Report: Nine Teams Clear of Hamels’ NTC – Phillies Nation

Report: Nine Teams Clear of Hamels’ NTC

Buried yesterday among news and notes was a pair of tweets from Jon Morosi. Those tweets revealed the nine teams that Phillies’ lefty Cole Hamels could be traded to without his consent. This list includes locations near his childhood home like the Dodgers, Angels, and Padres, usual contenders like the Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox, and Rangers, and two NL East rivals, the Nationals and Braves.

Analysis: The list comes at an interesting time. General Manager Ruben Amaro has said that no player is untouchable and has all but guaranteed that some sort of change is coming during interviews yesterday. It is been of long-standing belief that the Dodgers have had interest in Hamels in their rotation and it was believed that Hamels had interest in joining either the Angels or the Dodgers had he become a free agent based on the proximity to his childhood home. That being said, the news was likely in response to Morosi being tweeted about Hamels’ availability/NTC situation.

Interestingly enough, the list might as well be shaved down to seven teams. While Atlanta and Washington have a slew of prospects of varying degrees of Major League readiness and potential and would make perfect sense from that stand point, it is difficult to see the Phillies trading Hamels within the division.



  1. Sebas

    July 9, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    I have trouble finding any credibility in this article in which the writer does not proofread it to see that he used “two” rather than “to.” Lazy!

    • Don M

      July 9, 2014 at 4:57 pm

      because that’s the important part of this article, right?

      • Sebas

        July 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm

        No, it’s about credibility as a journalist. He also points to RAJ’s comments yesterday which were pointed at the offense, not our ace. I don’t see Hamels getting traded and I just found this article worthless. It’s making a story out of absolutely nothing, just like journalists love to do. Yes, we need to make some trades but because someone tweets his NTC exceptions does not mean we should read anything into that. Just surprised he gets paid to give us this amazing analysis.

      • Ian Riccaboni

        July 9, 2014 at 5:28 pm

        With all due respect, please listen to both radio stations’ interviews. Nobody is untouchable. The comments were not directed at just the offense. Those comments, as well as the exact nine teams Hamels’ would not require some sort of approval to be traded to, were indeed burried after Amaro and Mikey Miss got into a sizable tussle.


        Ian “Laughing All the Way to the Bank” Riccaboni, America’s Only Paid and Super Rich Blogger

      • schmenkman

        July 9, 2014 at 5:36 pm

        First, if you have commented often I apologize as I haven’t seen your name, but to use your phrase I have trouble finding credibility when the only time I’ve seen it, it’s when pointing out a minor typo, rather than contributing to discussion.

        Secondly, the title should have been clear enough to allow you to avoid spending time reading it.

        Finally, I don’t know about PN in particular, but writers on blogs like these typically are paid very little or not at all, but fit in these responsibilities (as their work/school/familty schedules allow) for the fun and pleasure of it.

      • Ian Riccaboni

        July 9, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        As Schmenkman suggests, while I am a fully credentialed member of the media of more than one team, I often write these articles in a steady state of rushed behavior, cramming them in between my day job, my family, among other things. It can be extremely difficult to execute these things perfectly when trying to give 100% when I only have 10% time. I can tell you that one of staff has an advanced degree from an Ivy League institution but is typo-prone because of this very issue.

        That being said, I share these types of stories because they are interesting to some, I love discussing them with the “commenteriat” here at PN, and because not everyone is a die-hard Phillies fan and may only check the site every few days.

        I do this because I love to do it and any money or other media appearances are just a bonus. I did this before I came to PN and I hope to continue to write, even recreationally, after as well.

        I appreciate you coming to the site, Sebas. I hope to see your name in the comments again soon.

  2. Don M

    July 9, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    I agree, but it’s also a blog – so maybe don’t take it too seriously. Sharing the just released list of teams a valuable player on our team can be traded to- is news – and is news that should be shared with Phillies fans. I strongly disagree that this article is worthless, but I agree that we need to make some trades

    • Sebas

      July 9, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      Fair enough, but it’s a list that has been released before and has not changed. He was insinuating that that it was buried but it was buried because it’s old news. I hope we aren’t desperate enough to trade Cole.

      • Don M

        July 9, 2014 at 5:47 pm

        That list (which changes each year when players have a no-trade clause) was just made public yesterday i believe. So it hasn’t been released before….. so it’s new news.. Cole Hamels is probably the player that teams desire most from this organization – so if a team is willing to woo them with prospects, the Phillies would be foolish not to listen

  3. Lefty

    July 9, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Thank you Ian,
    I, and many of us that live outside the Philadelphia area, might NOT have seen this list if you were not kind enough to inform us.

  4. PaMikeyDC

    July 9, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    C’mon @seabass. This is a great site. That a few years ago got rid of all the knuckleheads.

