Are Phillies Courting Ervin Santana? – Phillies Nation

Are Phillies Courting Ervin Santana?

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe and MLB Network plainly stated this on twitter:

That’s all. Your co-Ace goes down, you look to the market. But buyer beware with Santana. Not only does he reportedly want a four-year deal with big money, but he’s tied to draft pick compensation.

If the Phillies were to sign him, they’d give up a second-round pick in the next draft. Because they finished as one of the 10 worst teams in the majors last year, their first round pick is protected.

Is he worth it? Not only are you going to overpay for a guy that is probably a third or fourth starter, but you’ll lose a valuable draft choice that the Phillies will need to rebuild a broken down roster in time. Do you do it?



  1. Hogey's Role

    March 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    No way in hell!! He’s not worth the money or the pick, if you were gonna sign someone tied to draft pick compensation, there were far better players available, so do not waste it here lol

  2. Chuck A.

    March 7, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    A simple answer – no.

  3. wbramh

    March 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    I’d sooner have Carlos Santana in the rotation.

  4. Cs

    March 7, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Keep an eye on Deudno or Worley and pass on Santana. Did Ian do a pass/play on this earlier?

  5. Mike B

    March 7, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Four years and a draft pick? Pass.

    The fact that he is still looking for work should be a clue to Santana and his agent.

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    March 7, 2014 at 7:32 pm

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  7. Abel Ruiz

    March 7, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    I wouldn’t do it. For a team that’s probably not going to be good would look to the minors or sign the other santana for cheaper and keep the draft pick and also get the same production

  8. gibbs57

    March 7, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    A. That first sentence gave me a headache trying to read it

    B. No, I don’t do this deal. Not worth it.

  9. Spencer

    March 7, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    The question is does Ruin do it?

  10. wbramh

    March 8, 2014 at 12:09 am

    The team doesn’t need Santana. They already have a adequate batting practice pitcher in Miguel Gonzalez.

  11. Nick

    March 8, 2014 at 1:15 am

    Supposedly he is seeking a one-year deal. I’d absolutely do that and tender him a QO next year when he seeks big money. That way we will probably get a better pick the following year than the one we lose this year.

  12. jeff of nova

    March 8, 2014 at 7:20 am

    Really why would we even post about this….This team is a mess, they are not a player away, there is not one on the the market that will help them. We need to let the young guys pitch until Hamel is back. Not give up a pick that we so desperately need for an uncertainty. Watching the O’s game made me sick, Burnett looked like the Burnett that showed up during regular season in NY. Every other pitcher should be sent to the minors yesterday.

    • Born Band Creature

      March 10, 2014 at 12:30 pm

      Exactly right.

  13. bacardipr

    March 8, 2014 at 7:23 am

    Last i heard he was seeking a one year deal. This means Rube will offer him a 3 year deal.

  14. Keith

    March 8, 2014 at 8:32 am

    Okay, I understand the pessimism but Santana is an innings eater and if we can get him reasonably for a one year deal. GET HIM NOW! If you’ve been paying attention or middle relief likes to give up walks and runs. Give me a starter that goes at least 7 every day. Or pitching is horrible outside of the starters. Second round pick isn’t a guarantee anyway.

    • wbramh

      March 8, 2014 at 11:32 am

      Keith, re: “Okay, I understand the pessimism but Santana is an innings eater and if we can get him reasonably for a one year deal.”

      We can get bubonic fever cheap, too but it doesn’t mean we should run out and buy it AND undergo a kidney removal (2nd round draft choice) just because it probably won’t be needed.

      Okay, that’s a bit harsh on old Ervin, I agree, but pitchers are going to be cut from the 25 superior (to the Phillies) clubs in MLB over the next few days and a better and cheaper choice is bound to emerge. In fact, there’s probably a better some veteran languishing on some team’s triple A team that still has the smarts to give you 5 innings with minimal damage – at least minimal compared to Gonzalez and his current 16+ ERA..

      At this point, I’d suit up Jamie Moyer and give him 10 warm up pitches.

  15. Double Trouble Del

    March 8, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Fortunately it looks as if the Blue Jays or Orioles are the finalists for Mr. Santana’s services.

  16. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    March 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    My vote is “no” for many of the reasons my Phillies Nation compatriot’s elucidated. Plus, let’s roll with that Buchannon kid and see what he’s got. Makes no sense to pay a ton of money for an “unknown” in what Santanna will give. We will see what Rube does.

  17. George

    March 8, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    This, as a rumor, ranks in accuracy with 2+2=7.

    My reading tells me that:
    1. Santana is down to asking for one year, not four.
    2. I think maybe one whole writer reported any supposed interest, and even he wasn’t sure. He probably overheard Amaro’s office boy in the adjacent bathroom stall humming an old Santana rock and roll tune. He then proceeded to remember that “mystery team” thing back when Cliff Lee was a free agent. He then put 2 and 2 together and got that 7.

  18. wbramh

    March 9, 2014 at 6:49 am

    I often wonder how many rumors like these are not coming out of some GM’s office but rather, the imagination of a player’s agent. They are the ones most likely to gain by feigning interest from a second or third club if they have one nibbling at the hook.

