Report: Phillies “Deep in Serious Talks” for Bautista – Phillies Nation

Report: Phillies “Deep in Serious Talks” for Bautista

Update, 8:25 am: Shi Davidi from Sportsnet Canada tweeted this:


Is this real life? Is this even real?

A tweet from the verified account of WIP/Fox 29 personality Howard Eskin promised news on Fox 29 of a big trade brewing involving the Phillies. Sure enough, as promised, after the broadcast he tweeted of a potential trade that would send Domonic Brown and others for Jose Bautistajust hours after the Phillies signed fellow 30-something outfielder Marlon Byrd.


Bautista, 33, is a four-time AL All-Star with the Blue Jays, hitting .268/.390/.570 with 152 homers. Bautista makes a reasonable $14 million in each of 2014 and 2015 and has a team option at $14 million for 2016. From 2010-2013, Bautista ranks second in MLB in slugging, eighth in OBP, and third in OPS in that time frame.

We will keep an eye on this one for you through the night so be sure to check back for the latest updates.

On a bit of a humorous note, Eskin spelled Bautista’s name incorrectly twice. If the Phillies traded for “Jose Batista”, they’d be trading the Pirates for a 17-year old pitcher.



  1. Hogey's Role

    November 12, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    Bautista has been injured each of the last two years… I definitely would not trade brown for him…

    If your gonna trade brown try to land a kemp Stanton or cespedes someone with power who is still young, like still under 30

    • Jaron B

      November 13, 2013 at 8:30 am

      While Bautista would certainly be beneficial with his right-handedness, the injury history, age compared to Brown, and declining HR totals should be a red flag. I like that Rube is thinking outside the box with the OF, but I must say that taking away a 27-YO OF after a break-out year for a 30-YO OF with recent injury history is not an ideal trade.

      As far as Kemp is concerned, his contract and injuries also raise red flags.

      Stanton would be a stretch as well given that the Phillies will need to trade sub-30-YO, ML-ready players o get him, especially since at least a few other teams probably have the players to make better offers.

      In short, Hogey’s Role, I agree that the Phils need to trade for someone under 30, but Stanton might not work out & Kemp also has issues himself.

  2. Mike

    November 12, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Hot stove is just beginning and I’m already getting pissed off. Brown has a decent season and quiets a lot of the negativity and you want to trade him for a injury prone, 33 YEAR OLD Bautista?

    Hogey, Stanton isn’t going anywhere, but Cespedes would be a nice fit.

  3. Brian

    November 12, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Oh no…

  4. Nick

    November 13, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Unless this deal includes Howard, papelbon, or Rollins, I can’t agree with it.
    Really hoping that plus others isn’t asche, Franco, Morgan, revere, or ruf.

  5. Trav

    November 13, 2013 at 12:24 am

    No way just keep Btown he young and thus team needs youth ….. So done with Ruben

  6. Joey

    November 13, 2013 at 12:36 am

    No no no no no. To steal a quote from “Brown is the only player on the team that is both young and productive”. “Swapping out Brown for Bautista would make the Phillies older and take away basically any semblance of a future this team has. It is also debateable if it even makes them better now, as Brown had just one less home run than Bautista last season and 10 more RBIs.”

    • Phillips Fan from Germany

      November 13, 2013 at 1:23 am

      There is nö question that Bautista is a better Player right now than Brown, behause of a large Gap in Defensive ability (2013 4.5 WAR vs. 1.5 WAR). However, this Trade Would of Course Need Detailed Analysis because of the difference in Salary and Age.

    • Danny

      November 14, 2013 at 1:25 am

      I don’t your last point because last season, Bautista played 118 games while Brown played 139. If Bautista played the same amount of games that Brown did, he definitely would’ve produced WAY MORE than Brown.

  7. Andrew from Waldorf

    November 13, 2013 at 1:21 am

    Didn’t the old man beat up Eskin?

    He is however more qualified to GM the team then Rubin.

    Is there anyone less qualified to GM than Ruben?

    Even if someone tried to sabotage the team since 2008 you could not out do Ruben.

    He does more damage than intentional saboteur.

    Its sad but this is our GM.

    Go Ruben!

  8. joshtk

    November 13, 2013 at 1:39 am

    To me brown is a guy you either keep or trade for a couple higher ranked prospects not an injury prone 33 year old who has overrated defense

  9. rjb

    November 13, 2013 at 5:20 am

    Batista is far better than brown and will bring u a world series in 2014

    • wbramh

      November 13, 2013 at 11:25 am

      “Batista is far better than brown and will bring u a world series in 2014”

      Only if the Cardinals switch their series home games to CBP.

  10. hk

    November 13, 2013 at 6:11 am

    I don’t understand why a team coming off a 73 win season (with a Pythagorean record of 66-96) would make a trade for the short-term at the expense of the long-term (unless the team plans to go all out in the short-term). However, I do understand why a GM coming off a 73 win season would make such a trade.

  11. lefty

    November 13, 2013 at 6:13 am

    I think the impending TV contract is driving the FO to make insane moves. It seems they’d sell their souls to make the blue patches of seats go away, and r o get the best TV deal possible by staying in win now mode. IMO-Both this and the Byrd move are the exact opposite of what they should be doingas stewards of both the present and future of this ballclub. Money rules the world..

    • lefty

      November 13, 2013 at 6:17 am

      Dang phone. Sorry for all the misspellings.

    • hk

      November 13, 2013 at 6:44 am


      I don’t understand the Byrd signing if they were also planning to trade Brown for Bautista. If this trade happens, I would have much rather seen them sign Ellsbury instead of Byrd, make a huge bid for Tanaka, re-sign Chooch and strengthen the bullpen.

