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2013 Gameday

Gameday: Braves (85-54) vs. Phillies (63-77)

bmgndhhvp8d9dllfh3vnf8g5uAtlanta Braves (85-54) vs. Philadelphia Phillies (63-77) 

Cliff Lee (11-6, 3.09) vs Mike Minor (13-5, 3.08)

Time: 7:05 ET, Citizens Bank Park
Comcast SportsNet
Weather: 72, clear
Media: Twitter and Facebook

With 84 wins, the Atlanta Braves have the best record in baseball.  First place is safe for the Braves, as they have a significant 14-game lead over the Washington Nationals.  Their magic number to clinch the National League East is set at ten, which is the lowest in the majors.  Atlanta is getting ready for a postseason push, but first they have seven games left against Philadelphia.

September Phillies baseball might not be as meaningful as it has been in recent years, but it gives us a chance to see what the younger players can bring.  Fans also get to enjoy Cliff Lee, as he rarely disappoints.  Lee hit a little bit of a rough patch in the middle of the summer, but he has improved over his last five starts, posting a 2.91 ERA.

(Stats as of 2:00 PM Thursday)

Go Phillies!



  1. Ken Bland

    September 6, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Well, Ethan Martin has been assigned to the bullpen.

    Nice location.

    Dick Farrell once made his home there.

    It wasn’t the pen transfer that was funny.

    It was the comparisons to Martin’s less than scintillating results that were pretty funny.

    Halladay told the guy how bad a pitcher he was late in his career. I need a new proofreader. Halladay said early. And Dubee told Martin about Glavine and Maddux’s early times against big league hitters.

    So lemme get this straight. Halladay, Maddux, Glavine and Martin.

    Nice rotation. But so was Halladay, Lee , Hamels and 2 clowns, once upon a time.

  2. Ken Bland

    September 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    2 is the Braves magic number to clinch home field, so there’s a decent chance that when these 2 teams meet for the last 3, there’s meaning for a portion of the season. They have this playoff system so dressed up. One game play in, win your division by 6,000 games, and have meaningful games to the end. Pretty weird.

  3. Hogey's Role

    September 6, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Can we start Rupp already??

  4. Ken Bland

    September 6, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I guess you could say that quite often TV doesn’t do baseball (or any sport) justice because you miss a lot away from the play. Tonight, thanks to Sarge, a play took place that he called to the audience’s attention that went way over everyone’s head.

    The reaction to that play, from Many Housenick was this….

    Rollins thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double. He was hustling. Didn’t work out this time.

    Not even close.

    You can already see the way this game is going. Lee pitched great, got no support, la dee da dee da.

    Well, if 1 of his teammates would have hustled on the given play, the game might have been quite a bit different.

    Jimmy customarily pooped a fly to right in the 4th that you could tell Justin Upton was going to have a hard time getting to. Not an impossible time, but the kind of play a lot of big leaguers run out. Jimmy half hustled, but when he saw Upton not get it, he decided in his sometimes inimitable Basepaths fashion to turn it on, and get thrown out at 2nd. Pete Rose is standing on 2nd with a double. Jimmy looks like he’s hustling, but Sarge uses the replay to point out he only hustled part of the play.

    Ryne Sandberg, old schooler that he is, doesn’t have the advantage of a replay, so he goes out to defend his player, although it was pretty clear Jimmy was out. Leo Durocher would have gone out to 2nd with a different purpose. It’s called ass kick mode, and not toward the umpire.

    Jimmy on 2nd, with 1 out brings up Utley and Ruiz with a man on second, and nobody out. Instead, the Phils continue to taril by 1 as Kimbrel time gets closer.

    Thanks for the support, Jimmy.

    I wonder what his thinking was in this instance that he chose to add to his plays he doesn’t bust it on because it’s a long season. Too bad Utley or Ashe didn’t hit that ball. Or a few others.

    Just a disgusting play.

    • Ken Bland

      September 6, 2013 at 8:43 pm

      would have been 0 out, not 1 out. Basepaths failed stretch was the first out of the inning.

    • schmenkman

      September 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm

      Pete Rose doesn’t play any more.

      The majority of players today would have done exactly what Rollins did, IMO. But Rollins is the one who is called on it and chastised. So it goes.

