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Asche’s Miscues Lead to Angels Win in Trout’s Philly Debut

If it’s not the bullpen, it’s the defense. Cody Asche’s three errors wasted an exceptional performance from Cliff Lee as the Angels rallied to win, 4-3.


-Just a lousy, awful, terrible game for Cody Asche. He recorded three errors at third base which led to the Angels scoring four runs, wiping away any chance at a Cliff Lee win. I’ve seen Asche take extra grounders day after day and it just doesn’t seem to be working for him. And right now, his bat is not making up for it.


-If the Phillies rotation rounded up the team, put them in a bus, then drove the bus off the a cliff, would anyone blame them? Cliff Lee was solid, per usual, but was done in by Asche on D and an offense that allowed Matt Shoemaker, making his second career start, an easy five innings. Lee went seven innings allowing no earned runs while striking out seven. Again, he did not win.


-Over 41,000 packed the stands for local kid Mike Trout, with about 8,000 of them driving the 40-or-so miles from his native Millville, NJ. Who wouldn’t watch Mike Trout vs. Cliff Lee over and over and over? The decision went to Lee. Trout grounded out and struck out, with a single in there, too. He was also the beneficiary of an Asche error.

-Interesting note: before the game, in front of about 50 media members, Mike Trout actually seemed nervous. It sometimes easy to forget that he’s just a 22 year old kid that’s five years removed from playing in high school games.


-Struggling for the better part of the season, Dom Brown put together a few nice swings tonight, including a triple to the RCF gap. The Phillies certainly need more of that tonight.



  1. Guest

    May 13, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Enough is enough. If its not the crappy bullpen blowing games it is the defense and hitting of the third base position. This has been the issue since day one and has cost this team about 10 wins. Something needs to be done. Bring up franco ( I believe that is the right name). He can’t do any worse at the plate and have heard he is a much better defensive player. Can someone please do something. Amaro keeps saying he knows the issues but the same problems keep taking the field.

    • Scotty Ingerton

      May 13, 2014 at 10:43 pm

      Actually, Asche is the better defensive player of the two.

      • Hogey's Role

        May 13, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        Who said he is the better defensive third baseman??

      • Guest

        May 13, 2014 at 11:10 pm

        From an article I read out of the Philly area. Can’t remember which one but I thought it said he had less range then Asche but caught what he got to. Haven’t seen him play since I live in Az. so I try to read what I can online about the minor league players.

      • wbramh

        May 13, 2014 at 11:14 pm

        Franco has less mobility than Asche but apparently has better reflexes and definitely has the better arm (a cannon). Franco may have avoided I’m not sure which player boasts a faster release but Asche’s release doesn’t seem nearly a quick as Galvis’s. Assuming their defensive strengths and weaknesses cancel each other out, I’d sooner have Franco. He still has much to learn at the plate but his power is undeniable and like 1st base, 3rd should be a power position. I think Asche is never going to contribute more than 15 HRs a year while Franco has the capacity to drive in 25-30 or more – and more these days would put him in rare company.

      • Hogey's Role

        May 13, 2014 at 11:14 pm

        Should have clarified my post, who said asche is better???

        From everything I’ve seen and what I’ve heard Franco is the better third baseman all around, he doesn’t look like he’s ready to make the jump to the majors yet, though he has started to heat up some, but more than likely needs more time

    • wbramh

      May 13, 2014 at 11:29 pm

      “Enough is enough. If its not the crappy bullpen blowing games it is the defense and hitting of the third base position.”

      To be fair, It’s not always the crappy pen or defense or 3rd baseman blowing games – sometimes it’s the crappy bench’s turn to stink up the joint.

  2. Jacob Muran

    May 13, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    Franco is better then this clown in every facet of the game.. Stop!

  3. Jacob Muran

    May 13, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    Franco is better then this Ashy in every facet of the game.. Stop!

  4. Jacob Muran

    May 13, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Franco is better then this Ashy in every facet of the game..

    • wbramh

      May 13, 2014 at 11:18 pm

      I’ve heard that before.
      And before before.

  5. wbramh

    May 13, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    Frankly, tonight Generalisimo Franco would have been an improvement over Asche.
    And to my knowledge, the general is still dead.

  6. Jacob Muran

    May 13, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    Asche is not a ML player.. Anyone that defends him after this performance is simply disillusioned to the state of Asche’s play

    • wbramh

      May 13, 2014 at 11:40 pm

      Well look at the bright side, Asche didn’t make a single bad throw to 1st.

