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2014 Gameday

Gameday 38: Angels vs. Phillies


Los Angeles Angels (20-18) at Philadelphia Phillies (17-20)

Starting Pitchers:
LAA: Garrett Richards (3-0, 2.80)
PHI: AJ Burnett (2-2, 2.90)

Time: 1:05, Citizens Bank Park
Weather: Mostly Cloudy, 70
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Tonight:

Beware Garrett Richards. The kid can pitch and on getaway day, they’ll be looking to make this a quick one, which is never a good combo. On the other hand, AJ Burnett can pitch, too. Both hurlers have been solid this year. Should be a very good match up. But the Phillies need to figure out a way to put some runs on the board with more consistency or they wont be able to overcome their deficiencies.

Cody Asche had a terrible game last night but Ryne Sandberg will keep him out there to fight through it. Asche was distraught last night, yet Sandberg did not waiver. He said he would keep him out there and did.


Revere CF / Rollins SS / Utley 2B / Howard 1B / Byrd RF / Brown LF / Ruiz C / Asche 3B / Burnett P



  1. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Gotta love watching Trout sign autographs at CBP.

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 1:35 pm

      If only the Phillies could retain territorial rights to draftees along with their designated draft pick positions.
      Of course, Trout may have ended up as the minor league player-to -be-named -later in a trade with Houston for their 3rd string AA catcher.

      On a related note, why won’t this team hire me as their talent evaluator?
      Don’t answer that question – it’s strictly rhetorical.

  2. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Imo- great move by Sandburg running Asche right back out there. Hope I don’t eat those words.

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 1:21 pm

      Agree. Nothing could have deflated his self-worth faster than removing him from the game. As Schmidt said, sometimes you have games in which you stink up so badly you just pray no more balls are hit your way.

      Asche may have another terrible game today, but like a batter finally breaking out of a slump, the first great play he makes will return his confidence. Then all he’ll have tyo do is break out of his double-whammy slump at the plate.

      Poor kid. Seems to nice a guy to have to go through this hell.

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 1:50 pm

        er, that should have read, “too nice a kid.”
        Too many to’s more than two in this silly language.

  3. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Hope the fans give Raul a respectful welcome back.

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 1:25 pm

      He actually might be back – as the Phils’ left fielder by his 42nd birthday.
      Never say never.
      Marlon Byrd.

      • lefty

        May 14, 2014 at 1:33 pm

        That’s much too young for the Phillies brass, maybe in a few years when he’s closer to Jamie’s age?

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 1:47 pm

        You never know, lefty. They were willing cradle-rob to land 36-year-old Marlon for RF.
        Plus, I hear Bobby Gene Smith retired.

  4. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    A lot of pitches for a first inning. Let’s take it back men.

  5. Andrew from Waldorf

    May 14, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    I wish the Phillies would announce a promotion that the first game with less than 12,000 fans in attendance they will fire Amaro.

    It would be something everyone could rally around. Might be able to shoot lower even.

    Was talking to my buddy today about last nights game.
    He said they should have won but Ashe.

    I disagree.

    This is a terrible team and roster. Assembled by possibly the worst GM in organized sports history.

    They will always find a way to lose.
    Whether its the closer needing a day off or 3 errors in an inning. Or the bases loaded and no outs and not scoring etc etc etc.

    when do Burnet and Hamels hit the DL?
    Id guess before the all star break.

    I also have given up on even thinking the Phillies will have a better record than the Mets.

    Other than that.

    Go Phillies!!!!!

    Win this and split the series.

    • lefty

      May 14, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Hey Andrew. I never knew that you felt that way about Amaro. Stop hiding your feelings man, let it out. 🙂

  6. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    It’s evident that the Angels pitchers aren’t used to getting signs in the batters box.

  7. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Burnett doesn’t look like he has his good stuff today. Maybe he’ll settle in.

  8. Andrew from Waldorf

    May 14, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    @ Lefty.

    you’ve been watching a long time.

    I really have only have been watching every game since the invention of the baseball package in about 2005.

    But I have always been a fan and would follow whenever I could watch read the paper etc etc.

    Is hits team excruciatingly hard to watch ?

    I have to think it is worse even than the non competitive teams in the late 80s.

    I mean when you have an old team and a top 3 pay roll and this is the product.
    It is brutal.

    My one buddy who is older says its the toughest hes ever had to watch.

    I really believe when Ruben is gone it will affect the play on the field and attendance and everything else.

    He is that much of a black cloud on the team.

    OK the rants had been saved up a few days lol

    Go phils!

  9. Andrew from Waldorf

    May 14, 2014 at 1:55 pm


    And Rubens assistant in the broadcast booth.


    These guys are shameless.

    I want a written letter of apology from Ruben and this guy.

  10. Andrew from Waldorf

    May 14, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Turning over to the view or Oprah Winfrey network.

    Listening to a Ruben Amaro lackey is making me physically ill.


