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Stark: Byrd, Burnett Tough to Move

Yesterday on 97.5 the Fanatic, my prestigious co-host, Jayson Stark, spoke at length about the Phillies trade deadline options. It’s not pretty, as you should well know. You can hear the entire hour of baseball greatness here. Below are some excerpts.

-Marlon Byrd is the best bat on the market according to Stark, but his no-trade clause and 2016 option is holding up a trade. Kansas City and Seattle both had interest, and both happen to be on his ridiculous four-team NTC. For him to waive the NTC, he needs his option, two years from now, picked up. Both teams seemingly have no interest in doing so for a late-30’s power hitter.

-AJ Burnett was awful against the Mets on Monday, damaging his trade value further in the process. The Pirates have been considered a viable option in a trade, however, as Stark points out, Burnett wants his 2015 option picked up before OK’ing a deal. Pittsburgh can’t afford that and want Burnett to assure them he will retire so that the option isn’t an issue, which they cannot afford under their financial structure.

-Stark said Cole Hamels was like his friends beach house. It had a FOR SALE sign on the lawn, but when Stark asked his friend about the sign, the owner said it was “priced not to sell.” The Phillies are hoping a team blows them away with a considerable – and likely unachievable offer – or else they aren’t dealing him.



  1. mudmin

    July 29, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Even at a time when we’re obvious sellers we manage to screw this up in any way possible.

    How the heck can a guy with a no trade clause to only 4 teams manage to pick 2 of the teams that want him for his list?

    Why do our pitchers have to implode when half the scouts in baseball are looking at them?

    How does every contract manage to have one clause that is screwing us?

    • schmenkman

      July 29, 2014 at 9:25 am

      It does seem coincidental, but maybe Byrd put teams on his NTC that were interested in him last winter, and who would be possible buyers come July.

      As for pitchers imploding at the wrong time, that can’t help, but any decent scout or GM would look past that tiny sample in forming an opinion.

      I’m holding off on any “screw up” claims until Thursday at 4. Let’s hope Amaro is holding out for the best deal he can get.

    • Bob Pierson

      July 31, 2014 at 12:19 am

      Amaro and his contracts have really dug a hole for us Phili fans. I say get rid of these guys for something or maybe a nothing. Because what we have now and will have next year is a NOTHING!!!!!!!! anyway.

  2. Jael

    July 29, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Look if trade cole hamels we be no good next year so we need keep cole hamels build around him he’s a teacher

    • Hogey's Role

      July 29, 2014 at 9:24 am

      Yes he will be the difference of whether or not we are good next year…

      We are gonna suck whether he is hear or not…

  3. Hogey's Role

    July 29, 2014 at 9:27 am

    I think it is smart what we are doing with cole hamels… We should be blown away to deal a top 10 pitcher in the league who has a very reasonable contract… 3 top prospects is a reasonable asking price..

    • wbramh

      July 29, 2014 at 2:35 pm

      Hogey – I agree that 3 top prospects is a fair asking price but not when combined with picking up Cole’s entire contract. That’s a lot of money to guarantee in an age when 50% of these guys are getting injured in any one year.

      I’m not sure Jason is correct in suggesting the Phillies asking price proves they’re not interested in moving Cole unless a team is ridiculously desperate for his services. The Phillies may just be throwing out raw bait with no expectation to move Cole until potential trade partners are more sure of their own chances for the off-season… and know their weaknesses at that point.The Phils’ current asking price (which is somewhat outlandish compared to the estimated asking prices of other top pitchers on the market) will likely (hopefully) soften a bit when some team is more sure of contending in late August. Thena buyer would be more likely to come up in price.

      I would think that the three seriously top prospects in a top organization may be worth paying $10 mil apiece against Cole’s remaining contract. So if the Phillies shaved about $30 mil of the $80 mil nut (I think it’s $80 mil) that would seem like a good deal to me. Of course, the disadvantage of a long term contract for the Phils could easily be an advantageous to a team who expects to be in contention and remain there for a few years.

      IMO, the Phillies should trade Hamels if the price is right but only because the team will probably not be in a position to contend for another five years. Hamels will be 35-years-old by then and close to hanging it up – if not already retired. They desperately need a bunch of 20-year-old kids with high promise. I’d rather see them forced to pick up more of his salary and get at least 3 young hotshots in return – or 2 and a very high draft pick. Moving him for cap space alone would be a waste of his better worth.

      • schmenkman

        July 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm

        wb, I disagree on the contract — it’s a fair one, and the trade partner should pick up all of it in addition to giving up top prospects.

