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Miami Marlins (37-38) at Philadelphia Phillies (34-40)

Starting Pitchers:
MIA: Natahn Eovaldi (4-3, 3.76)
vs.
PHI: Roberto Hernandez (3-5, 4.52)

Time:  7:05 at Citizens Bank Park
TV: CSN
Weather: Sunny, 79
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Tonight: The Marlins are 3-7 in their last 10 games. The Phillies just finished a seven-game road trip and went 5-2. The Phillies are the hotter team between the two, as they will now face a team closer to their level, compared to the Atlanta Braves and St. Louis Cardinals who are toward the tops of their respective divisions.

LineupJimmy Rollins, SS/ Carlos Ruiz, C/ Chase Utley, 2B/ Ryan Howard, 1B/ Marlon Byrd, RF/  Cody Asche, 3B/ Domonic Brown, LF/ Ben Revere, CF/ Roberto Hernandez, P.

50 Comments

50 Comments

  1. Tracey

    June 23, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    Yeah, but the Phils have always risen to the challenge against the better teams. I don’t know how well they will play against the middle-of-the-road Marlins.

  2. Tracey

    June 23, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Looks like the Fish are missing some key pieces, so maybe we’ll have some luck tonight. The good kind, for a change.

    GO PHILS!!!

  3. PaMikeyDC

    June 23, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Did I miss the Ethan Martin being sent down post?

    Not huge news at all- but as newsworthy as Jay going to the MonsterMash shows?? 🙂

  4. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    That was a classy ceremony, very nice. Congrats again to JRoll.

  5. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Mikey, I read that they brought Rosenberg back to replace Martin.

  6. Scotty Ingerton

    June 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    @magelb: Jesse Biddle’s final line at AA Reading: 3 IP, 8 H, 10 R, 10 ER, 3 BB, 2 K. His ERA is 5.03.

    @ryanlawrence21: Phillies first-round pick Aaron Nola’s pro debut at Class-A Clearwater tonight: 2 1/3 IP, 3 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 1 HR

  7. Tracey

    June 23, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Ugh.

  8. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Phils caught a break there. Hernandez walking two me. Usually you pay for that.

  9. Andrew from waldorf

    June 23, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    A shutout here would end all the momentum from the 5 wins in a row.

    Come on guys

    go phils!

  10. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    The ball is just not flying out tonight.

  11. Mike in NJ

    June 23, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Phils offense back to their usual home ineptness

  12. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Leadoff man on base. Cmon Jimmy

  13. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    Crap. Nice play

  14. Mike in NJ

    June 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    WTF Chase?!? First a throwing error, then not covering 2nd on the steal.
    Now Bastardo does a crap job on the sac bunt. This could get ugly

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 23, 2014 at 10:26 pm

      Utley has played poor defense the last week. Perhaps he needs a rest. Brown is horrible you could not trade him for a bag of balls right now.

  15. Mike in NJ

    June 23, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    OMFG what is it going to take for Dom Brown to get benched?!?

    • joycedaffodil

      June 24, 2014 at 10:43 am

      We are wondering why Dom B is getting so much time to prove how poorly he can play. Watching that play last night, was painful. Once this team goes south, there is no north. Somehow they can’t get their momentum for some time.

      • schmenkman

        June 24, 2014 at 11:19 am

        I think the answer to the Dom Brown questions is that he has never been this bad, particularly at the plate — not in the minors, not in his worst slumps in the majors before this year.

        So the assumption is that he is better than he has shown and that this is a long and deep slump, and so they need him to work through that and get back to where he’s driving the ball. Having a Brown in the lineup who contributes like he did last year (overall, combining the hot streak and the rest of the year) would help this team in the coming years, even if it’s only as an asset to trade down the road.

      • Double Trouble Del

        June 24, 2014 at 5:13 pm

        I think Dom Brown is this bad. His swing, which has not changed since I watched him in Reading, is so long and looping that its a wonder he ever puts his bat on the ball at the major league level. He simply doesn’t have that kind of bat speed to compensate. His defense which is border-line to begin with, has gotten worse as his struggles at the plate continue. On the other hand, who else can they pencil in for LF, Revere?

  16. Andrew from waldorf

    June 23, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    When the Phillies are bad they are so bad.

