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Gameday 112: Phillies at Nationals

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Philadelphia Phillies (49-62) at Washington Nationals (59-49)

Starting Pitchers:
WAS: Stephen Strasburg (7-9, 3.55 ERA)
vs.
PHI: Cole Hamels (6-5, 2.55 ERA)

Time: 1:35, Nationals Park
TV: CSN
Weather: Overcast, chance of thunderstorm, 81
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Today:  After Friday’s squeaker and Saturday’s blowout, the aces are on the hill for today’s rubber match.

Lineup:  Revere CF / Rollins SS / Utley 2B / Howard 1B / Byrd RF / Sizemore LF / Nieves C / Asche 3B /Hamels P

88 Comments

88 Comments

  1. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Another must win game for the Phillies.

    If it was 2007 rollins Utley Howard hitting 2,3 and 4 would look nice.

    But its 2014.

    Is there anyone who values their own players more than Amaro?

    LOL

    I wonder what the moron told Paplebum about contending next year?

    Yea those guys are good.

    Close your eyes and tap your shoes 3 times and you will be in 2007.

  2. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Well, we got through an inning without giving up a run. That’s an improvement.

  3. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Cole is looking fabulous today, and I think the Nats used up their weekend allowance of runs yesterday, so LET’S GO PHILS!!!

  4. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Argh.

  5. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    OK, that’s not too bad, but we seriously need to get some offense going for Cole.

  6. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    So who is the fifth starter? What’s that? They still don’t have one? Not possible! This is a major league ball club with a multi-level farm system right?
    But wait there is a new Hector someone here, another reliever- but hey he started one game this year so he’s all stretched out if Cole gets hurt. (God forbid)

  7. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    I guess I just will never understand the strategy. All right get it started Jimmy.

  8. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Anyone know why the TV for DC last night had the Phillies broadcasters?

    We are still pretending like this is a major league team ( $180,000,000.00 pay roll not withstanding) ?

    • Lefty

      August 3, 2014 at 2:31 pm

      I pulled the plug on the truck so they switched temporarily. It didn’t work for long but just having that short time without “Carp” was worth it.

    • Tracey

      August 3, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      But seriously … they said on the broadcast that the DC station was having technical difficulties so they used the Philly feed.

  9. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Nice Jimmy. The only thing this club does well is steal bases. Gotta enjoy what we can.

  10. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Argh the Sequel

  11. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Andrew I’m the fifth starter today if they need a long man. I live 90 minutes from the stadium if they need me for the sixth inning.

  12. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    At my age I can still wing my fastball in there at – I dont know, maybe 59 mph.

  13. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Wow Carp just told me Howard is slugging .345 vs right handed pitching.

    I didn’t even know.

    amazing

    I do buy your theory about Amaro being a patsy.

    It is the only thing that makes sense.

    Its impossible for it to be him being this stupid and ownership being ok with it.

    Someone above him is making these moves.

    Has to be.

    Who else would hit a guy slugging 345 vs righties 4th?

    And its been years now.
    Years

  14. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    But my 37 mph change up will have them way out in front.

  15. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    If you are pitching I want to play first.

    And the Phillies will suck about the same level as now.

  16. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    I’m thinking they need to pull Jamie down from the broadcast booth and use him as the fifth starter. Their moves during the off-season show that age is not an issue for the Phils.

  17. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    If I trained for 6 months could I slug .345?

    Buddy Biancalana slugged 293 career

  18. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Lary Bowa Slugged .320 career

    Ben Revere is slugging 363 this year.

    OK I give up

    Thanks Carp

  19. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    ok last one

    Manny Trillo

    .345 for his career

    Isnt it ironic

  20. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    They could have paid Hunter Pence instead of Howard and taught him to play first. He’s killing it in SF and has a world championship to show for it too. Today he has a homer, a double, 3 RBIand two runs scored. Batting leadoff all year, slugging better than our clean up man.

  21. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Carlos Zambrano .388 career slugging
    Dontrelle Willis .376 career slugging
    Ken ( not George) Brett ,406 career slugging

  22. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    It is simply inexplicable that Amaro has not brought a fifth starter in. In-freaking-explicable.