    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 2:46 pm

      Oprah’s a good diversion but you should really consider watching Dr. Phil, instead. He may offer some advice that is applicable to your Ruben issues. I know he’s helped me overcome my anxiety while waiting for my sluggish porno sites to load.

  11. Jacob Muran

    May 14, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    You Ruben haters are disgusting

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      Say what you will but I believe Ruben is a witch.

      In the old days he would be burned at the stake but personally, I’m a believer in rehabilitation. Plus, Ruben’s black magic has nothing to do with his other job as a GM and I believe in rehabilitation there, too… unless he conjures Mini-Mart one more time.
      In that event I’d want to see if either one of them floats.

    • Hogey's Role

      May 14, 2014 at 2:32 pm

      We’re rubber and you’re glue!!

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 2:52 pm

        Now that’s telling him, Hogey!

        Although certain glues do adhere to rubber.
        Maybe I’m over-thinking it.

      • Hogey's Role

        May 14, 2014 at 3:27 pm

        Best way to deal with children, talk on their level, right? Lol

  12. Dave

    May 14, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Wow…Burnett pitched a whole 4 innings with only 105 pitches….lol. This team truly is horrible. Assembling a group of high paid star players to play this bad is truly an achievement. It would be like remaking “The Dirty Dozen” led by Pee Wee Herman.

    • schmenkman

      May 14, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      If you’re including Burnett in those who “play this bad” you may want to try again. Today’s game raised his ERA to a still very good 3.13 (FIP is higher, but in terms of results you couldn’t ask for much more from him).

      • Dave

        May 14, 2014 at 3:16 pm

        He’s only pitched more than 6 innings on 3 occasions in 9 starts. That’s nothing to be proud of.

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        Or another way to look at it is AJ has averaged 6.2 innings per game while Justin Verlander has averaged 6.75 innings per game. Not a huge gap between AJ and the best of the best.

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 3:39 pm

        I should add that any pitcher’s ability to last beyond the 6th inning also has a direct correlation to the number of runs his team scores behind him. Hence a Rockies pitcher this year may last to the 8th or 9th inning far more often than a comparably performing Phillies pitcher who may never make it past 6.

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      I could see Pee Wee in the Donald Sutherland role.
      Just saying.

      • Hogey's Role

        May 14, 2014 at 3:29 pm

        I actually really like Burnett, but the way this season is going I’d almost rather he got his hernia surgery done, this team is looking pretty bad ATM

      • Dave

        May 14, 2014 at 3:51 pm

        Glad someone got my Dirty Dozen joke:-) Seeing Pee Wee stopped by Germans and saying, “How about some more gum Mr Buxton” would be classic.

  13. Jacob Muran

    May 14, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    He trouts out Asche again!! LOL hahahaha

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      And right in front of Mike Trot.

  14. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Andrew in all honesty, no, I don’t feel this team is that hard to watch, I’ve seen much worse. But then, as you know, I really dont care so much about things like payroll size or low attendance. Heck, I like it better when there are ample seats to pick from.

    Obviously however, this team has no hope of contending, I think any sane fan knows that. I also agree that under different stewardship, there’s a good chance things could be different right now.

    But here’s where the big difference between me and you comes- I choose to accept the reality of the situation and roll with it and you just can’t. I try to only worry about things I can control, and I have no control of the Phillies; I’m just a lifelong fan.

    There are plenty of horribly run franchises in MLB, and you don’t have to look very far to see one of the worst, they’re on your TV right now. The Angels have an enormous payroll and IMO, no better chance of contending than the Phillies. And they’re doomed for at least a decade with terrible contracts.

    Just my opinion of course, but there have been plenty of worse Phillies teams that were much harder to watch than this one.

    • schmenkman

      May 14, 2014 at 4:01 pm

      If I had the patience and the eloquence, that’s what I would have written.

    • wbramh

      May 14, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      “Just my opinion of course, but there have been plenty of worse Phillies teams that were much harder to watch than this one.”

      Like last year’s team, even if this year’s team ends up winning less games.
      Last year was brutal. I sense this one is playing closer to its potential which is all I expect of the guys who actually have to play the game. However good, bad or indifferent manager Sandberg is, he seems to be getting more hustle out of these guys. He just can’t make them better natural talents (or 10 years younger).

      Anyone who can’t watch this team should have been forced to bear witness needs to the teams from 1883, 1903, 1904, 1928, 1939, 1941, 1942, 1945, 1961 (PU), 1969, 1972, 1988, 1996, 2000 and the countless years of cellar dwelling and mediocrity in between.

      As long as one Cubs fan still breathes, I will remain a Phillies fan to my last breath.

  15. lefty

    May 14, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    I think they should let Burnett keep pitching as long as he is not in extreme discomfort or doing further damage to the herniated area. I also think there may be a contender or two interested in him at the deadline if he is healthy and continues to pitch like a decent 3 man.

    • jeff orbach

      May 14, 2014 at 4:06 pm

      He’s not healthy-he has a hernia! At least the Manship left the harbor and didn’t ground on a sandbar he actually made it thru an inning! Much has been made of MIke Trout and Raul coming to Philadelphia. How about the return of “thunderstick” and pitching ace John McDonald.

