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Gameday: Phillies (60-72) vs Mets (59-71)

Philadelphia Phillies (60-72) vs New York Mets (59-71)
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Cole Hamels (5-13 3.62 ERA) vs. Daisuke Matsuzaka (0-1, 9.00 ERA)

TIME: 7:10, Citi Field
Weather: 76, isolated storms
Media: Twitter and Facebook
Game notes: August 28

The battle for third place is heating up!

Tonight Cole Hamels faces a depleted Mets lineup and will have an excellent chance to secure his sixth win of the season.  David Wright is hurt, Marlon Byrd and John Buck were traded, and the team ranks 29th in MLB in batting average.  Still, this lineup tagged the Phillies for five runs last night, and we all know the Phils aren’t exactly offensive juggernauts themselves.

The boys in red will be facing the once highly touted Daisuke Matsuzaka.  Dice-K is looking for his first win in just over a year and and is 0-5 with a 13.06 ERA in six starts since then.  In his most recent outing (also his first ML start of the season) he allowed 5 runs in 5 innings to Detroit. Last time he faced the Phillies, he came 4 outs away from a throwing a no-hitter.

Pete Orr gets the start in left field and is one of 10 current Phillies who have seen time in Lehigh Valley this year. Since the All-Star break, the Phillies are 12-24 – good for the worst winning percentage in the National League.

Lineup: Bernadina CF, Rollins SS, Utley 2B, Ruiz C, Young 1B, Asche 3B, Mayberry RF, Orr LF, Hamels P

downloadGameday Beer: Rolling Rock

Rolling Rock is a 4.6% abv pale lager first brewed in 1939 by the Latrobe Brewing Company in Western PA.  The brand was sold to Anheuser-Busch in 2006, which transferred brewing operations to New Jersey.  It is a clean, crisp and easy-drinking beer, occasionally enjoyed in pony sizes.  Drink one of these during the game with some hard pretzels.



  1. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 28, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Come on guys.

    Its Dice K and no Harvey tomorrow and you beat Wheeler already.

    Need to win this series 3-1

    Do it for AFW

  2. Ken Bland

    August 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    real good spot and chance for Pete Orr to earn some brownie points here.

    Guessing they’ll pitch to him, and not put another guy on, Hamels or next.

    C’mon Pete.

  3. Bart Shart

    August 28, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    My observation —- Roger Bernadino CAN NOT hit. Why is he batting leadoff? He seems to be the epitome of “All Glove–NO HIT”. He looked awful striking out with the bases jammed.
    Michael Martinez actually looked better. Come on, Ruben. Cut this guy and bring up a legitimate prospect. I hope my itchy trigger finger is not doing my thinking at this point, but this guy looks clueless. Perhaps an eye test will help him.

  4. Ken Bland

    August 28, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Hllalujah, or hoeverr you spell it. No tweets yet on how many scoreless innings in a row for the Phils.

  5. Ken Bland

    August 28, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Phils now with 7baserunners in <3 innibgs. And 0 runs so far

  6. Ken Bland

    August 28, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Say what you want about Mayberry being part of the failure there, but that inning’s on Asche. While Mayberry had a 2-1 count, he batted with 2 outs. Cody had 2-0, and a sacrifice situation, and spent the rest of the at bat seemingly trying to crush the ball. Can’t say I blame him, but that idea might work in other levels, but not in the bigs.

    That at bat was kinda like the Ethan Martin mentality of pitching. He seems to think the harder he throws the ball, trhe better instead of concentrating on the simple mechanics of what he’s doing..

    Lot easier said than done, I guess/

  7. c. schreiber

    August 28, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Lets see if Sandberg has any balls. He needs to pull Jimmie popup out of this game Two plays in a row, didn’t backup second on steal and than didn’t cover third. Let’s see if he has balls.

    • Ken Bland

      August 28, 2013 at 8:42 pm

      what do you do now if you’re Ryno?

  8. c. schreiber

    August 28, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    He has no balls. Jimmie’s batting and now gets thrown out at third. Another mistake as he never looked to third base coach so Schmenk don’t want to hear an excuse for him. Popup should be fined and sat for about three games. Two mental errors in top of inning and than physical error by getting thrown out at third for final out of inning. NO F—–G BALLS SANDBERG.

