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Gameday 108: Phillies vs. Mets

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Philadelphia Phillies (47-60) at New York Mets (51-56)

Starting Pitchers:
NYM: Zach Wheeler (5-8, 3.64)
PHI: Kyle Kendrick (5-10, 4.87)

Time: 12:10, Citi Field
Weather: 78, Sunny
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Today:

Following last night’s superb performance from Cole, Kyle Kendrick will have to try and do the same. And he’s always getting himself into trouble in the early innings. And at this point, how much does the game mean? We’re keeping an eye on the trade deadline.

Lineup:  Revere CF / Sizermore LF / Utley 2B / Howard 1B /  Byrd RF / Asche 3B / Nieves C / Blanco SS / Kendrick P



  1. Ken Bland

    July 30, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Let’s start the day game thread on a positive note.

    Daytime baseball.

  2. Ken Bland

    July 30, 2014 at 11:56 am

    The obligatory positivity in place, couple of fire em up quotes grabbing attention today.

    We cited Matt Gelb’s dash with massive sarcasm the other day. The one where he mentioned Rube got his gig because he was good at negotiating contracts. Or words awfully close to it.

    Smokey Robinson must have had Rube in mind when he baned out “I Second that Emotion*”
    The view of Joe Posnaski

    .Some years ago, I named particularly terrible baseball contracts “Ricciardis” after former Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi, who seemed particularly skilled at giving them out. However, in retrospect, I may have been unduly harsh toward Ricciardi. What Ruben Amaro has done in Philadelphia deserves its own place in the Bad Contract Hall of Fame.

    Rolling right along, this gem appeared in the NYDN today. Check it out.

    These are the Phillies, otherwise known as a once-mighty team looking to sell. We mentioned to a Phils person on Tuesday that the club might need several years to get back to contention; that person lifted an eyebrow and said, “at least.”
    Course Phillies person could include anyone from a front office member bucking for Rube’s gig all the way up to one of the clubhouse peeps.

    I did say up, didn’t I? We could probably figger out who it is based on who has eyebrows, and who doesn’t, or ask SAFW to risk his sparkling purrdictions history to see if he can nail it. That’s Soothsayer Andrew From Waldorf, if you be scoring at home.

    But what a harsh statement from an internal type, depending on how much weight they have in the franchise.

    • Tracey

      July 30, 2014 at 12:43 pm

      See, I thought “Phillies person” meant “random fan on the street wearing a Phillies cap or t-shirt,” because that scenario sounds like what I hear every day.

      • Ken Bland

        July 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm

        You could be right.

        The reason I took it to mean someone with the team was the generic quality of the word “person” stood out, but the word “fan” wasn’t used, so I assumed it was a Phils employee. And it’s not newsworthy since it was just an opinion, but if it was an employee, it was a rather outspoken statement. The degree of conviction by an assumed person of some weight made it seem a little interesting.

  3. Scotty Ingerton

    July 30, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    “There hasn’t been a GM under this much pressure to make multiple deadline deals in a decade. Under Amaro’s stewardship, the Phillies are an aging last-place club plotting a rebuild. They are loaded with tradable veteran players: Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, A.J. Burnett, Antonio Bastardo, Jonathan Papelbon, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins and Marlon Byrd. If they don’t get something exciting done over the next few days, Amaro will come under fire.

    Of course, trading many of these guys is easier said than done thanks to a slew of no-trade provisions, bad contracts and vesting options. However, the Phillies MUST make some moves to get better, even if that means they’ll have to eat the majority of a contract, or persuade players verbally and financially to waive no-trade clauses. There’s no strategy here that should be left off the table, including getting on their hands and knees to beg and plead.

    Amaro has to look at the situation and realize what the difference is between paying for these players to play for him or for another team. As long as the Phillies get good prospects making the minimum in return, he shouldn’t be too worried. Their dollars already have been committed to aforementioned players. One way or another, they’ll have to live up to the responsibility of paying each player their salary. They’d just be wise to add a few prospects and get younger while they do so.

    Thankfully, the market couldn’t be any better. With so many buyers and so few sellers, the Phillies have an opportunity to own the market. They’ve seen the tremendous returns other teams have gotten on the open market already this summer. They should be primed to make a deal, if not more than one.”

    • frank

      July 30, 2014 at 12:26 pm

      This is absolutely wrong what the all around bad moves or non moves done by Amado. From contracts to bad player moves. This team had been respected, like the Yankees are respected and one person ruined that and now the fans, who were selling out every game have to pay the price. I fear this is going to be like the 70,s for quite a while.

      • schmenkman

        July 30, 2014 at 12:37 pm

        A little balance though: it’s quite possible there are no more postseason appearances after 2008, and therefore no more shots at winning it all, without Amaro’s “win now” moves.

      • frank

        July 30, 2014 at 12:45 pm

        Sure, I totally agree. My point is if another g.m. was at the helm, I believe this run would have been long and fun.

      • schmenkman

        July 30, 2014 at 12:59 pm

        @Frank, probably, but it depends on which GM, and what their strategy was.

        If the Phils were somehow lucky enough to have one of the top 5 in the game, they could have walked the line better better between winning now with the ’08 core, while not mortgaging the future.

