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Manuel Expected to Return in Advisory Role

In a nugget buried in a Lou Marson update, the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Matt Gelb reports that former manager Charlie Manuel is excepted to return to the Phillies in a front office role “that would involve some minor-league hitting instruction, scouting and public relations”. According to Gelb, general manager Ruben Amaro says the details are still being finalized.

Manuel, now 70, had previously stated desires to manage once more and speculation ran rampant that he would pursue the Nationals and/or Tigers opening. Manuel, of course, won five straight NL East titles with the Phillies from 2007 through 2011, back-to-back pennants in 2008 and 2009, the World Series in 2008, and is the Phillies all-time winningest manager.

Welcome back, Charlie.

24 Comments

24 Comments

  1. Jay

    December 20, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Great! Uncle Charlie is the man…maybe Amaro will invite him to Spring Training…only 70- that’s gotta be worth at least a 3 yr deal

  2. wbramh

    December 20, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Too bad Charlie didn’t become the Nationals manager. I think he would have had an excellent chance of winning another World Championship. The Cards and a healthy Dodgers may still be better clubs but I think the Nats have already made enough good moves to seriously challenge the Braves for the division title or at least go deep in the playoffs. Arguably, the only team to have a better off-season so far are the Rockies. and with a little luck, I could see the Rockies going from the basement to a wild card next season.

    Anyway, if this is what Charlie wanted as a viable option to managing somewhere again, then I’m happy for him.

  3. Chuck A.

    December 20, 2013 at 7:01 am

    Public relations??? YES. That’s JUST what the Phillies need right now…. better public relations after all of the at least *perceived* idiocy that Ruben Amaro has demonstrated recently. Charlie is the man to help with that! Good move.

  4. LGS

    December 20, 2013 at 7:27 am

    I only hope that the “Phillies” listen to the people. It is quite obvious that the majority want rubin out. he is arrogant and has not relate to the team whatsoever. they had a team and a good one. now is a bunch of guys that probably are good; but not as a team – OUT FOR R – put Charlie in his place

    • Chuck A.

      December 20, 2013 at 7:56 am

      We all love Charlie and are glad he’s still with the team…but I doubt he’d necessarily make a good GM. Seriously…people need to get a grip on reality before making statements like the one above.

    • wbramh

      December 20, 2013 at 11:46 am

      Being a GM is a totally different skill set.
      It’s like comparing a car manufacturer’s VP of personnel to a race car crew’s pit boss.

  5. Fat Joe

    December 20, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Terrible move. Charlie Manuel is part of the problem.

    • schmenkman

      December 20, 2013 at 11:38 am

      lol – seriously?

    • wbramh

      December 20, 2013 at 11:49 am

      What part would that be?
      Not motivating Delmon Young to play right field like Roberto Clemente?

      • Chuck A.

        December 20, 2013 at 7:44 pm

        I’d rather have a dead Roberto Clemente on the team rather than an alive Delmon Young.

      • wbramh

        December 20, 2013 at 11:18 pm

        @Chuck A.

        Re: “I’d rather have a dead Roberto Clemente on the team rather than an alive Delmon Young.”

        Agree, if only for the added speed.

    • Larry Harlow

      December 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      A lack of talent on the 25 man roster has been the problem. That had absolutely nothing to do with Manuel.

  6. Paula

    December 20, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Now if they will just get Jamie Moyer back to do some coaching it will be the best!!!!! Jamie has so much to offer!!!!!!

  7. Lefty

    December 20, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    While I agree that the lack of talent in recent years was more the problem than Charlie, I don’t see how he can help much in the FO or as a hitting instructor to the young hitters in the system.

    But it’s nice that they’re willing to keep him around, if for nothing else, to show gratitude for 08.

  8. wbramh

    December 20, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Charlie was pretty successful during his brief stint as the Indians hitting coach. I think he could be a valuable extra set of eyes in their system. As for FO duties I’d have to agree with you, Lefty

    I’m reminded again of the great Casey Stengel line when he turned 70 (like Charlie’s about to do) and was summarily fired by the Yankees based on his age. His response to reporters was “I’ll never do that again.”