    • Andrew from waldorf

      August 3, 2014 at 2:59 pm

      You have a left handed first baseman slugging .340 vs Righites who hits 4th every day.

      How in explicable is that?

      I guess because of the great defense and the fine base running though it makes up for it.

  23. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Guess who Pence is against this week I fantasy?

    the Phils have rubbed off on my fantasy team too.

    I am going to lose that bet and I lose it very seldomly

  24. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Early Thursday evening he knew he needed another starter. It’s Sunday and still no replacement. He’s the general manager of the ballclub and I ask every day- where is the fifth starter? It bit him in the butt last night and he still didn’t bring a legit stretched out starting pitcher from his multi- level farm system.
    Maybe he’s trying to get fired??

    • Hogey's Role

      August 3, 2014 at 6:55 pm

      I think he’s been trying for 5 years lol

  25. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Im just asking the question. I wish Salisbury or one of them would ask. If you are a poor judge of talent or not good with finances that’s bad, but there is no excuse for being shorthanded and allowing what happened last night.

  26. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    I dont like the way Revere turned that ankle.

  27. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    I don’t think many people care anymore.

    When was the last time I had a Howard rant?

    I didn’t even know that happened last night.

    I give up on winning my Mets bet for the next few years.

    He cant even unload players.

    Its a disgrace franchise.

    My answer is no one cares.

  28. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    WHEW!!! Still 1-0. Still salvageable.

    (not likely, but possible)

  29. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Byrd is a major league level player.

    So theres that

  30. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    The other teams enjoy playing ( beating up on) the Philles too.

    So there is that.

  31. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    I am guessing Lefty has the Nattitude right about now

  32. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    (sigh) We’re toast

  33. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Just finished my home PT. I didn’t see, Rendon just drove in a run? He’s really good, kid can play.

  34. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    Why was Hamels pulled?

  35. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    (sigh) What’s the deal with Giles? He used to be solid.

  36. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    I had actually stashed Giles in fantasy.

    I mean he was going to be the closer when Paplebomb was dealt.

    How could paplebum not be traded?

    Its impossible for him to not be dealt?

    I did drop him last night luckily.

    You old guys tell me in the 69s when the team was the worst.

    Did the front office give effort?

    This front office does not.

  37. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    PT

    Phillies Trashing?

  38. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Had my knee replaced. That’s the reason I’m here for every game really.

  39. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    I’m a long-time Phillies fan. Suffering is second nature.

  40. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Bryce Harper will limit the Nationals.

    He never learned the fundamentals and he believes his own hype.

    I am glad he is not a Phillie

    • Hogey's Role

      August 3, 2014 at 6:57 pm

      I agree with you on this Andrew, I’m not real impressed with him at all

  41. Lefty

    August 3, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Can’t do much of anything else. But I could be the fifth starter.(suuuuure)

  42. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Oh good grief.

  43. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    I get the baseball package.

    It pays for itself with other games I watch and enjoy.

    I feel obligated to watch the Phillies.

    Its just amazing the level of bad though.

    I saw it coming for years.

    but to just keep all your players at the deadline?

    Its unfathomable

    180,000,000.00$ someone must want some of your scrubs

  44. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    They cant even throw the ball to the catcher and have him catch it now.

  45. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    This is disgraceful. Hamels pitched beautifully, the only run he gave up got on base on an error, and now the Gnats score 3 runs with only one out.

    • Lefty

      August 3, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      Poor guy can’t catch a break.

  46. Chuck A.

    August 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    My first game in two weeks as I was put of the area and had zero access. It’s kind of like a soap opera…leave it alone for a time and when you come back to it the plot is basically right where you left it…

    • Lefty

      August 3, 2014 at 4:21 pm

      Welcome back Chuck. Don’t forget that parade in 2029 that we’re going to.

      • Chuck A.

        August 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm

        Oh come now….let’s be a little more positive. I’m thinking 2028.

  47. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    If the Phillies go 50-0 the rest of the way they still wont win 100 games.

    • Tracey

      August 3, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      How many do they have to win to go 500? I don’t think they can do it.

  48. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    (sigh…) 2 shutouts in a row.