      • Hogey's Role

        July 29, 2014 at 6:05 pm

        Yeah cole is worth everything he makes and then some… And to trade three top prospects and pick up all that money for cole hamels is worth it in my opinion, and I’m sure if a team, like the dodgers, get to the point where they think cole is the last ticket they would need to punch to get to the World Series, I think they make the deal 10 out of 10 times….

        Whether or not they will think that is another conversation however…

  4. PaMikeyDC

    July 29, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Trade AJ for Vance Worley, who is having himself a nice season. A CG 4hit shoutout last night for the former Phil. Aka Vanimal

    • Hogey's Role

      July 29, 2014 at 9:39 am

      I do miss the vanimal

    • schmenkman

      July 29, 2014 at 9:40 am

      I wouldn’t do that if I were the Pirates…

    • Scott Culpepper

      July 29, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      Why in the world would the Pirates do that ??? (here’s a hint: They wouldn’t).

  5. Scotty Ingerton

    July 29, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Since Vance Worley is having a nice season and is young and inexpensive (and under team control for three more seasons), why would the Pirates trade him for an injured 37 year old starter who is making a lot of money including a messy option for next year? It won’t happen.

    The rebounds that Trevor May and Worley have had this season are making the Ben Revere trade look pretty bad.

  6. bacardipr05

    July 29, 2014 at 10:04 am

    But of course they want their options to be picked up.

    • Lefty

      July 29, 2014 at 10:56 am

      Exactly right IMO. They signed with this team, and this contract. If Marlon Byrd really wanted to play for the Mariners or Royals, he would have signed to play there. He didn’t, he signed to play here- to this deal.

      I hope he stays, I like the home grown guys.

  7. PaMikeyDC

    July 29, 2014 at 10:28 am

    @ScottyIngerton and @Schmenkman, I was totally kidding around.

  8. Double Trouble Del

    July 29, 2014 at 11:14 am

    David Murphy again suggests that many of that many of the players who the team has made available would fetch a better return in the off-seaso

  9. mudmin

    July 29, 2014 at 11:24 am

    As bad as it is, the team can afford the payroll…so we only need to make deals that give the team a chance of being better in the future. If we trade cole, it better be for a LOT. You could blow the team up and we’d still have him under contract long enough to be a help in the future. Not to mention having his influence on the team in the mean time.

  10. Don M

    July 29, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Not that there is a trade market for him anyway – but how about Papelbon saying that he’d only waive his no-trade clause to go to a team where he be anything less than a full-time closer.

    If i’m the Phillies i’d make the announcement today that Giles is our new closer and Papelbon (due to lack of velocity) is our setup man… force Papelbon’s hand.

    Also, its looking more and more likely that Bastardo is the only player traded at the deadline.

    • Lefty

      July 29, 2014 at 12:36 pm

      Screw the announcement, just let him sit, stew, and wonder why. Maybe he’ll figure out that the best way to communicate is to the manager and front office, not the press.

      Nah, that probably won’t work.

  11. Ken Bland

    July 29, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    I’m a little puzzled by some of the media reports emanating (merci, spell check) from the trade deadline circles across the globe. Perhaps I’m in over my head taking this slant based on concentrating on Phillie stuff.

    Seems like 3 times a day, I read anonymous comments from rival executives evaluating Rubie baby’s philosophy. Time after time, I keep reading about his overvaluing his players, or along the same lines, not demonstrating a clear plan.

    Maybe these execs are commenting on some, many, or hell, all of their co-workers approach.
    I’ll pass on reading in detail every publication that resulted in Horace Greely’s timing the start of a lot of newspapers as we headed west.

    I mean, it makes for great gossip, and the protection of anonymity allows for some loose lippage, but what qualifies a GM to pass judgment (thank you spell check) on a co-worker’s thang (no comment spell check), particularly since action or not, you can bet your sweet bippie that every GM in the fraternity has a minimum of 10 things at least cooking. Seems like Anonymous the Clown oughta mind his own beezwacks and not worry about what Rube’s doing. There are already more than enough society members doing that without fellow GMs adding to the populous. Guess I can’t fault the Olney types massively for reporting it, cause those wastefully entrenched in this rhetoric (semi-guilty, your honor) are at the front of the line appealing to the timekeepers for more than 24 hours in a day.

    Rube got enough image problemmas (gracias, spellcheck) without the fraternity passing judgment on his approach. Who cares if he’s stupider, and not just stupid? Sadly, the answer to that IS higher than it should be, and by his absence in the count, ladies and gentlemen, say hello to David Montgomery.

    It’s for semi sure that Rube ain’t (hello, grammar check) reading the papers to learn his craft from other GMS cirriculuming (can’t touch that one, spell check) Liquidity Season 101.

    tags: passing judgment on the judges, thank you note to spell check, multi-language communication.

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