    • Vince

      August 28, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      Sandberg sucks. He couldn’t even coach third? He uses a different first baseman every night. And where is Darrin Ruf?

    • schmenkman

      August 28, 2013 at 9:10 pm

      lol – he was also the reason they tied the game

      And Vince – Sandberg coached third just fine.

      • c. schreiber

        August 28, 2013 at 10:27 pm

        Yeah, he knocked in the tieing run, but he could have been the lead run if he hadn’t run into the third out at third. Quit making excuses for your son(?), you have sounded like a little league dad all year making excuses for his fumbling son.

      • schmenkman

        August 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm

        Oh I agree, that was a bad gamble. I just don’t get the knee jerk reaction to bench him.

        Or is it the defense — he plays great defense for weeks, has one bad game and you want to sit him for three games? Nice. We all love Orr and McDonald, but that’s a bit extreme.

      • Ryne Duren

        August 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm

        schmenkman I remember an interview with Charlie back in may or early June on the runners getting nailed at the plate and Charlie’s comment about it was that they aren’t scoring enough runs so he gave Sandberg the go ahead to send the runners and make the fielders make plays to get them out. So in a sense it was Charlie’s doing that most of those runners got gunned out at the plate Ryno was just doing what the manger wanted

      • schmenkman

        August 29, 2013 at 12:56 pm

        Ryne, didn’t know that – thanks. In any case, whosever decision it was, I thought (and still think) it was the right one.

        Especially with two outs, I would rather take a chance (and force them to make the play), than end the inning with a runner stranded on 3rd base. After all, there’s only about a 25% chance the next hitter will get the run in, on average (much lower with a pitcher coming up).

        BTW, I am pretty sure that Duren and Sandberg are the only two Rynes in the history of major league baseball.

    • G7

      August 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm

      Ryno just inherited Charlie’s you ever remember Charlie pulling Jimmy out of a game in 9 years? Didn’t happen..not one outfielder in the lineup that started the year, patching the lineup every night and winning..impressive thus far.

      • schmenkman

        August 28, 2013 at 9:59 pm

        It seems a bit premature to call anyone impressive because the Phls played well for a two-week stretch.

  9. Vince

    August 28, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Will somebody get Bernadina the hell out of here already? Where is Darrin Ruf?

    • schmenkman

      August 28, 2013 at 9:13 pm

      Night off for Ruf — he had played 33 straight games.

      • wbramh

        August 29, 2013 at 3:21 am

        Wow! 33 straight for Ruf.
        That’s just 2,599 short of Ripken.

  10. Tracey

    August 28, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Sheesh, is it still the 5th inning? Slooooowwwww game…

  11. Ken Bland

    August 28, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Considering Cole has said in the past that the first thing he looks at is innings pitched to evaluate a year, which is an excellent view, he’s gonna really look back on this as a big year.
    He’s on pace to set career high of about 225 innings, and his standard goalis 200, and Project Drop the ERA continues toward a minimum of 3.33.

    Maybe most importantly is the hold together off a less than good first half and the way he’s zoned in in H2. Good maturity sign. Never heard him complain.

    It’s a depleted Met lineup tonight, but these are the games where you certainly can’t let your numbers go up. This is pour it on time.

    • Tracey

      August 28, 2013 at 9:34 pm

      It’s an interesting stat to use to judge a pitcher. If you have a smart manager, he’s going to leave you in when you’re pitching well (more innings) and take you out when you’re not (less innings). And it completely takes the performance of the rest of the defense out of the picture, because no smart manager will take you out when the other players drop the ball (literally or metaphorically).

      • Ken Bland

        August 28, 2013 at 9:38 pm

        It’s not always the case. It’s only a few innings difference, and it’s possible the extra work might have affected Cole’s next time out, but 2-3 times, he could have gone another 2, even 3 innings, but down and not hitting, Charlie had limited choice but to pinch hit for him in the 6th.

        But that IP is a common focus among pitchers in this day and age.

