Phillies Sign Catcher Nieves – Phillies Nation

Phillies Sign Catcher Nieves, December 5, 4:48 PM: Nieves will receive $1.25 million in guaranteed money with a possible $500k in performance incentives on a one-year Major League contract according to Jon Heyman.

December 3, 2013, 8:17 PM

The Phillies have answered the Marlins signing of Jarrod Saltalamacchia by signing… back-up catcher Will Nieves. There is no news yet as to whether or not Nieves deal is a Major League deal. Nieves will turn 37 in September 2014 and has a career triple slash line of .242/.283/.314. Nieves has been an average defender and hit .297/.320/.369 last season.

Analysis: Assuredly with a pulse on the needs of the Phillies, Ruben Amaro managed to sign a back-up to the only position where they already have a cheap, reliable back-up in place. Kratz’s career .220/.281/.407 line is comparable in on-base ability and is significantly better in power. This move makes no sense if it is a Major League deal and only slightly more if it is a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training.



  1. Double Trouble Del

    December 3, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    The tone is a little too sarcastic.

    • Jacob

      December 3, 2013 at 9:14 pm

      Your tone is a little too sarcastic. (See what I did there, eh? 😉

  2. josh

    December 3, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    But it’s well deserved from the antics of our beloved gm

  3. Cs

    December 3, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Kratz has an option right? Unless we went and signed a project like Jp

  4. Chuck A.

    December 3, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Kratz has been traded. Just saw it on MLBTR. Kratz for reliever Brad Lincoln.

    • schmenkman

      December 3, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      Expanding the Godshall’s turkey bacon market to Canada, eh?

  5. Hogey's Role

    December 3, 2013 at 11:36 pm


  6. George

    December 4, 2013 at 12:07 am

    It became obvious later in the day why Nieves was signed. Maybe Kratz was barely okay, but by signing Nieves, Amaro was able to get a reliever for him, which is something the Phils desperately needed, and won’t suffer in the catching department by any more than a home run or two, since niether player will get many at bats, anyway.

    Sounds more like a creative move than a “senseless” one.

    • Art

      December 4, 2013 at 7:31 am

      Ruiz gets hurt every year. What do you mean he won’t get many at bats? A 35 year old catcher and a 36 year old backup catcher is not a recipe for success.

      • schmenkman

        December 4, 2013 at 7:49 am

        Pray for the Red Sox then (36 and 37).

      • schmenkman

        December 4, 2013 at 7:53 am

        Sorry, my mistake, both David Ross and AJ Pierzynski will be 37 in 2014.

      • George

        December 4, 2013 at 10:22 am

        Is a 35 year old catcher with a 36 year old backup really that much worse than a 35 year old catcher with a 33 year old backup who’s already proven he’s no more than AAAA material (Kratz)?

        I’m surprised Amaro got more than a bag of peanuts for Kratz. It show’s how deperate ALL teams are for catching.

      • Robert

        December 5, 2013 at 5:55 pm

        Art I agree its time for Anatomical to get his head out of his butte or find a new job

      • lefty

        December 6, 2013 at 3:29 pm

        Grey bearded back up catchers have been around for as long as I can remember. If there is one position you want experience at it’s catcher.

  7. Dave

    December 4, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Some of you guys are living in a fantasy world if you think the Phillies are going to be a good team. Marlon Byrd, Wil Nieves and Brad Lincoln to fix an 89 loss team? What a joke. This brings back the cheap, no impact moves the organization made for years.

    • Hogey's Role

      December 4, 2013 at 9:33 am

      I concur

    • c. schreiber

      December 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm

      If i’m not mistaken isn’t Delmon Young a FA?? He’s our GM’s type of guy.

      • hk

        December 4, 2013 at 3:06 pm

        Only if he’s now using 8 year old scouting reports.

    • Double Trouble Del

      December 5, 2013 at 4:43 pm

      Dude, we haven’t even gotten through the winter meetings yet. Calm yourself. Breathe in, breathe out. Feel the calm….

    • Walt Terrell

      December 5, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      I don’t think that there are many people who think this will be a good team in 2014. Even though a lot of people on this blog inexplicably predicted they’d be a 90 win team in 2013, I have a feeling that the reality of the situation is finally starting to set in. We’re looking at another season of 70-75 wins, and even that is if almost everything breaks right.