    Its almost impossible to watch.

    The defense this inning and the 0 runs.

    Its something.

    Revere serves no purpose he needs to go.

  17. Chuck A.

    June 23, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Can we all just finally agree that Domonic Brown is really not a very good baseball player?? I mean, WHAT in the hell was that??!!

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 23, 2014 at 10:18 pm

      They are the worst all around outfield in MLB.

  18. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    And the walls come tumbling down.

  19. Tracey

    June 23, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    ugh. This game was still winnable until this disastrous 9th

  20. Andrew from waldorf

    June 23, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    grady sizemore looking good

    Brown has to hit with all the other negatives and he just isn’t hitting.

    He is a guy I could see going to another team and being an all star.

    A change of scenery is what he needs.

    and no I don’t think he will be one with the Phillies.

  21. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    That wipeout slider is a great pitch when mixed in with that much heat. Nice job Giles

  22. Chuck A.

    June 23, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    The Phillies could lose the rest of their games but as long as Ken Giles pitches I will be very entertained. Kid has some chops out there.

    • lefty

      June 23, 2014 at 10:31 pm

      We die hards gotta find the positives don’t we?

      • Chuck A.

        June 23, 2014 at 10:43 pm

        Ricky Bo sees NO positives right now. He’s as fired up on the Postgame show as I’ve ever seen him. If he could use the F word he probably would….several times.

      • schmenkman

        June 23, 2014 at 10:57 pm

        Did he drop his binky again?

      • Chuck A.

        June 23, 2014 at 11:23 pm

        That’s too funny!

  23. lefty

    June 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    My family is fineTMAC, but my faith? Not so much.

  24. Tracey

    June 23, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    This team has just ompletely lost the wind in its sail. No momentum at all. 10th shutout.

  25. Andrew from waldorf

    June 23, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    That’s 10 shutouts.

    amazing

    Amazingly bad when they are bad.

    • Scotty Ingerton

      June 23, 2014 at 11:59 pm

      And the eight shutouts at CBP are the most they’ve had at home since 1990.

      • schmenkman

        June 24, 2014 at 8:11 am

        Eight home shutouts is the most in MLB this year. Tampa Bay has 7.

        The only teams with more than 8 home shutouts over a whole season in the last 10 years:

        2013 Braves (10)
        2012 Pirates (10)
        2011 Padres (11)
        2011 Mariners (11)

        The record (since 1914 when the stats start) is 18, by the 1963 Mets, and the Phils are on pace for 17.

  26. bacardipr05

    June 24, 2014 at 1:40 am

    Slop..

  27. joycedaffodil

    June 24, 2014 at 10:49 am

    I think any Phillies fan right now is searching for any positives. Watching parts of this game last night, I wanted to use some unlady like words. I like Ricky B. I think he is brave to say he sees no positives, look at TMack the worst best brown noser to the management team. He said Dom B should have caught the ball and then corrected, “I probably shouldn’t say that.” Again his paycheck requires him to sell things, drivel on for hours and support the process. He was not so good at Trenton Thunder, why did they think he would improve in Philly?

    Gentlemen, where to start. Top, bottom, middle, outfield, tv announcer, manager, hitting coach who is next with their neck in a noose, did I forget the players?

    • schmenkman

      June 24, 2014 at 11:58 am

      Positives:

      – they’ve still won 9 of their last 14
      – the bullpen really is looking better
      – Cliff Lee appears to be on his way back
      – Hamels has been lights out
      – best of all, there’s three more months of baseball

      Maybe there are others as well.

    • Lefty

      June 24, 2014 at 1:18 pm

      I heard TMAC say that. He may have been in for a butt chewing this morning. To my knowledge every team is set up where the announcers are employees of the team, so you’re going to hear the hometown rah rah no matter where you go.

      • c. schreiber

        June 24, 2014 at 7:55 pm

        Your right on point about the “homer” announcers, Lefty. The worst of all are the two clowns for the Nationals. I live in Virginia and when I watch a Nationals game I do it with the sound off most of the game.

  28. lefty

    June 24, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Chuck A. per our discussion last week. Any chance were getting closer to agreement now that it’s time to move on and get started selling pieces to at least make an attempt to salvage future seasons? Or should we take a chance the vets in their mid thirties wont sustain injuries over the next month making them less valuable?