      • Tracey

        August 28, 2013 at 9:59 pm

        True. Another thing that could affect the IP is weather. A pitcher could do a brilliant job in a single inning… and then have weather delay the game for an hour or more, and the manager decides to pick up with somebody else, loses 8 potential innings in his IP count.

  12. Pamikedc

    August 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Has anyone ever considered that Cole pitches better w no pressure??

    Look at how he began this season? He became better and better as the Phillies stunk more and more.

    Am I just fool of it or does anyone agree?

    C’mon Schnek, Lefty…

    • G7

      August 28, 2013 at 9:48 pm

      I don’t know..he pitched pretty well in 2008 post season..

    • Ken Bland

      August 28, 2013 at 9:57 pm

      No point worrying about tomorrow, but….

      wonder how much scrubbing Ryno does with the lineup. Lotta games in a row, day after night game.

      Mayberry fior near certain in CF, RB sits, even against the righty.

      Asche sits, I’m sure. That’s a huge injury. So Young kinda sorta has to go day after night.

      Probably wise to rest either Jimmy or Chase. Orr? McDonald?

      I’d assume Kratz will catch.

      Day game. Scrub type lieneup. Spring training revisited.

      • Tracey

        August 28, 2013 at 10:02 pm

        Day after LATE night game, because this isn’t ending before 11pm

      • Ken Bland

        August 29, 2013 at 11:00 am

        So the mystery of the Thursday lineup is out, and tremendously helped by the presence od Dom, back in the 4 hole. I suppose it simplifies to only 1 surprise, Chooch going back to bak.

        1. Michael Young (R) 3B

        2. Kevin Frandsen (R) 1B

        3. Chase Utley (L) 2B

        4. Domonic Brown (L) LF

        5. Carlos Ruiz (R) C

        6. Darin Ruf (R) RF

        7. John Mayberry (R) CF

        8. John McDonald (R) SS

        9. Ethan Martin (R) P

      • Lefty

        August 29, 2013 at 11:11 am

        O.T. Josh Willingham is in the Twins lineup today, but he could be an Oriole before the game ends. i always find these baseball oddities interesting, I wonder if he packed before the game.

    • Lefty

      August 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      Mike, I think that many pitchers perform better with no pressure,- or a big lead. But there are a few that for whatever odd reason really seem to thrive under tight pressure. And then there are some that just can’t handle a good thing, and don’t pitch as well in low leverage situations.

      Cole’s history says he is a big game pitcher, but that doesn’t preclude the possibility that he would pitch even better in a less intense game. Sometimes it’s just good or bad luck.

      I’m sure that someone can provide some high leverage pitching stats compared to low leverage, and maybe it will show there is something predictive, or that it’s all just bunk.

      But things do change over time and that could be the case for Cole. I think Cliff Lee is a great example. He was as good as it gets in tight post season games at one point in his career, but then he went to Texas in 2010 and it fell apart for him. He was highly touted for the Rangers as their big game pitcher, but then lost to the Giants twice that year. I don’t think he pitched better or worse, although season after season of 200 IP’s can wear on a guy, but mostly, I think it’s just dumb luck.

      • brooks

        August 29, 2013 at 8:26 am

        I remember a game when Cole was a hot rookie – he was facing Martinez who was then pitching (effectively) for the Muts and it was a highly touted game for both. Mets were in first place, big showdown and Cole was at his (rare) worst. We were surprised and disappointed but the Phils made a game of it and life goes on. I wondered at the time if he would or could rise to the pressure of big games but then came 2008 – questions answered.

    • Ryne Duren

      August 29, 2013 at 12:11 pm

      You’re reaching. He had if I remember 1 maybe 2 bad starts at the start of the season. he’s had a couple of off games during the year but if you applied his outing to say a Kendrick? Everybody would be drooling over KK’s pitching.
      What I don’t understand is why people dump on Hamels or Lee if they don’t pitch a complete game shutout! If this team had any run scoring ability for these two guys their won loss records would be way better. I’d take these two guys in my rotation any day.

    • rellis

      August 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm

      You must be kidding. Cole is and has been a big game pitcher, period. Sometimes I hate this fan base and their short memories.