    • Ryne Duren

      September 6, 2013 at 10:06 pm

      I’d try to dump him this off season. I’m so sick of the Jim Me show.

      • schmenkman

        September 6, 2013 at 10:12 pm

        If that’s a reason for dumping someone, it will be tough to find 25 players.

      • wbramh

        September 7, 2013 at 2:16 am

        I’m convinced you could find enough young talent in the World who wouldn’t mind being instant skillionaires and would gladly fill that 25-man roster – maybe even run out a ground ball or two even though they’re set for life.

        I know it’s a worn old saw, but for me it really is how you play the game. Otherwise, why be a baseball fan during those inevitable lean years between World Championships (like the first 97).

        Yes, Jimmy was and still is an exciting player with special skills. He’s showed us magic in the field and at bat unmatched by any other SS in the Phillies long history. Not running out ground balls really does diminish him, especially since his ability to get on base no longer comes so easy.

        Pete Rose was never Ty Cobb but he put himself in that rarified air with sheer hustle and grit above and beyond his great natural talent (add to that some of Cobb’s personal demons). It would be hard to compile exact statistics but I can’t tell you how many times I personally watched Rose beat out “routine” grounders because he was motoring to first while an infielder was overconfidently double-clutching, or knew Rose was hustling and consequently, threw the ball away.

        I know there are plenty of players in the league besides Jimmy who have dogged it it to first; some are stars. I don’t find the poor example of others a bona fide excuse for mimicry.

        I know I’m preaching to the choir when I tell you how important those positive intangibles are in every player.

      • schmenkman

        September 7, 2013 at 4:46 am

        I appreciate the well stated response.

        However Rollins’ reaction on that particular play is in no way unusual, and in fact he may be one of the few who would have made that play close at second.

        He hustles on the field, he hustles on the bases, he works hard to keep himself in shape and healthy. The fact that he doesn’t run out some (perhaps many) balls that look like sure outs when it makes zero difference the vast majority of the time, is not an attractive trait, and it would be more satisfying as a fan if he ran every one of them out. But to me it’s an issue of style rather than substance, and it’s not something I put a lot of importance in. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

      • Lefty

        September 7, 2013 at 8:30 am

        Just one thing to add, unlikely as it is that anyone will see a morning comment in a gameday from last night.-

        How many games has Jimmy been on the disabled list this year? How many last year? How many games did James play this year? How many last year?

        His skills are obviously eroding some, no athlete escapes father time, but I agree with Schmenkman that Jimmy must be working hard to keep himself in shape. Maybe he gets a little lucky too, but he still plays every day, something that can’t be said about most Phillies players. If the cost for that is an aging player not running out every ball, IMO- it’s worth it.

        You have to ask yourself what is more valuable to the team-
        A shortstop (almost all consider the most important position on the field) that plays every day vs. a shortstop that might beat out one or two errant throws a season. 156 games, or one or two reaches on errors. I have to go with the 156.

        I almost can’t believe I’m making this argument, I love players that hustle, it was the only way you got to play at all -on my teams. But they were kids, late teens and early 20’s. I can say this, living in Baltimore and having seen Cal Ripken up close, I know that in his later years, he knew the difference between a realistic chance to beat a ball out and an unrealistic one.

      • hk

        September 7, 2013 at 9:51 am

        Further to your point Lefty, I have often wondered over the past few years whether Utley’s balls-out style caused his knee problems. There’s no way of knowing of course…

      • hk

        September 7, 2013 at 9:52 am

        I probably should have said exacerbated or expedited instead of caused in regards to Utley’s hustle and his knee condition.

      • Lefty

        September 7, 2013 at 10:56 am

        I guess it’s possible hk, all players are different. Some guys play hard and never develop knee and hip issues like Utley did. Why? Who knows, we’re all different, we all age differently.

        Check the games played column below, especially in his thirties, it’s staggering.

  5. Ken Bland

    September 6, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Okay, I’ll bite. I’m that impressed.

    But I’m glad they waited.

    But if Asche headed north out of the gate, how different is this year?

    I have to believe the extra half year experience helped him, but that is so esy to fall back on.

    Gonna be crushed if he’s playing over his head. Poise and composure. Plus.

  6. Ken Bland

    September 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    We’ll go top 9 while the BoSox and Empire ;labor along T6.

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