    • Lefty

      June 24, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      Sorry, I’m working off of two devices and the phone is a Pain I.T.A.

      Anyway, to finish, I was the most positive fan in town, but it’s become crystal clear to me that it is time to move on, past time in fact. They tried to keep it together, a valiant effort by all involved, but it’s not working and IMO it’s going to.

      • Lefty

        June 24, 2014 at 1:27 pm

        ugggghh !! “It’s NOT going to.”

      • schmenkman

        June 24, 2014 at 1:47 pm

        Look forward to Chuck’s take,but for myself, first, there’s about a month to go before anything likely happens and any decisions need to be made. If they are still hanging on at that point, they won’t be selling, and I can’t fault them for that — opportunities to make the postseason (which is all that matters IMO since any team can win once there), don’t come along every year.

        If they are out of it at that point, it depends on the offers. For Byrd/Burnett/any others of the core who may have takers, dump them for whatever you can get. For the core of Lee/Hamels/Rollins/Utley/Ruiz, if they are offered impact prospects they have to consider the deal. Otherwise I have zero interest in moving on for its own sake.

      • Lefty

        June 24, 2014 at 5:26 pm

        First and foremost, they won’t make the postseason. You’re a numbers guy- what do you think of the ESPN RPI? For the most part it mirrors winning percentage, but still, 26 out of 30 is not indicative of a playoff team in late June. If this team makes the playoffs I’ll eat my hat, big white P and all.

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi

        The reason you sell off parts is to continue to build your system, pure and simple. And even though neither of us believe the system is as depleted as some do, there is still no such thing as enough decent prospects.

        And for me anyway, the reasons you act now instead of chasing a silly dream are simple.

        For example, Chase Utley’s value cannot get higher than it was earlier this season, but if he continues to hit like he has been the last 30 games, (.236/.306/.300 ) making him the 16th best second baseman in that time period, his value will continue to go the same direction.

        Another is that you don’t want to deal in a flooded market that gets larger/smaller as the days go by depending whether you are a buyer or seller. IMO- the best chance to get good prospects is to get them first. The best chance to sell your trade-able players is also to sell them first.

    • Scotty Ingerton

      June 24, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      Everyone on the 25 man roster should be available in the right deal. It’s been pretty clear for a few years now. Including the games when they stumbled down the stretch in 2011 (10-15 in their last 25 games), they’ve gone 198-226 (.467) in their last 424 games. Over 400 games is a pretty big sample size, and it’s all been while holding out hope for one last run with the ’08 core. I hate to break the news, but that run isn’t coming. Having these same guys back again in 2015 does nothing to move the franchise forward. If you actually think they’ll help sell tickets, the numbers aren’t backing that notion up. Putting a contender on the field will sell tickets – the fans aren’t buying into the nostalgia thing right now.

      • schmenkman

        June 24, 2014 at 3:24 pm

        I don’t see how 2011 is relevant — they lost 8 straight after clinching the division, but then won the last 4 of that 102-win season, including sweeping the Barves to knock them out.

        But the point I just don’t get is the desire to “move the franchise forward” — what does this mean, specifically? Playing Hernandez instead of Utley? Galvis instead of Rollins? Why? What purpose does it serve, other than the emotional one to completely cut ties with the core? If Crawford was ready, sure. If a second base prospect was beating down the door, I could certainly understand, but without that, I don’t see the point to be honest.

        Again, if they are offered impact players in return (i.e. not “top 10” prospects like Aumont/Gillies/Ramirez), you have to seriously consider the deal. Short of that, I would much rather go see Rollins/Utley/Hamels/Lee on a day in-day out basis, and wait for the Crawfords/Francos/Nolas/etc. to develop.

      • Double Trouble Del

        June 24, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        Schmenkman, I agree completely. There are so many cheaper alternatives for teams who are buying at the deadline that I don’t see the Phils getting anything back of any kind of value. They have no players that can step in that would be even remotely interesting to watch other than Franco and he could should spend at least the rest of this year in LV to develop a consistent plate approach.

  29. Mike in NJ

    June 24, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    No point in blowing this up as long as the same idiot that got us into this mess is still running the team.

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