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Young Refuses Assignment, Released by Phils

Delmon Young refused an outright assignment to Triple-A Lehigh Valley and was released by the Phillies today. Young hit .261/.332/.397 for the Phillies with just eight homers in 291 plate appearances. Young’s release comes just nine plate appearances shy of him achieving an additional $150 K bonus.

Analysis: Casper Wells, who was added to replace Young, will make less than $150 K to finish the season as a Phillie. But make no mistake: this was by no means a cost-cutting move. Young, in under half of the plate appearances he had in 2012, managed to be even more detrimental to his team in 2013 according to FanGraph’s version of WAR. Extrapolated across 600 PA, Young would have cost the Phillies two full games. Young posted a career high in K% and had nearly an identical season to that of which he had last season in terms of wOBA and wRC+ while playing worse defense in right field.

Young may now sign with any team but I’m not sure he will have many suitors lined up. Among the 40 players who have 250 or more PA in right field, Young ranks 38th in WAR, ahead of only Endy Chavez and Jeff Franceour, 28th in wOBA, 28th in wRC+, and was the 36th best defender, just ahead of John Mayberry



  1. Boto

    August 14, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    I remember him a few years ago when he threw a bat at an ump in the minors. I never wanted him on the team at all.

    • mrthirsty

      August 14, 2013 at 6:31 pm

      Why was he still allowed to play professional baseball after an incident like that?

  2. Bart Shart

    August 14, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Good bye Delmon. A true penny-wise, pound-foolish acquisition by Amaro Jr.

  3. Ken Bland

    August 14, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    At the end of the day, it’s a good job by Delmon Young coming to Philly, keeping his nose clean,. Not only that, but ome night assume his manager here still has some distant interfaces with Japanese baseball, and might even help make an effective introduction.

    He did the right thing coming to the Phils, because he lined up a pretty decent commitment to play, and chances are decent he does fairly to pretty well in Japan for respectable sums of yen. Fair chance 3-4 years from now he cranks some discussion in the bigs after posting some pretty good Japanese numbers. Actually, Japanese numbers are the same as American. They just employ symbols that look like they take a couple minutes to scratch out.

  4. schmenkman

    August 14, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    “had nearly an identical season to that of which he had last season in terms of wOBA and wRC+”

    It was actually his 3rd straight nearly identical season with the bat:

    2011: .268/.302/.393 – .304 wOBA, 87 wRC+
    2012: .267/.296/.411 – .305 wOBA, 89 wRC+
    2013: .261/.302/.397 – .307 wOBA, 93 wRC+

  5. Ken Bland

    August 14, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Looks like year to date, the Phils did indeed make a huge mistake inking Delmon over Nick Swisher. Barely different slug P-C-T-s, OPS is not night and day, and to date, Nic’s PPD, as in perduction per dollar reminds of Tom Tresh when his career was falling apart. But remember, sports fans, if it don’t work out, it’s Rube’s fault. Whether the dud plays for the Phils, or elsewhere, it’s Rub’e fault. Doncha NEVER, EVER blame the player.

    Swish might, should be okay later in the contract, but if he wore a Phillies uni, he’d get lynched around this time. Oh, that’s right, NEVER, EVER blame the player.

    .393 slug. It’s Bobby Gene Smith reincarnation time.

    • schmenkman

      August 14, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      Also, if they had signed Swisher, they would have forfeited JP Crawford.

      • Hogey's Role

        August 14, 2013 at 8:50 pm

        Yeah which I’m glad they didn’t sign swisher and kept their first round pick… that was a very wise choice by amaro.. so kudos to him…

        Delmon was a terrible sign but he probably did it because that was basically all there was left…

      • hk

        August 15, 2013 at 7:08 am


        joecatz used the, “at least he didn’t sign Swisher” comment when discussing the Michael Young trade on a thread on another website. Isn’t it amazing that the best thing we can say about most of the GM’s moves last off-season is at least he didn’t make an even worse move?

        The reasons that Delmon was basically all that was left are (1) that they gave away Nate Schierholtz, who was in line for less money than they paid Delmon and (2) they had this misguided view that they had to have a RHB as a regular OF despite the fact that > 70% of the PA’s are vs. RHP’s.

        They never had a need for Swisher if they would have just realized that a Schierholtz / Mayberry platoon in RF projected to produce results comparable to what Swisher projected to produce, but for 20% of the price and without giving up the 1st round draft choice.