  49. Tracey

    August 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    25 straight shutout innings

  50. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Stub hub has tickets for the Astros series starting Tuesday for 8 bucks.

    I think if it goes under 2 dollars we should go Lefty.

    Preparing ourselves for the world series parade.

    • Lefty

      August 3, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      I only got one working leg right now, so you may have to carry me from the parking lot to the seat.

      • Dr. Dave

        August 3, 2014 at 4:51 pm

        Lefty (my friend): My guess with the off day tomorrow, they can go with their 4 starters (Hamels on Friday) and bring up the 5th starter for Saturday’s game against the Metropolitans.

  51. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    The Phillies have 61 games left

    They would have to go 37 and 24 forget to .500

    Management has decided to keep all this great talent together so it is (not) possible.

  52. c. schreiber

    August 3, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    I’m sure after today Cole doesn’t care who trades for him just get him out of town. Absolutely disgraceful effort by the offense and defense.

    • Chuck A.

      August 3, 2014 at 4:46 pm

      Defense yes. Asche was terrible on those two balls hit his way.

      But… and not to make excuses… Strasburg was really good today. I’m not sure that many teams would have done all that much against him the way he was dealing.

  53. Andrew from waldorf

    August 3, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    I wonder if in 2028 they will change it up some nights and hit Utley 4th and Howard 3rd.

    • Chuck A.

      August 3, 2014 at 4:43 pm

      Hmmm… That’s an idea that’s worth considering. I would think by then that Howard will be completely healed from his injuries.

    • c. schreiber

      August 3, 2014 at 5:04 pm

      How about Utley 4th and Howard on the wood. He’s going to set a record on ground balls to the short fielder in right field. I thought he was benched!!! His numbers are worst than when Ryno set him down for those two (wow) days.

    • Lefty

      August 3, 2014 at 6:12 pm

      Schmidt third, and Bull fourth if the barbecue is ready, otherwise it will be Sarge.

  54. Ken Bland

    August 3, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Instinctively, you’d be inclined to think Cool Hamels is dying for run support this year. Especially since this trend feels like it’s much older than just this year.

    I guess he’s had a couple games where he has had out of character support that shows more support than it feels like. Factually, his run support is higher than 11 guys in the League. Johnny Cueto’s one of them, and as one of the few pitchers that you could argue is having a better year than Hamels, slight though that the difference would be, he’s at least got a 7-3 record to show for it.

    Guys like Edwin Jackson, Shelby Miller, Eric Stults and AJ, none having good years for whatever reason, are all getting less run support.

    But thinking Cole is at least somewhat unique in the lack of support area, easy to do by how well he’s pitched many of his starts is not as true as it feels at times. That he’s pitched so exceptionally well in many of his starts really adds to this deception.

    Looks like he’ll get close to his baseline goal of 200 innings for the year, despite his late start.
    Knock on wood.

    • George

      August 4, 2014 at 10:39 am

      A lack of run support isn’t the only issue when Hamels pitches, as evidenced by three things yesterday. One was the shoddy defense, which has happened in more than one of his starts, and another was that due to dismal offense, he had to be lifted early for a pinch hitter, giving way to a bullpen which has set fire to more than one of Hamels’ starts and cost him any chance of coming away with even a no decision.

      A lack of run support may not be as rare as people think, but I’d also suggest that if a pitcher is getting 3.12 runs per game, he probably won’t do any better won-loss wise than one getting 3.10. Sucking by any other name is still sucking.

  55. Double Trouble Del

    August 3, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Ken, read your post once and knew exactly the point you were making. I’ve been a Phillies fan since shaking Wayne Twitchell’s hand in 1971 which gives me roughly 43 years of Phillies euphoria.

  56. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    August 3, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Every time I see the Amaro and Papelbon quote on contending, I feel a sense of despair for the future of my favorite baseball team.
    Yet another suckfest. Only Cole made this one even bearable, and the restraint he shows from not murdering his teammates and Ruben is amazing.
    Right now, I think I would be a better hitting coach than Henderson.
    Just think Kyle “Hyde” Kendrick pitches on Tuesday.
    Get excited. ( We need a sarcasm font thingy here on PN).