    • Scotty Ingerton

      May 14, 2014 at 5:59 am

      Saying that Asche is the better defender (compared to Franco) is not “defending” him. It’s simply stating a fact. They are both poor defensive players. Yes, Franco has a higher upside, but that is based on his offense.

      • Scotty Ingerton

        May 14, 2014 at 6:03 am

        “…there are other days that you wonder if he’s going to get on base enough to justify having his power in your lineup, because he isn’t exactly Ryan Zimmerman with the glove.”

        Not exactly Zimmerman with the glove is probably an understatement, as few scouts I’ve spoken with believe that Franco will end up at third base long term. He has the arm strength to stay at the hot corner, but he’s a 35 runner at best, and he doesn’t have the agility or hands to be anything more than a below-average defender at this point. The Phillies have Ryan Howard’s albatross contract at first base right now, so Franco will have to improve defensively — or the Phillies will have to offer an awful lot of money in a Howard trade — if he’s going to play every day.”

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 1:15 pm

        Scotty, I don’t mean to besmirch the fantasy baseball nerd crowd because I know they take their amusement very seriously, BUT…
        First off, that fantasy report makes much of its judgment on the slow start Maikel had in the minors this past spring. It also goes on to mention the fact that he’s starting to show his potential upside, again. What was and remains apparent is that he still has a lot to learn, both at his position and especially at the plate. But everything I read about him indicates that his raw talent as a 3rd basemen is considerable (MLB quality) despite his range issues and that his reflexes (a most critical talent for a corner player) are exceptional.

        On the other hand, I have yet to see anything that excites me about Asche, even on a good day in the field and at the plate. I know Schmidt has said nice things about Asche’s future in the game but I suspect some of his praise is based on political correctness. I also suspect Asche isn’t as bad as he’s looked this season and has a chance to survive for a period in this league if given the opportunity – but I just don’t see him ever having that much upside in the Bigs.

  7. Jacob Muran

    May 13, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    Asche is a very poor defender.. He doesn’t belong here.. He doesn’t even hit.. Screw this bum! Ruben send him to double A already.

  8. Jacob Muran

    May 13, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Revere is a joke too.. He needs to go!

    • wbramh

      May 13, 2014 at 11:55 pm

      Hmmm…Okay I have a Revere joke.
      Why did Revere run to the center field fence?
      Because it was a ground ball to short.

      Hey, pay me and I’ll try harder.

  9. wbramh

    May 13, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    “If the Phillies rotation rounded up the team, put them in a bus, then drove the bus off the a cliff, would anyone blame them?”

    Don’t give a Cliff any cliff ideas.

    • schmenkman

      May 14, 2014 at 7:05 am

      Nice. But while Lee has been his usual excellent self, the Phillies rotation as a whole has been only about average so far.

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 12:51 pm

        True. Pat could add the rest of the rotation to that bus of his along with many of the underperforming position players.

        Ironic that the steadiest pitcher after Cliff has been one J. Papelbon.
        Maybe there is such a thing as redemption, after all.

        Now I’m wondering whether Mini-Mart has a bright future.

  10. Andrew from Waldorf

    May 14, 2014 at 1:09 am

    Bad teams find new and creative ways to lose.

    I was lsitenign to the post game show tonight on the way home from the track.

    They said they have a GMs corner or something where Ruben takes calls from fans.

    Id love to get through to that show.

    I bet its a serious caller screening process and they are quick to cut you off.

    Id just like to know why he doesn’t just resign.

    • lefty

      May 14, 2014 at 11:03 am

      I’ve heard that show many times and think you are wrong about the screening. Some callers are honest and Ruben, at times is very self critical. It’s a fun listen you should check it out.

    • lefty

      May 14, 2014 at 10:58 am

      I agree with Murphy.

  11. Chuck A.

    May 14, 2014 at 6:38 am

    I’m fairly certain that King Chase the First probably committed 3 errors in a game…..more than once.

  12. Mike in NJ

    May 14, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Too many players on this roster don’t belong in the bigs.

  13. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 11:13 am

    After the second error, I was pretty sure he would make a third one, by that time it was in his head. It’s happened to me before. And although he made several plays after that, he still looked shaky to me.

    If there was one good thing that came from last night (big if) it was the leadership role that Ruiz took toward Asche after the third error when he went to the mound. I think that went a long way to settling Cliff down and getting tgmhe final two K’s that inning.

  14. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Defense and bullpen aside, 4 hits against the Angels pitching is not gonna win many ballgames. It’s not a Verlander, Scherzer or a Greinke, Kershaw type of staff, and Frieri is one of the league’s worst closers.

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