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Lee to Retire After 2016, Kendrick Back for 2014

Some interesting notes flying around early this morning. First, Matt Gelb is reporting that Cliff Lee believes he will retire after the 2016 season. Lee is signed through the 2015 season with the Phillies, with a club option for 2016.

I’m financially able to shut it down, so… that’s how I feel right now,” Lee says. “But when the time comes I might look at it differently.”

Second, Todd Zolecki of MLB.com quoted Ruben Amaro Jr. saying the Phillies will tender Kyle Kendrick a contract for 2014. After a very strong start to 2013 (3.68 ERA in 124 first-half IP, .256 BAA), the wheels came off for Kendrick through the second half of 2013 (6.91 ERA in 57.1 second-half IP, .321 BAA). This means the Phillies likely have four out of five rotation spots filled for 2014 between Cole Hamels, Lee, Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez, and Kendrick.

Finally, there is mutual interest in Chooch returning to the Phillies in 2014. Zolecki suggests Chooch would like to return but may test the open market if a deal isn’t completed by the World Series.

16 Comments

16 Comments

  1. john

    September 29, 2013 at 10:36 am

    after the comments lee made this week, i get the feeling he may ask for a trade. can’t say i blame him. i hope thats not the case, he is such a pro.

    • George

      September 29, 2013 at 11:45 am

      If Lee demanded a trade from any team, that team’s GM would get fleeced. When others know a player wants out, they always give as little as possible to obtain him, and when said player has a very expensive contract, there’s very lttle competition for his services.

  2. bacardipr

    September 29, 2013 at 11:22 am

    RAJ will probably get fleeced if other clubs suspects Lee wants out. if a trade is attempted Ticket sales will also be affected as well. My guess he’ll stick around for this upcoming season.

  3. Lefty

    September 29, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I’m not surprised about Kendrick, and while it’s true he’s a mediocre pitcher at best, sometimes the right move is to go with the devil you know.

    I think there is a good chance Lee will be traded at next season’s deadline if things are not going well with the Phils. IMO- He hasn’t demanded anything, he just said what any fierce competitor would say- he’s in it to win it. Isn’t that what we all want out of our players?

  4. Bob D

    September 29, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Keeping Kendrick is a good move for now. If they can’t upgrade his spot they have at least a decent SP. If they can bring in 2 other starters to compete, then may he pitch his way into the rotation. He also could be trade bait, return to bullpen where he was productive, or be cut later on.

    I suspect Rube will ask around for a trade for a SP, maybe go after on of the top FA pitchers (Garza/Sanatana) and possibly bring in Josh Johnson or Roy Halladay back. If he can bring in 6-7 major league starters for next year and also have the likes of Pettibone and Martin compete with them it would be good. But one of these guys needs to be a top starter. Johnson is similar to Halladay as the last 2 years have not gone well and injuries but before that they were both top pitchers. Johnson is younger and the chances of him rebounding is much greater. Halladay despite everyone saying he is done has a work ethic and training regiment that could prove all the naysayers wrong. I hope he does! But the key is to bring in competition so Gonzalez, Halladay/Johnson, Kendrick, Pettibone, or any other is not handed a spot but has to compete. If they need to stash someone in AAA or extended spring training rehab assignment or flat out release them then do so.

  5. Dave

    September 29, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    When you have lost almost 90 games, why would you bring back essentially the same team for next year?

    • George

      September 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm

      I’d give the front office more time before declaring that they’re bringing back “essentially the same team.” For one thing, this team has changed quite a lot during this season with injuries and such.

      There are still spots open on the pitching staff and no one on the infield and outfield corners is a lock. with the possible exception of Brown. A lot can, and probably will, change over the winter. It’s even possible some players are traded between now and 2014.

      One small thing: my response earlier about a Lee trade was not intended to be to john’s comment, but to bacardipr’s. I didn’t click to respond there, so it must have been some kind of website glitch. I also don’t believe hLee is asking to be traded any time soon just because he might retire after 2016. That’s another one I’d give more time to let develop.

    • joycedaffodil

      September 30, 2013 at 8:27 am

      This comment deserves a GOLD STAR, why assemble the same crew. I love Jimmy Pop Up that there is a new window opening, my concern is that he won’t choose to jump out of it. What a sad, sad season, While there are missing pieces there is essentially 8-9 of the old crew. The rest of the roster is in and out folks. Loved the article last night about Ryan Howard, he’s hoping to come back next year, but what happened the last two years is likely to happen again.

      I don’t get that Lee wants to trade, he said he wants to play for a winner, then he should run, not walk to the stadium exit and find another team. Chooch, while we will miss him, should go to the open market. We still watch Victorino, Raul and Jason W and follow their stats. There will be no trips to the stadium this next couple of years.

  6. Bart Shart

    September 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    The Phillies will absolutely STINK next year — back to the PHillies of the sixties— putrid boring baseball. I will not renew my season ticket package. No way.

    Cliff Lee should ask to be traded. The Phils could pay some of his salary and we might get some respectable young talent. Lee’s talent will be wated here in Philly, just as Jim Bunning’s talent was wasted in the 60’s by the pathetic Phillies.

    The halcyon days are over.

  7. bacardipr

    September 29, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Pretty much George on your Lee comment. As far as lock in Rollins, Utley and Howard are basically locked in. Especially Utley and Howard. Ruiz will probably be back simply because there arent many options there unless they want to get into a bidding war for McCann.

    • George

      September 29, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      Even with Ruiz, that’s still only four out of twenty-five. Throw in other likely “locks,” Papelbon, Lee, and Hamels, and you’re up to seven. Revere would make eight, but I’d suspect even he and possibly Brown might be offered up as trade bait. I just don’t see where seven or eight whole players out of twenty-five is “essentially the same team.” Adams is under contract but his return from shoulder problems is as questionable as Halladay’s, and there will have to be a fallback available if he sits out his contract. Third base won’t be the same because M.Young won’t be there for more than half the season, and right field won’t have the other Young messing up out there. Just because a player like Kendrick will be offered a contract doesn’t mean he’ll make the final cut if someone else is better.

      2014 will not be the same team if only because so many players who started this season, like the Youngs, Nix, Quintero, and Durbin, are already long gone.

      • George

        September 29, 2013 at 5:45 pm

        I might also point out that the pitching staff for 2014 is already different because M. Gonzalez was added.

  8. Andrew From Waldorf

    September 29, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    I just lost a season long better record bet to the NY METS

    Yes those Mets.

    Until Amaro is fired Im done

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  9. jobangone

    September 29, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Yes, this season was a disaster but next season could be worse! Viewing the box score and seeing those BAs puts me in mind of the late 50s. This team is in dire need of a farm system and major league scouts!

  10. Genghis-Khan

    September 29, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Why in the world would we bring Kendrick back? Are we really going to give a career 94 ERA+ pitcher 7 or 8 mil? This is the sort of waste of money that turns one of the highest payrolls in baseball into a 90 loss team. They could get similar production from a much cheaper player. Or alternatively they could get a much better pitcher for just a few million more.

    This is insane.

  11. scheffydog

    October 1, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Until Amaro is gone we will continue to go in the same direction…… down

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