  16. Terry George

    May 14, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Cant score enough runs with thos bullpen

    • Hogey's Role

      May 14, 2014 at 4:27 pm

      The bullpen actually looked fine these last two games, not the problem at all this series anyway

  17. wbramh

    May 14, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    I’ve been appalled at the number of serious injuries to great young pitchers. Word of the latest injury reported, the one to Jose Fernandez, made me feel physically ill.

    I guess we should be grateful when it’s an oblique injury or a nagging hernia. I think it’s time for MLB to pour some cash into serious studies – and to especially try to figure out why, in an era when pitchers throw less innings and are allegedly sticking to “safer” regimens, the number of serious injuries has increased.

    I suspect the problem is counterintuitive. That some element or elements of players’ modern, sophisticated training regimens and controlled throwing (or types of throwing) are doing more damage, not less. A few old-timers, including Nolan Ryan and Jim Kaat (2 relative iron men) have suggested as much.

    But as for hernias, they don’t heal themselves and only get worse. Then again, they often hurt less as the tear increases because the pressure is more evenly divided, but wait too long and they can become dangerous and it becomes harder to prevent new tears from developing. Since this is pprobably being AJ’s swan song year, he may try to suffer his way through it but I’m sure it would be a red flag for any contender contemplating picking him up this summer.

    • lefty

      May 14, 2014 at 4:37 pm

      I agree on AJ now based on the information you have provided. I’m no Dr nor do I play one on baseball blogs, so clearly I was mistaken in my earlier opinion. As far as the rate of young pitchers going down, I have no answers but also find it alarming and think it must be dealt with immediately.

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 8:10 pm

        But your first assumption was actually correct Lefty in that AJ could choose to go through the rest of the season without getting the hernia repaired if the pain remains manageable. The pain will more likely, but not necessarily, lessen if the size of the tear increases. If the pain starts to get worse again, then it will be time to hang it up to avoid complications (like a strangulated hernia which can be dangerous). But again, I’m not sure whether a contending team would take the chance on AJ (as opposed to searching elsewhere) unless the money and/or compensation risk was nominal. If AJ can pitch, I believe your idea would be sound for the Phils and for a needy playoff team – and there will be needy ones at the rate pitchers are dropping.

        And to be further clear, I too play a doctor on a baseball blog. My knowledge comes from having a few hernias and operations for same in the last few years as a result of major abdominal surgeries. I became, by necessity and curiosity, relatively well-informed on the subject being a frequent practice dummy for my local surgeons.

    • "Big Ed" Delahanty

      May 14, 2014 at 5:57 pm

      Steve Carlyon was on the phone yesterday on 94.1 yesterday and they broached the topic with him. He said that they need to 1) be in better physical and mental shape, 2) use their legs more and take longer strides, and use both to build up to go deeper into games. Then he went into some quantum physics realization thingy and I lost him. Lol. Such an awesome guy to listen to though.
      And today was another stinker! Revere looked at ten pitches through all his at-bats, as the lead-off guy?! Ugh. Gonna be a long year, but at least ticket prices will drop on stubhub.

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 8:26 pm

        Yep, Lefty was another iron man and I think his comment about needing to use their legs more is an interesting one. I assume he’s been seeing a mechanical difference in some pitchers but I’d be surprised if pitching coaches have been that widely been preaching a radical new set of mechanics to their young pupils. Still, it may be a component of a larger problem. I’d certainly pay serious attention to the Carltons and Ryans who were such great and durable pitchers – and yes, Carlton has a special mind.

        Their input may be as or more valuable than information from orthopedic specialists & physiologists.

      • Hogey's Role

        May 14, 2014 at 9:16 pm

        I saw on mlb network the other day about 6 guys we’re talking about the arm troubles this year and Jim kaat said he used to throw all the time even between starts everyday just to keep the proper mechanics, not that you pitch everyday but just throw the ball… And icing your arm does help but icing anything longer than 20 minutes isn’t good at all, hopefully mlb will figure something put with all of this

      • wbramh

        May 14, 2014 at 11:53 pm

        Saw it, too. That show has been getting a lot of play and follow-up comments on MLB Network. It ran on Saturday and Sunday and I believe it was replayed during the week. As you probably heard, Kaat would regularly take infield grounders before games and throw the ball to first (always an extra challenge for us lefties).One day an opposing pitcher came up to him and asked him if he was crazy risking his arm like that. Kaat never got hurt, but the opposing pitcher eventually did – a guy named Tommy John.

        Taking grounders didn’t hurt Kaat’s fielding either, which was exceptional.

  18. bacardipr

    May 14, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    they could just get Burnett to get the operation down time is only about 2 weeks…with the right timing he would only miss 3 starts

  19. teejayvee

    May 14, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    The bad new is that they are playing this bad with everybody healthy, And you the DL stints are coming.

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