  13. c. schreiber

    August 28, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Bring Galvis up to finish the year at shortstop for that loafing, popup hitting Rollins. Mauch would have run Rollins all the way back to Clearwater himself for his sh– tonight.

    • G7

      August 28, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      That would be a GM’s decision.

      • c. schreiber

        August 28, 2013 at 10:45 pm

        No crap Sherlock, I was shotting at “no balls” Sandberg!!

      • Tracey

        August 28, 2013 at 10:50 pm

        Yes, Sherlock, and I think G7’s point was that Sandberg, balls or no balls, is not the GM. But don’t let that stop you. Please rant on.

      • G7

        August 28, 2013 at 11:31 pm

        There is no reason to criticize Sandberg at this point..none

  14. Tracey

    August 28, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    Interesting that they’re going to Diekman in what is clearly a save situation.

    • G7

      August 28, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      Next closer..

    • George

      August 28, 2013 at 10:48 pm

      A four run lead is not a save situation.

  15. Tracey

    August 28, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    I have high hopes that the Phils will make it to .500.

  16. Bart Shart

    August 28, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    today, in professional baseball, Gene Mauch would be run out of town as a major league manager. He had his skills, but overall he should have been a coach, not a manager. He choked in legendary fashion for two organizations — the Phils and then the Angels. Plus he really had a crappy personality.

  17. Jay

    August 28, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Wow wtf is with the animosity tonight with the comments? I come here to read and be better informed from my fellow phans…but one or two tonight…ahem…no information just opinions about a brand new manager and JRoll…I love Cholly but he’s gone get over it! And JRoll is JRoll nuff said! Great W!

  18. Andrew from Waldorf

    August 29, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Winner Winner
    Chicken dinner

    Need another big win tomorrow afternoon.

    Biggest game since 2007

  19. Kg wentworth

    August 29, 2013 at 6:13 am

    I feel like this jroll situation isn’t going to end well? Bench him till he’ll waive that no trade clause.

    • schmenkman

      August 29, 2013 at 9:21 am

      There is no “situation”, except in the minds of a small but agitated segment of the fan base.

  20. Chuck A.

    August 29, 2013 at 6:36 am

    And the Jimmy Rollins hate just continues to roll on…. So go ahead…let’s just bench him for however long and put in McDonald, Orr, Mini or Galvis …. and THEN see how many complaints there are on here because THAT particular combination of scrubs doesn’t work out.

    • G7

      August 29, 2013 at 6:52 am

      Your right Chuck..there was not a better option when he was extended, and there isn’t a better option now..I understand the frustration with a veteran player who doesn’t realize a base in front of him is uncovered until its too late..mental errors are difficult to swallow.

  21. Dave

    August 29, 2013 at 8:15 am

    The season is lost folks. It’s been lost for a long time. We all know it. Sandberg is trying different things – moving players around, changing the lineup, putting guys in different situations. They need to see what they have for next year and now is the time to do it. If they win the game in the process, great. If they lose, go get em tomorrow. Of course I still wish Amaro had been fired. But that’s a whole different conversation.

    • brooks

      August 29, 2013 at 8:33 am

      One noticeable thing that Ryan is doing – pitch counts don’t seem to bother him much. Cole threw 117 in 7 innings, Lee with 121 in Monday’s win – I kinda like the trend if this truly a trend. Don’t baby the starting pitchers.

      • Ken Bland

        August 29, 2013 at 10:06 am

        I thought of that last night when I noticed where Cole was after the way he gave Cliff room to breathe Monday, but I chose to dismiss it as a time of the year/standings thing. The least he could do for those two is give them room to compete with some of the things they’ve had to put up with this year they’re preparing for the playoffs, depending on the standings, or mid summer, he may handle them both differently than this week.

        I’m glad to see him doing it because of favrotism for those 2 and Doc, but I don’t read into it in terms of evaluating him.

        But it’d be interesting to hear his explanations on some of his lineups. I’d like to think it’d be educational.

      • Lefty

        August 29, 2013 at 10:33 am

        I like that too Brooks, I don’t know if it is his style or what. Maybe some of the people that pay closer attention to LV can give us a hint. As Sarge would say “For me”,The less bullpen, the better.

