Gameday: Phillies (68-79) at Nationals (78-69) – Phillies Nation
2013 Gameday

Gameday: Phillies (68-79) at Nationals (78-69)

Philadelphia Phillies (68-79) vs. Washington Nationals (78-69)

Cole Hamels (7-13, 3.45) vs. Gio Gonzalez (10-6, 3.31)

Time: 7:05 ET, Nationals Park
Weather: Partly cloudy, 70′s
Media: Twitter and Facebook

It was already a foregone conclusion, but the Phillies were officially eliminated from playoff contention today when the Reds won. Obviously, that means nothing, because this team has been expecting elimination since shortly after the All Star Break.

Cole Hamels will get the ball tonight for the Phillies, and Gio Gonzalez will start for the Nats.

Lineup: Hernandez CF, Rollins SS, Utley 2B, Ruiz C, Ruf 1B, Asche 3B, Galvis LF, Mayberry RF, Hamels P

download (2)Gameday Beer: Orval Trappist Ale

I’ve said it before, monks know how to brew beers and this Belgian Pale Ale is no exception. First it hits you with a apple/pear scent then a complex taste of citrus, caramel, and earthy yeast – all in a creamy buttery consistency. Wow. I hear it goes well with Thai food, but this is certainly one you can drink alone. – By Brian



  1. Ken Bland

    September 14, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I have a hard time envisioning Cole straightening this thing out tonight.

    His first 2 innings were pretty blasé. He’s not shrp, he’s not fooling anyone (have the Nats swung and missed at all? I don’t know, but it’s not much, and even if they aren’t ropes, he’s giving up solid contact.

    He’s not pitching poorly, but he’s at least kinda struggling.

    It feels like the sort of game where if he had a lead, maybe it would be a little easier, but he’s fighting an extra challenge being down 1 with his offense facing Gio.

    Let’s call it a little bleak, but hardly impossible.

  2. Vinnie

    September 14, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Chooch! Bases loaded Double. Earlier in the year, I was thinking they should let him walk after the season. Now, I think they have to keep him.

  3. bacardipr

    September 15, 2013 at 4:59 am

    Ive always said they should resign Chooch. Other options would include a injury and sure to fetch high price McCann. A combo of Kratz/Rupp maybe Navaro. I still think Chooch has another good year left in him. He will probably fetch a 2 year deal. Valle has regressed, Joseph has a concussion and until recently Rupp wasnt much of a factor.

  4. bacardipr

    September 15, 2013 at 5:00 am

    His suspension coupled with the injury he never got a chance to get going till about 6 weeks ago.

  5. Ken Bland

    September 15, 2013 at 9:56 am

    One of the often fun things about baseball is the way it lures people into debates. No doubt coinciding with the growth over the years of sabermetrics is pitchers wins, a staple in the game since before Doubleday (or whoever) invented it.

    This really isn’t a comment on the positive of pitchers getting wins as much as how 5 starter rotations have killed a fun thing, but it does speak to a way in which they are a fabric of the game, or at least to one fan who dates back to when things were different.

    Today, the Phils face Jordan Zimmerman. He’s had a net nice season, realizing an awful lot of potential at times, subject to midseason physical challenges at others. Zimmerman will take the hill with 17 wins at day’s start. That’s a good season, and in his case, that label of good matches up with his overall quality, even if that makes his W total redundant.

    Zimmerman is talented, and as a result, a potentially VERY expensive commodity at some point. Not that his current 5 million dollar paycheck is cheap, but think Bachman-Turner Overdrive, and altogether now, “You ain’t Seen Nothin’ Yet.” So the evolution to 5 pitchers, at least in theory, makes sense to protect arms like his.

    But back in the pre-internet days, while daily boxscores were worthy of study, there was a thrill to be had in scanning the sport wide numbers of all players when YTD numbers made their weekly appearance. And it was part of the fun to check out the W column to project how many guys would touch the 20 mark. I don’t recall the year, but I can remember in my lifetime when wins were already down from as recently as the 30’s and 40’s, guesses as high as 8-9 guys might do it.

    Now, particularly with all the bad talk about wins, and leaguewide individual stats just fading in importance and interest, you might occasionally check (at most). If this Sunday is an example of such a scope, you find Zim, at 17 as the only NLer with even a shot. Adam Wainwright, hardly likely to be overused as the Cards are in playoff prep mode is not even a contender at 16.

    Max Scherzer, who took all the mystery out of his quest for 20 a long time ago never made it to the fun discussion of could he duplicate Smoltz’s most recent high win total of 24, let alone McClain’s infamous 31 EVEN if his peripherals stood up to McClain like an ant to an elephant.

    You keep searching for new and better ways to enjoy the game. There are 20,000 of them. But there was something kinda unique, kinda special about looking at the W’s, and seeing who had a shot at the coveted 20 mark. Those days are “long gone” as the southern drawl in the Tigers broadcast booth used to say. Even today’s standards, WHATEVER they might be might go to Field of Dreams as we at least seem closer to 6 man rotations, before 4. I miss the fun of tracking 20. In that regard, I don’t mind pitcher’s wins taking a brutal bath in baseball discussions, but I’m glad we still have them, and at least we have a fraction of a chance to see who can hit the big 2-OH. We’ll probably have a female commish before wins are TOTALLY disregarded, and I’m glad. It’s fine to devalue them, but eliminate them? They still serve a fun purpose, and even some extent of practicality, even if it’s certainly wise to devalue them..

