where I sit, if Charlie gets as far as an interview, it means Mike’s receptive to the idea and Charlie’s got a great shot.

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