        With most GMs, if they had made the same choice to try to wring one more championship out of the core, I am not sure results would have been much different.

        If those same GMs (or Amaro) had decided that it’s better to win long term without trying to secure more playoff appearances for the current core, they would certainly be in a better position today.

        Remember that the ’08 Phillies (both their pitching and their position players) were the second oldest team in the NL, with every starter already over 30 by the time the ’09 season began, except for Vic (28), Howard (29), and Werth (turned 30 in May ’09).

        And I think if they had won it again in either 2009, 2010, or 2011, we’d view the moves that got them there (and here) more favorably.

      • Tracey

        July 30, 2014 at 1:03 pm

        It WAS long and fun. We had five playoff appearances in a row, including a World Series win. We’ve never done anything like that before. The closest we ever came to that was late ’70s / early ’80s when we had 6 playoff appearances in 8 years with one World Series win.

        The upsetting thing is that we took such a sudden and extreme drop: from a record number of wins in 2011 to a .500 winning percentage third place to fourth place and now fifth. It’s very upsetting for those who aren’t used to having a last place team.

  4. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    KK got through 3 innings without giving up a run. Surprising….
    … or did I just jinx it?

  5. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Not jinxed yet !

    Kyle, it’s too late to prove your value for trading purposes. You’re stuck with us.

  6. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 1:57 pm


  7. Souled0ut1

    July 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    We’re stuck with him. Kendrickian inning.

  8. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Ugh. Kendrick was so solid for the first few innings and now he’s falling apart.

  9. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 2:21 pm


    … but we still are 2 runs behind…

    • Tracey

      July 30, 2014 at 2:22 pm

      (and even more woo hoo: Kendrick, like JRoll’s hit, is outta here… at least for this game)

  10. Morris Buttermaker

    July 30, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    I have a good friend who is a Mets fan. I remember a few years ago he told me what he hated most about the Phillies. He said for years, the Phillies would be down by 3 runs in the 7th inning. And each and every player on the Phillies had a look in his eyes that said, “We have them right where we want them”. And that 75% of the time, the Phillies would come back and win the game.

    I haven’t seen that look in years. And I’m not seeing it now.

  11. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Yeah, there was a time when the game wasn’t over until the last pitch was thrown. Now the game is often over before the first inning ends. I’m pretty confident it’s long over now.

    • Morris Buttermaker

      July 30, 2014 at 2:59 pm


      I just went for a quick shower. What on earth happened?

      • Tracey

        July 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm

        The Phillies happened.

        5-3 (1 out)
        Intentional walk
        RBI Single
        RBI Double
        Error charged to the pitcher. Run scores.
        K (2 out)
        K (3 out)


      • Tracey

        July 30, 2014 at 3:06 pm

        (those last two singles had RBIs too)

  12. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    We keep digging deeper into that hole…

  13. Andrew from waldorf

    July 30, 2014 at 3:02 pm


    and the mets actually have a plan for the future.

    Even with Madoff decimating them.

    Amaro and the powers that be are worse than Madoff.

    At least Madoff is in jail.

  14. Double Trouble Del

    July 30, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    That feeling kind of picked up and left with Victorino.

    • Morris Buttermaker

      July 30, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      You are absolutely right. I’m pretty sure Shane’s ADHD brain didn’t really understand numbers. So he always just figured “Hit the ball, run fast!’ throughout the entire game.

      I miss him. At least he was fun.

    • schmenkman

      July 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      I think it’s simple:

      When you a) hit well in general, and b) have a good bullpen, you won’t allow the other team to continue pulling ahead, and occasionally you will score enough to mount a comeback.

      When you have neither “a” nor “b”, comebacks are going to be very few and far between.

  15. Tracey

    July 30, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    1-2-3. The Phils have already mentally packed up and gone home.

  16. Chris

    July 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Another gem from Kendrick.

  17. Morris Buttermaker

    July 30, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Comcast has some amazing technology. I imagine they can determine the exact number of people watching the game right now.

    Everytime Phillipe Aumont comes into the game, everybody should get a dollar off their cable bill for the month.

  18. Andrew from waldorf

    July 30, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    I did pick up Duda this week in fantasy.

    Too bad their series with the Phillies is over.

  19. photoFred

    July 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    The bullpen version of “Bad Hair Day.”

  20. Morris Buttermaker

    July 30, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    Phillipe Aumont makes the facial expressions of a man who just ate at Arby’s but now has a 6 hour drive ahead of him.

  21. Double Trouble Del

    July 30, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Cherington on the move RAJ just watching. Lee to Cards in August? Maybe? No July moves? At all?

    • Morris Buttermaker

      July 30, 2014 at 3:46 pm

      Watching Aumont pitch there reaffirms my belief that Amaro should not be allowed to trade Cliff Lee.

  22. Double Trouble Del

    July 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    The really sad part is going to come when Aumont is released and some other club with actual developmental skills fixes him.

  23. Double Trouble Del

    July 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    PS Bob McClure should be relieved of his duties promptly.

  24. Hogey's Role

    July 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Mariners out of the Byrd sweepstakes, however the Yankees have interest…

  25. Carlos

    July 30, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    These guys should have to come out onto the field in a clown car. It hurts too much to laugh.

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