2014 Gameday

Gameday 102: Giants at Phillies



San Francisco Giants (57-44) at Philadelphia Phillies (43-58)

Starting Pitchers:
SFG: Tim Hudson (8-6, 2.78)
PHI: Cole Hamels (4-2, 2.83)

Time: 1:05, Citizens Bank Park
Weather: Cloudy, 79
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Tonight:

The curious case of what to do with Ryan Howard continues Thursday. The $25 million dollar (former) slugging first basemen has found himself in a platoon with Darin Ruf. Ryne Sandberg elected to go with Ruf Thursday even with Howard’s exceptional track record against Giants starter Tim Hudson. In his career Howard is hitting .328 off Hudson with 7 homeruns, and a 1.112 OPS. Reports have surfaced that the Phillies are ready to move on from Howard, and have even thought about cutting the 2006 MVP.

Cole Hamels enters Today’s game with a 2.83 ERA. He is having one of the best seasons of his career, falling only behind his 2011 year. Since June 1st the lefty ace has a 1.81 ERA, and needless to say his trade stock is very high right now. Will he get traded before the deadline? Probably not. But ESPN’s Jayson Stark said the Phillies are listening to offers for the 30 year old All Star.

Lineup: Revere CF / Rollins SS / Utley 2B / Byrd RF / Sizemore LF / Ruf 1B / Asche 3B / Nieves C / Hamels P



  1. Morris Buttermaker

    July 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Ok guys. We got a game with the Giants today. And that means one thing. Bad news for the Giants!

  2. sean

    July 24, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    In my opinion, I’d send Ryan Howard down to AAA to figure things out. He certainly isn’t figuring anything out in the Majors. If Ryan can’t get it done in AAA send him to AA. At some point, he has to start feeling comfortable at the plate.

    • Hogey's Role

      July 24, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      Yup absolutely agree with this statement…

      And if by chance he is claimed through waivers(if he’s out of options) then let some other team pay his contract

      • Lefty

        July 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm

        Funny you mention options as I was thinking about that in general the other day, not specifically about Howard. Do vets that are brought up quickly still have options- like years later?

      • Lefty

        July 24, 2014 at 3:13 pm

        Meant to say do clubs still have options on them. The business side of the sport has always been my weak side.

    • Ken Bland

      July 24, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      That’s a very convenient thought, about going to the minors, to get straight, and regain some confidence.

      And I don’t even know if that’s logistically possible with veteran status and all, let alone how godforsakenly disrespectful such a move might seem, but here’s the problem with it. Or a possible one.

      Howard’did some rehab time in recent years, whenever it was…’12, ’13, both…whichever. But when he was down there, if we can agree he had already started to decline (however much).
      And when he went down, despite having been married to his bad tendencies, he absolutely blistered MILB pitching. I looked the digits up yesterday wondering the same thing. It’d be fool’s gold.

      In other words, which you HAVE to have confidence, and there’s NO way he could have it right now, the ability to hit minor league pitching would mean next to zero when he got back to the MLB level. Night and day, day and night. I guess there’s a small percentage chance it might work, but it’s hard to see it.

    • Mike in NJ

      July 24, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      IIRC once guys have a certain number of years, they lose options

  3. Lefty

    July 24, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    I’m not buying Sandberg’s answer that he just wanted to see Ruf play two games in a row. Either he was ordered to rest him for a possible trade (doubtful) or he flat out just benched him. He managed Ruf for over a year, he’s seen him play many games in a row. Howard’s playing badly but his career numbers against Hudson are indisputable. If Sandberg is putting the best on the field to win games as he stated yesterday, then he starts Howard today.

    • Lefty

      July 24, 2014 at 2:55 pm

      Just my opinion

    • Bob in Bucks

      July 24, 2014 at 5:20 pm

      Sandberg is doing what Amaro told him to do. “Play the kids, Howard is not part of the future”.

  4. Lefty

    July 24, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Meanwhile, if Hamels is showing off his skills for scouts today, he’s going to get rave reviews.

  5. Lefty

    July 24, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Jim Johnson DFA’d . Send Billy Beane Paps for him.:-)

  6. Andrew from waldorf

    July 24, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Just release him sending him to the minors to make a side show of a minor league team is not worth it.

    Figure things out?

    He has sucked for a very long time.

    Well before the injury.

    I really don’t even factor the injury.

    The AB that defines his career for me is the one before it.