  57. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    August 3, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    Anyone else think Ruin has forced / strong-armed Sandberg into keeping Howard in the line-up? I mean after benching Howard, then speaking of a platoon, and then wanting to see Ruf play more, Amaro comes out and publicly backs Howard. Then you have this:
    “Sandberg seems to have changed his tune on Howard. He’s now echoing Amaro’s remarks that the Phillies need to do everything in their power to get Howard going. That translates to playing him.

    “We’d like to get him going for us,” Sandberg said. “And he’s working on some things. He could be a big bat for us.”

    Howard has 10 strikeouts in the last nine games. Despite that, Sandberg said he has seen improvement.

    “He’s made progress with making some contact,” Sandberg said. “It’s a matter of finding some holes and elevating some balls, but he’s made more contact.”

    Ruf has just two starts in the last nine games, and one was in left field. Does Sandberg still want to see him as an alternative to Howard?

    “We’ll see,” Sandberg said. “We’ll see as we go along. Outfield is an option and first base.”

    Either way, the situation, like the season is quite Fugly.

    • Ken Bland

      August 4, 2014 at 5:13 am

      “Howard has 10 strikeouts in the last nine games. Despite that, Sandberg said he has seen improvement.”

      Riproaringly BAD English. TERRIBLE ENGLISH.

      Should read BECAUSE of that, not DESPITE that.

      If I could get plagerism legalized, I could get away with…

      tag: Missing Piece scouting report

      • George

        August 4, 2014 at 10:54 am

        That is not bad English. If Big Ed was agreeing that 10 Ks in 9 games was an improvement, the correct word would be “because.” But clearly, that 10 in 9 is NOT an improvement, so the word one should use when characterizing Sandberg’s assessment of Howards performance is “despite.”

        If Sandberg truly believes that despite of all the Howard whiffs lately, that Ryan is somehow better, he is being ridiculously optimistic or totally stupid. I’d guess he probably just claims improvement as a defense for his own moronic lineup choices. If Howard needs to be played regularly in order to get back to some supossed “normal” hitting ability, at least he should be removed from the pressure filled cleanup spot. As things stand now, Ben Revere would probably be a better option at cleanup than a struggling Howard.

      • "Big Ed" Delahanty

        August 4, 2014 at 11:31 am

        Ken,
        I just quoted what Jim Salisbury wrote because it seemed interesting to see the shift in Ryno’s thinking. Unfortunately, I could not embed the entire article link. Personally, I do not think Ryno and Amaro are completely on the same page, but we will never really know. All I know is that this team is an unmitigated disaster, with no relief in sight.
        -Ed

      • Lefty

        August 4, 2014 at 12:22 pm

        Ken Bland,
        That was not terrible English- but this probably is,
        Why do you insist on being such a jerk? Over and over, again and again, you disparage the other commenters here. I’ve asked you a couple times to stop, and I don’t know why, but you just can’t seem to help yourself.

        And the funny part is that you of all people, have no right to correct others. Not only do you write those long, wearisome, nearly incomprehensible “walls of rambling words”, then you have an the audacity to remark about what others write.

        I’m guessing the word “jerk” wasn’t used properly above, maybe “asshole” would have been better?

      • Ken Bland

        August 4, 2014 at 2:01 pm

        Ed,

        I was just playing with you, no biggie. You show a good sense of humor, figured you’d pick up on it.

        Guess I can freebie this English lesson out instead of my usual rate. Ain’t nothinfg unfair about me.

        By the way, to get back on the baseball track, fwiw, my own take, Howard’s done. Not struggling. I do believe he’ll be released. Be nice if I’m wrong, but man, so much evidence.

        George said it pretty well adjacently. Especially this 4th stuff. That’s really the most incredible thing, but I guess he has his reasons.
        .]]

    • Chuck A.

      August 4, 2014 at 7:17 am

      With Sandberg’s quote “could” is the key work here I think. Yeah, Ryno… he COULD be a big bat. Very true. But the fact remains that he ISN’T.