      • Hogey's Role

        August 15, 2013 at 9:52 am

        that’s very true hk I think that Mayberry/schierholtz platoon would have produced as well or better than young did or perhaps swisher would have…

        There are a few options on the free agent market that will be interesting to watch but Idk… and if we keep sucking this year our first pick could be in the top ten and be protected, which i’m all for, so maybe there will be some decent options that we will consider

  6. Rob h

    August 15, 2013 at 3:00 am

    The signing itself wasn’t that horrible, there was a chance he could play like he did in the alcs. They just kept him around too long. Who knows maybe this benefits ruf next year so pitchers didn’t have a whole year to learn to pitch to him.

  7. quadratic

    August 15, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    You mentioned Caspar Wells in passing, but you didn’t bother to cite any of your fancy statistics to show that he is any better than Delmon Young, or even that he belongs in the major leagues. The assertion that Delmon “managed to be even more detrimental to his team in 2013” doesn’t make a lot of sense, since he was not at all detrimental to his team in 2012, in fact he was the MVP of the 2012 ALCS. He could sign with an American League Team and become a decent DH. Also (Hogey) from where did the idea come that the reason for not re-signing Schierholtz is because he bats left-handed? He didn’t hit very well in his brief stint with the Phils. Just one of many players who has improved after leaving Philadelphia, including Schierholtz , Ibanez, Qualls, Dobbs, Barajas, Victorino, Punto (and soon others will be added).


    • Hogey's Role

      August 15, 2013 at 10:38 pm

      Where did I say that’s why he was non tendered because he was lefty…

    • schmenkman

      August 15, 2013 at 11:07 pm

      If you follow the link that Ian provided, you will see all the “fancy statistics” on DY. For example, you will see wRC+, which shows he’s been a below average hitter in each of the last three years (87, 89, and 93, where 100=league average). You will also see his fielding and baserunning presented in terms of runs better or worse than average. Combining his hitting, fielding, and baserunning, he was -1.0 win worse than a replacement level (i.e. AAAA) player this year, and 0.9 worse than replacement in the regular season last year. That’s what is meant by “detrimental to his team”, i.e. he was worse than even a typical AAAA player that any team should easily find either in its own system or on the market.

      Yes, Delmon won the ALCS by playing well in three games — he should be commended for that, and he was.

      But I question whether he would be a “decent DH” for an AL team. Players whose only job is to hit, and are below average at that one job (as well as in baserunning) don’t make for good DHs.

      As for Wells, his stats tell us he’s at least as good a hitter as Young (even though he’s struggled this year in a small sample), and that he’s a much fielder. So yes — Wells is better at baseball than Young, admittedly a low bar. Wells’ fangraphs page:

      • schmenkman

        August 15, 2013 at 11:11 pm

        *and that he’s a much _better_ fielder.

  8. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Despite all the 1 way criticism of Del Young, of which I might add a affair amount is just (opinion), it appears that the Rays might have an interest in signing him. Actually, the report’s a little more suggestive of that, but reports are reports, are reports.

    Now of course, the Tampa club plays by different rules than the Phils with a DH, but while some of oung’s game was pretty bashable, we’re talking Andrew Freeman and Joe Maddon in charge here, and they easily come across as 2 of the better minds in the industry.

    If Tampa is indeed interested, I’ll take it as a sign that the extremem bashing of young is to a fair extent hot wind by foolish fans.

    Now if you want somebody to pick on that doesn’t inspire such commentary, Rube just recalled BJ Rosenberg. JUST the other day, I was thinking how miserable a Phils H2 in particular it’s been, and they didn’t even need BJ to get this bad.. Maybe BJ’s better prepared to contribute than previously. And maybe there’s good reason Cloyd didn’t get the call. We’ll see. But it looks like the kinda call you don’t jump up and down with excitement as a reaction.

    • George

      August 16, 2013 at 12:57 pm

      My opinion here is that the Rays are interested simply because Young is a right handed bat which they have a shortage of. I’m also thinking they see him precisely as being what he is: an average hitter who can’t field, unlike Amaro, who thought he might develop into an everyday right fielder. (I’m not criticizing Amaro here because D. came relatively cheaply, no one was ready in the farm system, and Young may have turned out to be worth the gamble).

      Also for the Rays, Young will be extremely cheap. If their interest was really strong, they’d have made a waiver claim.

      Friedman and his buddies are very good, but a team like the Rays still needs a marginal player or two. They need an inexpensive player mostly.

      Young, even with his shortcomings, still might be a better option than promoting a not-quite-ready minopr leaguer or signing a DFAed player who bats .210. I’d bet dollars to donuts that that’s all the Rays are looking for; they’re not hoping for Delmon to be that miracle pick-up who carries them into the postseason.

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