    When the Phillies were losing 1-0 and he was leading off the 7th inning. The count was 3-0.

    He swings at ball 4 and pops up.

    The other team laughed at him.

    This was before the injury.

    Ironic the next AB was the injury and the end of the Phillies run.

    But I thnk it ended the AB before and that pitch vs Brian Wilson the year before when he froze.

    Go phils!!!

    • betasigmadeltashag

      July 25, 2014 at 2:50 am

      I was going let this slide since it has been do long ago. But AFW you are such an idiot. Howard had a good year and has had some clutch big game hits. And that pop up yo talk about was a shot to the wall just missing a HR do check yourself with your hatred

  7. Andrew from waldorf

    July 24, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Any chance Giles is the closer today and not Papleblown?

    That would be nice for my fantasy team.

    • Lefty

      July 24, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      Why in the world would you think anyone would give a hoot about your fantasy team? LOL

  8. Lefty

    July 24, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Mariners got their RH power bat. One less place for Byrd to go. Kendrys Morales- in fact I think he’s a switch hitter.

  9. Andrew from waldorf

    July 24, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Do they want to totally destroy paplebombs trade value???

    I really don’t want him not traded.

    The Phillies could mess up anything.

    I put nothing past their incompetence.

    • Lefty

      July 24, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      Did you see my reply to you last night? It’s not 35 million, it’s 65 . Two more years at 25 and then the 10 buyout

      • Lefty

        July 24, 2014 at 3:36 pm

        Excuse me, 60 . Not a math wiz

  10. Lefty

    July 24, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Well if it’s his last time it was a beauty. Cole Hamels today you are the man.

  11. Lefty

    July 24, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    No they cant put Cole back out there can they? He let another great trade chip, Burnett throw 130 pitches last night. Maybe they should trade Sandberg 🙂

  12. Andrew from waldorf

    July 24, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    Wow I forgot


    I was being optimisitic.

    If they use paplebomb again

    this franchise is a disgrace and I don’t are if its 1 2 3.

    I surrender

    Throw in Sandberg as a moron too

    3 days in a row for a guy your trying to deal

    how many pitches the previous 2 days?

    I almost hope he gets hurt

    they don’t deserve anything in return for him

    disgraceful team

    I don’t care if its 1 2 3 all Ks

  13. Andrew from waldorf

    July 24, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    55 pitches the previous 2 days


    what a franchise

  14. Mike in NJ

    July 24, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    Papelbon again?!? WTF?!?

  15. Andrew from waldorf

    July 24, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    It worked out

    But Ive watched it for many years.

    Rewarding a poor decision.

    This was like pitching a starter you want to trade 175 pitches the start before the deadline.


    Winner winner
    chicken dinner!

  16. BeyondInfinity

    July 24, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Damn does this seems like a good time to trade hamels

  17. Derek Lokey

    July 24, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    I say after that performance Rube calls the Dodgers and says
    “Did you see what Cole just did to the Giants, your biggest competition? How about we send him your way and you send back Pederson, Arias and (insert other prospect here) maybe Zach Lee”

    • Double Trouble Del

      July 24, 2014 at 9:57 pm

      The Dodgers are unwilling to include Pederson in their trade discussions with Tampa for David Price who comes younger and cheaper than Hamels.

      • Derek Lokey

        July 25, 2014 at 6:36 am

        They’re unwilling to include both Pederson AND Seager in a trade for Price

      • Hogey's Role

        July 25, 2014 at 7:41 am

        Derek is correct here, but I wonder if they would include both for cole being that he’s locked up for another 5 years

  18. Ken Bland

    July 24, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    Cole is 5-5 now. Here’s a few comp numbers with all-star Alfredo Simon YTD. Simon’s 12-4.

    IP – Hamels by 1 inning, 1 less start.

    Cole’s given up 3 more hits.

    Simon’s walked 10 fewer hitters. His ratio is 1 every 4 innings, so it’s not like Hamels is bad in that area.

    ERA’s run 2.72 and 2.74.

    Cole has 40 more K’s. Sign of Simon walking on luck? Could be.

    Simon leads by 3 in quality starts. The measure of a quality start is horrible, but since it applies to both, it’s at least somewhat relavant. Speaks maybe to Hamels having thrown some really excellent games when he’s been on.

    But that 12 wins to 5 is a killer. Hamels is pretty peripheral focused, but I’d think he’d like to be closer to another guy having a fine year. Duh.

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