    • Lefty

      September 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      If you think that any love is good lovin, then you took what you could get- b-b-baby.

      I remember the old days doing just what you describe, guessing who would make it that season. A few seasons ago I was hoping Doc would make it, and he did. But, like you I recognize that the importance of a win has waned as the clubs went to pitch counts, and 5 man rotations. IMO- If a pitcher isn’t going to complete in the range of 12-15 starts a season, wins are meaningless. When they hand the ball over to a set up man, the ball and the win is just completely out of their hands.

      • Ken Bland

        September 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

        You mentioned Halladay, and we’re talking starter’s “limitations” in this dialogue, so I’ll mention this.

        I find myself entertained when people attempt to explain his shoulder woes, and the past 2 seasons. Frequently, you’ll hear about his age, and “all the pitches he’s thrown”.

        The age thing I don’t have major fault with, although assuming he’s in good health and condition, which might be assumptive, 35 seems a little young to start losing it (I think he was 35 at the start of last year.

        But the number of pitches? People used to have orgasms over his throwing like 8 complete games a year, which, considering his economic approach when he was good wasn’t all that much. Especially since he was conditioned to go 9. But he’d lead the league in innings, and at the same time, be right up there in fewest pitches thrown.

        And where does this all these pitches come from, anyway. Guys up until maybe a little over 20 years ago would look at240 innings, and think they were just gettin’ started.

        Hell, from age 24 on, ANY pitcher is defying the simple fact tha pitching is a violation of arm care and health And while I remember clear as day people yelling for Charlie’s head because he overworked Doc, I never thought he pressed it enough to warrant the criticism.

        This may qualify as the stupid thought of the year, but I never heard of this arm slot thing until maybe a few years ago. Why’s he need to change it. I gues there’s a logical explanation for it, or he wouldn’t be working so hard at it. But if the shoulder’s rebuilt, which I assume is the case, why doesn’t he go back to rematching his mechanics when he was The Man. Altering it pre surgery, I could see. But why’s he still have to do it. now.

        Sign me,

        Gropimg for answers

    • George

      September 16, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      From what I’ve read about Halladay’s “arm slot,” he did alter it somewhat before the surgery, and now he needs to try to gat back to how he was throwing before the shoulder problems took over. Once a habit is in place it’s not easy to just go back to something a person hasn’t done for two years. I’m sure he’s working at it, but even though his shoulder is rebuilt, or reconditioned, I doubt if it’s the same as it was in his prime, which probably makes his work getting that former motion right even tougher.

  6. Ken Bland

    September 15, 2013 at 10:24 am

    In line with hints from Sanberg yesterday, Dom Brown returns to the lineup today. Roger Bernadina and Erik Kratz are also there, and Galvis sits, but hen the Phils come home, they will finally have a chance to put what might be their best lineup of the year. It’d be close, perhaps excepted by the ongoing Ryan Howard absence.

    I figure the potential alliance of

    3B Asche

    SS Galvis

    2b Utley

    1B Fransden

    LF Brown

    CF Hernandez

    RF Ruf

    would earn that “honor.” But don’t take my word for it. I’m the same guy that responded to a list of potential 2012 free agents by expressing the opinion that I wasn’t anxious to get a top 50 guy as much as cutting under that and inking Chone Giggins and Andruw Jones. That was actually a brilliant idea if you were impressed that Jones hit51 shots one year, and Figgins once hit some high number for an average that exceeds my counting ability.

    • Ken Bland

      September 15, 2013 at 10:26 am

      C What a name to forget.

  7. Joey Spagna

    September 15, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    It’s puts the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose again.

  8. Bob D

    September 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    I guess with Clyod pitching there was no need to have a Gameday preview. Its just a matter of who gets more points, the Phils opponent or the Eagles opponent.

  9. Brooks

    September 16, 2013 at 5:46 am

    2 more games – I’m done

  10. Andrew

    September 16, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Our old friend Hunter Pence is now a legend out in San Francisco:

    “The question isn’t whether the Giants will sign Hunter Pence.

    It’s how much, and for how long.

    Forget “one more day.” How about five more years? Or six? No matter the cost, how could the Giants possibly afford to let their earnest right fielder with the scoopy on-deck swing and the bird legs and the frenetic energy and an RBI total that beeps when it backs up, slip away as a free agent?”

    • frank

      September 16, 2013 at 1:25 pm

      I totally agree Andrew. Pence loves playing for the giants. I think he’ll take a lot less money to stay there.

  11. Ken Bland

    September 16, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    MLB announced the nominees for the Roberto Clemente award today. Each club selects it’s own nominee, and then a panel votes who the winner is. Fans and media represent the voting constituency. Contribution to the team, sportsmanship, and community involvement are said to be determining factors.

    This year’s nominee, and I THINK this is worthy of tribute in and of itself, is Chase. I’m not sure how the club comes up with it’s nomination, hence the would be italicized THINK.. Jimmy Rollins was the nominee last year, Ryan Howard in 2011, Shane was the nominee in 2010. . Only 2 players have copped the first place honor while wearing Phillie uniforms. Luzinski and Maddox. One time Phils who actually won the award include Jamie Moyer, Pete Rose, Curt Schilling, Dave Stewart, and Jim Thome.

    Congrats to Chase for what seems a terrific honor.

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