  22. Hogey's Role

    August 29, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Personally I like ryne Sandberg, he’s been doing a pretty decent job…

    The team has been winning alot lately, but I’d wish they would save the winning until next season, I’d rather secure a top ten protected pick in the draft in case we sign someone who was given a qualifying offer…

    I also can’t wait to see who the September call ups will be…

    • schmenkman

      August 29, 2013 at 9:49 am

      At this point they would probably need to go 11-18 (or worse) the rest of the way to secure a protected (i.e. top 10) pick. 12-17 may also be bad enough, but may not be.

      As an aside, for those who would like to see them climb to .500, they would need to win 20 of their last 29 to do that.

      Either scenario is possible, but I’d say chances are they finish somewhere between the two.

  23. Ken Bland

    August 29, 2013 at 10:53 am

    In a recent column, Tom Verducci kept pace with his excellent style to release an interesting stat as part of some research he did.

    “Nothing is more important in today’s game than keeping your starting pitchers healthy. Over the past five years, only 14 teams had four starters make 30 or more starts. Ten of those 14 teams made the playoffs, including all five world championship teams.”

    Let’s take a look at last year’s World Champs and see how they held up their end of that new found tradition.

    Timmy had 33, Cain and Bum 32, Vogelsong 31, and for fifth measurement, a then rejuvenated Barry Zito had 32. Right oin script, and then some.

    Amazingly, the Giants are on pace this year to meet the standard again, barely, with Vogelsong YTD having only 11.

    Of however many contenders I feel like including for this year, here are the digits…

    Detroit will have 3 over 30, and Annibel Sanchez is currently at 23, Porcello at 24.

    Texas will have 2 over, Holland and Yu, even Garza COMBINED will be at best 25.

    Boston will hit 4 for 30or more, barely, and maybe have a special wildcard in Buchholz who won’t be close, but if he’s back in the rotation and close to healthy, he is an awesome pitcher.

    The A’s could hit the magic 4 at 30, barely, and have Brett Anderson back, but it’s not Boston’s rotation, for whatever that’s worth.

    The Cardinals are an interesting case in this trend. By this application, only AW and Lynn will get there, Shelby Miller, already having put in a long year needs 5 more to hit 30, but is already in a long season As August winds down, he’s a mere 15 innings from his career high.

    The Dodgers are a qualifier with an asterisk. CK and Ryu are there, Zack will be close, and do you care that he missed 7 weeks so long ago? Nolasco combined is close, but if 30 is 30, technicalities might exclude them

    Cincy will have 4 guys there.

    The Braves will only have 3, Medlen, Minor and Tehran.

    The Pirates would set this trend back on it’s heels.

    The Phils, by the way, will have 3, as KK is at 27.

    So there’s certainly a decent chance this 4 guys with 30 or more starts wins it all holds up for a 6th time in a row It doesn’t mean the other facets aren’t important, but it’s worked as an indicator. And it points to the importance of RAJ addressing the rotation this offseason. 3,4 and 5 are as important as any holes the club faces at this point.

  24. G7

    August 29, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Rollins not in starting lineup today..I think this is at least 3 times since Ryno took over..John McDonald at ss..

    • Dave

      August 29, 2013 at 1:00 pm

      Uh oh, who’s gonna take over pop-up duties?

      • schmenkman

        August 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm

        They’re in the very capable hands of John Mayberry Jr, who hits popups more often than Rollins, both this year and for their careers. It’s a shame Victorino is gone, he was also “better” at that than Rollins.

      • Hogey's Role

        August 29, 2013 at 2:16 pm

        Lol I do miss Victorino though, he would have filled or right field hole nicely

      • Dave

        August 30, 2013 at 11:08 am

        Yes, who needs Shane and his .294 average, when we can have J-Stroll and his .247 average.

      • schmenkman

        August 30, 2013 at 11:40 am

        It would be great to have Shane this year, maybe even at his $13 M price tag, and there’s no denying that he’s having a better year than Rollins. Only point was that over his career (as well as this year) he popped up more than Rollins.

  25. G7

    August 29, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Hopefully McDonald can hit a pop up that falls in..

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