    I’d guess it was Charlie’s greatest crime, too.

    • Lefty

      December 21, 2013 at 7:53 am

      That’s a great Stengel quip. Maybe you are right, maybe Charlie can help some. I just worry that he sees all the tattoo’s and piercings- and just has difficulty relating to the younger ones. I’m also concerned that he doesn’t preach patience – “walks ain’t hittin” -that’s an actual Uncle Cholly quote.

      I’ll always admire and be thankful for Charlie. I’ve said this before- I truly hope the next plaque that goes up in CBP is for him, he deserves it.

      Lastly, there is no way I can expose this recent personal experience on a public board, but suffice to say, that I understand how old Casey felt. And I promise never to turn 57 again either.

      • wbramh

        December 22, 2013 at 12:07 pm

        From personal experience, you’ll feel better about your age when you turn 65, Lefty. Not only does Medicare kick in but senility as well – and the latter tends to take the edge off of things.

        Charlie’s “walks ain’t hittin'” comment was obviously a myopic view of the skill for all the obvious reasons. A related silly comment belonged to Ryan Howard when he claimed a strike out is no worse than putting a ball in play for an out.

        I’m reminded of the great Mark Twain quote on politicians when he declared, “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”

        I’d like to believe Charlie and Ryan both know better and are just prone to those same sweeping generalizations famous among politicians when trying to fortify their points.

      • schmenkman

        December 22, 2013 at 1:00 pm

        I don’t see those two comments as equivalent. Manuel’s comment is almost always wrong, since a walk almost always increases a team’s chance of scoring runs.

        Howard’s comment is only wrong about 2% of the time, i.e. those times that a ball in play results in an error. There are also the relatively few times that a ball in play advances a runner, but those need to be offset by double plays grounded into.

      • schmenkman

        December 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm

        This is also a case whether you a) wonder if Manuel really meant what we think he meant, b) wonder how much impact a manager has on how much a team walks, or c) both.

        During Manuel’s tenure (2005 through 2013), the Phillies walked the 2nd most often in the NL (8.9%, just behind Atlanta’s 9.0%).

      • schmenkman

        December 22, 2013 at 4:59 pm

        *This is also a case _where_ you a) wonder…

      • wbramh

        December 22, 2013 at 6:19 pm

        Re: the Ryan Howard comment, as I recall, he wasn’t just referencing easy ground outs .A fly ball to the outfield also scores a runner from 3rd. I’d guess that happens successfully enough times to make it quite a bit more valuable than a strike out. Same for a well-placed infield grounder.

        Re: Charlie’s comment – obviously working a pitcher into deep counts raises the opportunity for a walk while also wearing down the pitcher. Conversely, if a batter expects to see nothing but strikes from some pitchers (like Cliff), he better not keep the bat on his shoulders expecting a free pass – or a very exhausted pitcher. I suspect part of Charlie’s idea of what hittin’ is all about includes knowing when not to swing.

      • schmenkman

        December 22, 2013 at 6:44 pm

        Agree on Charlie’s.

        On Ryan’s I was assuming he didn’t mean that sac flies and K’s were equivalent.

    • George

      December 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm

      Actually, in a literal sense, a walk “AIN’T hitting.” The batter doesn’t actually hit anything, he merely listens to the ball whizzing by, then sashays down to first base. With a man standing on third, a walk only helps if there aren’t two outs with the pitcher coming up next, and sometimes it doesn’t help much in other situations, either. If managers thought a walk was actual hitting, there wouldn’t be intentional walks for avoiding those potential hits.

      Manuel’s comment I think needs some interpretation. I think most managers prefer the actual base hit, because sometimes the batter gets as many as four bases when he actually makes contact. But I also don’t think most managers, even Charlie, would berate a player for drawing said walk.

  9. PhillyMike

    December 21, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I am glad that Charlie will be with the organization. He is a great guy to have around. I didn’t always agree with his moves on the field but he is associated directly with the greatest era of Phillies baseball ever.

    I doubt he would make a good GM. It is time to begin to consider alternatives to Amaro. This off-season, like the last one has been a complete disaster.

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