      • wbramh

        December 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm

        Barring major moves I think it will be a safer bet to assume they under-perform on those projected 70 wins rather than over-perform.
        The only thing separating them from a 60 win season is the possibility that the division won’t be any stronger than it was last year. But as pitiful as the Marlins were last year they still have a young base of stars to build around so they’re more likely to improve. Likewise, I don’t believe the Nats are done wheeling and dealing and no doubt have their eyes on Cano and a few other season-changing components. They’ll be tougher. The Mets are also building around a young core but so far I’m not impressed with their off-season moves – and they still have money problems dating back to Madoff. To date the Braves have lost momentum for improvement but for them it’s only a question of whether or not they’ll recover enough pop and pitching to make it as a wild card.

        If everything stays frozen in time as of today, here’s my ugly prediction (write this down):

        2014 – 55 to 60 wins.
        Ruben gets fired at the end of the season but Rino survives despite the team’s further fall.
        Howard is actively shopped in the off-season next year and finds a new home after the Phils eat $25 mil along with a player to be named later.
        RMJ’s replacement talks of a “10-year” plan. Fans demand his dismissal before he has a chance to sit at his new desk.
        2016 – The new GM is history after two dismal 50-win seasons.
        2017 – The team is sold to a Russian billionaire.
        2018 – The team follows the Whitmans (nee 76ers) to Camden and is renamed ‘The Pepper Pots.”
        2019 – I take my 8-year-old grandson out to the backyard and throw around a few names until he learns how to be a GM.
        2020 – Rollins and Utley retire after their right arms fall off.
        2025 – Under the leadership of their genius 14-year-old GM the Pepper Pots win their first World Championship and appear headed for a dynasty.
        2030 – The day after the Phillies’ 19-year-old GM resigns to become the new President of the Yankees, the Pepper Pots interim GM (RMJ,III) pens 49-year-old first baseman Michael Martinez to a 2-year, $185 mil deal after a rebound year in which he hit .100/.100/.100 in Tulsa.
        2031 – Chooch retires. Runs for governor.

      • lefty

        December 6, 2013 at 3:33 pm

        Wbramh -just too funny man.

    • Brian Sr. of CO

      December 6, 2013 at 10:48 am

      Who said anything about “good team” in the belief the Phillies will be anything more then mediocre at best? I dont think anyone…outside of RAJ believes this team will end up anywhere close to a .500 season. Look at the weaknesses from last year…the team as a whole is a step down. The pitching (excluding Hamels and Lee) overall sucked last year…It is worse than it was last year. Rubens reponse to the pithing from last year is to trade and signed for scrubs. Lincoln is the best pickup so far, and he is a 4.66 career ERA. Great, 3.98 in 2013. Well, heck, I suppose that is an improvement from Qualls from a few years back, and below the average of the 2013 Phillies Bullpen. Howard is back to try to set the strike out record, considering he cant hit an off speed pitch to save his life. Can Utley replicate a decent season which he had? J-Roll…Oy, where to begin. Can Dom Brown replicate even a slive of what he did last year, or will he fall back down? Revere…Which one will we get? April/May Revere, or June Revere? Byrd…LOL. I wont go there. Asche…Could “hold his own” compared to what the Phillies are used to out of their 3rd basemen the last couple of seasons. Ruiz I suspect will bounce back based on the “medical exemption” for his ADD medication.

      Hamels and Lee will probably join the choir or pitchers wanting a trade, behind the director of said choir, Jonathan Papelbon…only they will do it in a more respectful manner.

      Until RAJ is gone, This team will continue to SUCK.

      Having said that, I would take Nieves over Kratz, but sure as hell NOT at the price RAJ overspent on him.

      • Alex M.

        December 6, 2013 at 11:16 am

        I wouldnt say they overpaid, $1.125M with incentives for a backup catcher that will likely have to play 40 to 50 games dependent on Chooch and his health. Look at Pena he got a little more money and 2 yrs. I think it is a decent deal for the Phillies.

      • Double Trouble Del

        December 6, 2013 at 1:27 pm

        Get a grip on market forces on a day when a team dropped 240 million on a second baseman. Second, the offseason is still that ….meaning the Winter Meetings haven’t concluded and unless you’re privy to the Phillies’ inner sanctum you don’t know how the rest of the plan will unfold. If you want to gripe about the 2014 lineup, at least wait until the end of next March.

      • schmenkman

        December 6, 2013 at 1:48 pm

        He is though at least the 3rd best second baseman of his era, maybe even second:

  8. Double Trouble Del

    December 5, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    The money I find a little surprising considering he made only $800,000 with the D’Backs last season.

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