    Odd that you pointed that out. Quite weird actually.

    Anyways- PN, love u guys. After my Bible app, you’re my second read every single day.

  5. Scotty Ingerton

    July 9, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Bowden’s perspective:

    “Philadelphia Phillies-Los Angeles Dodgers

    Phillies receive: CF Joc Pederson, LHP Julio Urias and INF Alex Guerrero

    Dodgers receive: LHP Cole Hamels

    Hamels has a limited no-trade clause that includes 21 teams he cannot be dealt to. However, he has pre-approved eight teams, and the Dodgers are believed to be on that short list. Imagine a Dodgers rotation of Kershaw, Greinke, Hamels, Hyun-Jin Ryu and Josh Beckett (when he returns). Hamels, 30, has proven to be a good postseason pitcher and boasts a 7-4 record with a 3.09 ERA and 1.05 WHIP in 13 playoff starts. He would immediately make the Dodgers the World Series favorites.

    The Phillies, meanwhile, are in desperate need of a rebuild, and Pederson would be a major step in the right direction. He’d immediately become their best prospect, and many believe he’s major league-ready. He could take over any of the three outfield positions. Pederson currently sports a .319/.437/.568 line at Triple-A, with 11 doubles, 3 triples, 17 home runs, 42 RBIs and 20 stolen bases.

    Urias, 17, would become the Phillies’ best pitching prospect. He would need a good three or four years of development before he can help the team, but he has plenty of upside. Alex Guerrero missed time earlier this season after teammate Miguel Olivo bit off part of his ear, but he’s back now and is sporting a .376/.417/.735 line at Triple-A. He could play second base or shortstop if Chase Utley or Jimmy Rollins were traded. He could also be used as a trade piece, as teams such as the Orioles, Blue Jays, A’s and Giants could all use an upgrade.

    This would certainly be an unpopular deal for the Phillies to make, but the rebuilding process needs to begin sooner rather than later.”

    • Hogey's Role

      July 9, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      Based off of the talent we would get back and the fact a rebuild is long over due, I’d pull the trigger on this deal right now!!!

    • Joefa

      July 10, 2014 at 11:11 am


      I pointed out Pederson as a prospect to acquire 2 years ago when they dealt Victorino to LA. He has exploded as hitter in the past 2 seasons and most likely would be the guy to acquire.

      However, I do not think that the Dodgers need Hamels to get themselves to the WS. It appears to me that the NL is weak enough for them to have enough right now. Do you really think that they would give up that much for Cole, especially considering his contract status?

      Additionally, the rumors all have LA looking to dump Eithier and Kemp after this season. It’s possible that Pederson has played his way into their plans for next year and might just be untouchable for now.

      • Don M

        July 10, 2014 at 12:36 pm

        I thought the same thing, but then I remembered that it’s the Dodgers and they want a winner BADLY ….. it doesn’t seem that they need him now, but Beckett is in the final year of his deal, Dan Haren has a vesting option for next season that kicks in if he reaches 180 innings pitched (currently at 108) ..

        I wouldn’t say its likely that the Dodgers trade for a pitcher, but I also wouldn’t be surprised at all. …and the Phillies would NEED a huge haul of Top Prospects to make the deal. Pederson would be a tremendous upgrade to the organization starting a rebuild

  6. Jael

    July 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    The only player I trade id Roberto Hernandez I do not know why the phillies sign him.
    This be my keeper one .cliff lee. 2.Cole Hamels .3. Kyle.4 Aj Burnett. 5 . David Buchanan this is my list of players need to stay

  7. George

    July 9, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    It amazes me sometimes that one moron complaining about a simple typo can dominate the comments.

    Personally, I don’t give a crap about people like Sebas, who obviously have no clue as to what constitutes news, about the role of bloggers, or that even PAID journalists make errors that sometimes their PAID editors and proofreaders miss.

    Getting back to Hamels, I find that his team choices are interesting. He obviously wants to win by not excluding perennial contenders, but he’s still willing to go to a crummy team if it’s close to his home. I doubt the Phils will trade him at this point, because I’m thinking the front office still has pipe dreams about contending again before Hamels’ extension runs out. The only way I see that changing is if Hamels demands a trade when he realizes the Phils are in last place again in 2015.

    As important as Hamels might be to the Phils’ chances in the next couple of years, he’s the only player (in my opinion) that could be traded for enough good prospects to launch a decent rebuild.

  8. jake

    July 10, 2014 at 5:24 am

    If the prospect haul were great, I’d trade Hamels within the division. The Phillies need all the help they can get and it’s unlikely they will be serious contenders for some time. Its not like they will be facing Hamels in the NLCS for the next three years if they trade him to the Braves. Get the most you can for him and move on.

  9. Walter kopko

    November 10, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    Why would you trade your ace for at least 4 years.He should build around him like they did Carlton

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