  19. Ryne Duren

    March 9, 2014 at 11:09 am

    That is a definite pass! As many have already stated, he’s not worth the money ,years or the pick. If he was any good he’s be signed already. Is it his agents fault? Who knows. But my guess is it’s his agent plus the years and money, and the talent for what he’s asking.
    Unfortunately Ruben will somehow find a way to get him signed here to muddle our pitching staff even more. “He’s just what we’re looking for” Ruben would say! Another question mark added to a team full of question marks making big money. What a fit.

  20. Carlos

    March 9, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    If there is a wrong move to make RA will make it. I have great faith in his inability.

  21. Lefty

    March 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Looks like the Blue Jays are signing him. Maybe Phils were thrown in as a negotiating ploy to up the ante, but nothing more.

  22. wbramh

    March 9, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    My sympathies go out to the ‘Jays.
    Ruben should find out if the Toronto is interested in MAG in return for picking up his $12 mil contract and sending a 2nd round draft pick to Philadelphia. It would be nice to come out on top, just once.

    • schmenkman

      March 10, 2014 at 7:03 am

      Since half the second round picks never appear in a major league game, and MAG hasn’t pitched in two years, I would rather see what Gonzalez can do when he shakes the rust off than make that trade.

      • wbramh

        March 10, 2014 at 12:50 pm

        ‘Twas a comment laced with sarcasm.

        But on the subject of 2-year rust, let’s revisit MAG’s true timeline:

        Gonzalez had already successfully defected from Cuba one year after he was banned from pitching in their leagues (banned for a previous and unsuccessful escape attempt).

        Less than six months later (June, 2013) he was strutting his stuff in Mexico for MLB scouts. One assumes he picked up a baseball a few times between January 2013 and June 2013 in order to remove some of that “rust” and impress the scouts… at least the Phillies’ scout. And yes, organized baseball is played in Mexico. I suspect some team would have been grateful for a Cuban star walk-on. At the very least, he could have found a bull pen catcher if he was industrious enough to find an agent! But we’re supposed to believe he never had a chance to play competitive ball even after his performances for MLB scouts?

        What was MAG doing with his life between June and October of 2013 – the time the Phillies were aggressively courting him and throwing $48 million his way. Again, one assumes the Phillies had seen plenty.

        Now, tell me what MAG was doing between the first week of October , 2013 (when the Phillies finally signed him for $12 mil) and the opening of Spring Training? Why didn’t the Phillies make arrangements for MAG to play in one of the competitive winter leagues as Abreu and other players with “rust” (or skills to learn) were actively doing?

        Perhaps there are logical answers for MAG’s unpreparedness just as I’m sure there’s a logical answer for why MiniMart kept appearing and reappearing on the 40-man roster of a professional baseball team. I just don’t possess the vivid imagination to to come up with an answer.

        I sincerely hope MAG turns out to be the second coming of Tiant or Pasqual or Chapman, but unless the gaps in his training can be explained, as of now he looks more like the World’s most expensive batting practice pitcher.

      • schmenkman

        March 10, 2014 at 1:04 pm

        I don’t know why MAG didn’t pitch in 2013 or over the winter, and so I can’t speak to whether it was a health issue, or lack of desire, or who knows what.

        But he seems healthy now, he is pitching now, and the fact remains that he hasn’t pitched competitively in two years.

        As for Minimart, there are no more answers about his ability to stick around than there are about John Vukovich, who hit even worse and was less versatile.

      • wbramh

        March 10, 2014 at 1:50 pm

        None of us know which I find disconcerting, especially since the Phillies didn’t know what they were getting either when they offered Gonzalez $48 million. We can only assume MAG enjoyed a long enough period of health (a solitary week in June of 2013) to wow a Phillies scout.

        As you know, I prefer to ask the unanswered questions rather than speculate on causes.
        My only cause for speculation (to recent memory) concerned Roy Halladay who I speculated (during last season) would retire by or before spring training this year. Unfortunately, that prediction came to pass but the facts could be clearly seen by everyone in the pain in Doc’s face.

        In contrast, there are no before leaving Cuba and after comparisons to judge MAG by and the story or non-story of his workouts over the last 15 months of his layoff remains a total mystery. I would hope the Phillies know what MAG was doing, or not doing, over the last 9 months since they first watched him pitch. If the Phillies can’t account for the baseball-related activities of their “rusty” $12 million dollar investment I wouldn’t hesitate to speculate that the organization is being run by incompetents. But that seems to incredulous an answer to believe, so again, I only ask the obvious questions.

  23. Bob

    March 11, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    A one or two year deal would be worth it. We have no one to trade, possibly Howard, but options are running out. Should have made better acquisition during the winter meetings (how disappointing). We are down to one real starter, an average pitcher in Henrick, Hernandez and Gonzalez (probably should be with the Pigs), Pettibone not ready to return, and Hamels who should have been on the block this past winter. How can a team that did so well, be so lacking now? Perhaps the front office is asleep…

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