      • lefty

        November 13, 2013 at 3:03 pm

        I don’t understand the Byrd signing – period. 2 years to this guy at his age, seriously? Its like Ibanez or Polanco all over again. He’ll play 80-90 games per- if they’re lucky. Either Ellsbury or Choo would have been fine with me. Lets face it this is a team starved for high OBP guys. Power is always welcome but not if if your a team that can go a whole series without taking a single walk. You need more than power to put up crooked numbers. A n d even tI like your Tanaka suggestion as wel

      • lefty

        November 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm

        hk, I don’t understand the Byrd signing – period. 2 years to this guy at his age, seriously? Its like Ibanez or Polanco all over again. He’ll play 80-90 games per- if they’re lucky. Either Ellsbury or Choo would have been fine with me. Lets face it this is a team starved for high OBP guys. Power is always welcome but not if if your a team that can go a whole series without taking a single walk. You need more than power to put up crooked numbers, you need basrunners IMO. As far as Tanaka, I read where some GM’s are expressing some health concerns. Did you see that and what do you think about it-valid or no?

      • hk

        November 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm


        I have not seen any concerns about Tanaka’s health, but I would take them with a grain of salt even if I did. With the posting system, it behooves teams to create doubt in the minds of the other teams that might be considering making a bid.

      • Lefty

        November 13, 2013 at 5:48 pm

        hk, agreed it would keep the bidding down, but here it is anyway-

    • wbramh

      November 13, 2013 at 10:01 am

      Lefty: What you said makes total sense about selling their souls to bolster the TV deal, but then Ruben made that bizarre statement recently claiming the team had to be careful about spending money because attendance was down – apparently oblivious to the reason why attendance was down in the first place.

      Perhaps Ruben said that just to keep his cards hidden but those other Cards in St. Louis seem to be playing with a fuller deck – bleacher seats and otherwise.

      • lefty

        November 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm

        wb, don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Not because it’s bullpoop necessarily, but because I think he changes his mind- frequently.

  12. Jael

    November 13, 2013 at 6:35 am

    No keep brown .it Mayberry get to go

  13. sflomenb

    November 13, 2013 at 6:57 am

    This would be good. Bautista is more proven than Brown. Still has some good years left. This, plus Byrd, would really balance out the lineup. Go do it Ruben!

  14. Bob D

    November 13, 2013 at 7:09 am

    Brown did have an 8 week run last year that was off the charts. Outside of that he was good. He defense is a bit suspect, but his arm is one of the best. We have to see who else is included in this trade if it happens. Blue Jays likely have some relievers that would fit in this team. This trade has the potential of ruining runs in 2015 and later if a bunch of prospects leave the team

    • schmenkman

      November 13, 2013 at 7:47 am

      Bob, given Brown’s much lower salary, and that he’s on the growth curve of his career, while Bautista is on the decline, the Phillies shouldn’t have to give up any of their better prospects. Bautista isn’t the hitter he was in 2010-11, but he’s still very good. The main concern with him is that he only played 210 games the last two years combined (fewer than Utley). Finally, CBP helps lefty home run hitters, but not righties. So while the Phillies could use more RH hitters, Brown is better suited for the park, is much cheaper, is still improving, and although Brown has also spent time on the DL, it’s not in the same “ballpark” as Bautista’s missed time.

  15. Manny

    November 13, 2013 at 7:39 am

    You gotta be an idiot to trade a young, athletic, high-ceiling outfielde like Brown for a guy like Bautista!! Don’t get me wrong, Bautista is a good player but absolutely NOT worth a player like Brown.


    • Phillies fan from Germany

      November 13, 2013 at 7:56 am

      Question regarding Brown would be how you think his defense will develop. If he plays the OF like he did last year, the ceiling is limited. Still, the real problem with this trade is that I think the Phillies are pretty far away from contending the xext two years. Bautista only would make sense if Amaro really keeps upgrading a lot by spending a lot of money. If not, Bautista helping us to get to 80 wins is really not worth trading Brown who could help us in the long term.

  16. Carlos Danger

    November 13, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Amaro’s advanced stats assistant must be on vacation this week.

  17. Eskin's an idiot

    November 13, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Really? Ruin Tomorrow, Jr. is at it again. This is a really awful deal. Add all that payroll without adding a player. For Eskin to say Bautista fits for phils is ridiculous. Can we trade Eskin?

  18. Chuck A.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:56 am

    The fact that there is nothing on MLBTR about it would substantiate the claim by Sportsnet Canada of “there’s no validity to it. None.”

  19. wbramh

    November 13, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Howard Eskin was probably thinking about RAJ’s efforts to trade Leandro Castro to the Cuban National team in return for Jose Batista.

    An opaque History joke.
    Feel free to ignore it.

  20. Hogey's Role

    November 13, 2013 at 9:17 am

    So this trade rumor has been shot down then??
    Wishful thinking

    • wbramh

      November 13, 2013 at 9:41 am

      Don’t worry, Hogey.

      Bautista is too young.
      He doesn’t fit into RAJ’s plans to save cap money by only acquiring players already covered under Medicare.

      • Hogey's Role

        November 13, 2013 at 9:47 am

        Lol valid

  21. George

    November 13, 2013 at 10:46 am

    When talking of potential deals, I go by the old saying, “Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.”

    • wbramh

      November 13, 2013 at 11:18 am

      …And then slice what’s left into a bite-sized sixteenth if the information originated from Howard Eskin.

  22. wbramh

    November 13, 2013 at 11:31 am

    All I can say is, if this crazy rumor is true, I hope Ruben did his due diligence and first asked Bautista if he’s a Cowboys fan.

    God forbid we go through those terrible times, again.

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