    • Lefty33

      August 4, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      “Anyone else think Ruin has forced / strong-armed Sandberg into keeping Howard in the line-up? I mean after benching Howard, then speaking of a platoon, and then wanting to see Ruf play more, Amaro comes out and publicly backs Howard. Then you have this: “Sandberg seems to have changed his tune on Howard. He’s now echoing Amaro’s remarks that the Phillies need to do everything in their power to get Howard going. That translates to playing him.”

      In a way, what do you expect them to do?

      Ruf is horrible, K-Berry has been hurt/horrible, Franco is NOT ready. They have no other realistic alternative to Howard at this point which is why they’re going to play him. Where it’ll get interesting is around a year from now when Howard goes 10/5 so if they don’t eat money to move him (which I don’t see happening) they’ll be on the hook for his $25 million in ’16 with no way of doing anything with him except to play him since they’re not going to platoon/bench a guy making $25 million.

      • George

        August 4, 2014 at 2:41 pm

        I can see them having to play Howard. But using him in the cleanup spot is like entering a clown car in the Indy 500.

  58. Andrew from waldorf

    August 4, 2014 at 12:26 am

    There are 2 teams in baseball now with more loses than the Phils.
    2

    • Ken Bland

      August 4, 2014 at 5:08 am

      I can name both of them, too, baseball scholar that I be.

      The Rastros

      The Rockettes

      and the Strangers

      Reminds me of the game day story I read here for the latest debacle in Phillies baseball. The one where the aces were squaring off for Sunday’s rubber match. Guess they don’t make rubber like they used to. The Phils led the series at the time, Thursday and Friday nights to just the Senators Saturday night special.

      Clearly, by the data submitted, the Phils are a better ballclub than the idiots with zip codes starting with 19 think.

      Anxious to redeem theirselvses, I’m sure the large throng of embarrassed readers that clearly skipped math class the day higher numbers were taught might want to pursue the challenge of redemption, gained by naming the clubs with more wins than the Phils. Guess I can’t ask what they’re doing the next few years.

      First prize is a handshake with Wayne Twitchell, so achieved by being the 9th caller with the correct answer. . That might be an interesting prize at this point. But it oughta fire ’em up to start counting.

      And to think…I was gonna write about Monday’s David Murphy bylined DN piece, but this seemed funner. Oh, well. It’s a long day. As most Mondays are.

      • Double Trouble Del

        August 4, 2014 at 2:35 pm

        Ken, regrettably Mr. Twitchell passed away several years ago or , I am sure, he would have happily obliged.

      • Ken Bland

        August 4, 2014 at 4:33 pm

        I knew he passed, Del. A tad of sick humor entered into the repertoire. My point in saying it’d be an interesting experience at this point. But to get serious for a minute, without checking any records, I remember him as an asset to the club. The sort of guy who had he stayed healthy, or young enough, he’d have mixed in nicely with the eventual Golden Age 1 group that was shortly after your debut season.

        Since things turned for the better, and ’71 was eventually excused with several other seasons surrounding it, my only regret was being stuck behind Philadelphia Phyllis on Opening Day, and having a bird’s eye view of her golden locks more than the game. But at least I was close to one of the great names in sports history, Boots Day, if that name rings a bell.

        Twitch made the all-star team at least once. 6’6, Oregon roots. Tall and thin. Over and out..

    • wbramh

      August 4, 2014 at 12:47 pm

      So things aren’t as bad as they could be, Andrew.
      Good news, indeed.

  59. Ken Bland

    August 4, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    On the subject of D Murphy’s DN piece today, Murph done good on the text and a tip of the hat to I assume another cat for headline strength. “Howard back in Slump,” they scribed. I love recognition of a 1 game hot streak, earlier performed in a Game Day article in this neck of the woods with language that was good, but maybe not as good as I thought since I don’t remember it a mere few days later.

    But Murphy projected that we may have seen the last of Phillipe Aumont in a Phils uni.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    Think of these guys upping bids all the time about when the Phils will win again. 5,10,15,20, 25 years of Main Ingredient love. Don’t they realize that in the time frame, a gray haired Rube will be naming Aumont as the pitching coach, and The Mart Known as Mini as the hitting coach? What’s scary is some of the more recognizable coaches in game history have come off careers similar to those boys.

    .

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