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Phillies Trade Hernandez to Dodgers

As the world waits to see if the Cubs and Phillies find a match for Cole Hamels, the Phillies wasted no time in dealing a different starting pitcher.

According to the Phillies, they have traded pitcher Roberto Hernandez to the Los Angeles Dodgers for two players to be named later. Hernandez, who turns 34 on the 30th, was 6-8 with a 3.87 ERA, his lowest since 2010. Hernandez did, however, have major control issues throughout the season, ranking dead-last in MLB among qualified pitchers in BB/9 IP. Hernandez also ranks second-to-last in the NL in xFIP. Hernandez was slated to be tonight’s starter. Hernandez will be replaced by recently-recalled Sean O’Sullivan.

93 Comments

93 Comments

  1. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Just the start IMO, just the start

  2. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    The headline is priceless. Until they change it.

    http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=phi

    • schmenkman

      August 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      For posterity: “Hernandez looks to follow up gem in finale vs. Astros” in the revolving headlines

      While right next to it: “Phillies deal Hernandez to Dodgers for two players to be named”

      • Lefty

        August 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm

        Ha! I think they must have pulled that one- it was there when I first posted it- but the part that says “Hernandez traded of two players to be named” is classic.

  3. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Hernandez (Carmona) traded for “players to be named later”- that’s humorous

    • George

      August 7, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      I find that humorous, too. I just fear that the two players named will turn out to be the same player, just like Fausto and Roberto.

      By the way, I hope your bum leg is recovering well.

      • Lefty

        August 7, 2014 at 3:58 pm

        Thanks George, I sincerely appreciate it.

  4. Skylar0201

    August 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    With Hernandez gone for 2 players ” to be named later”, with Ruben still at the helm, I wonder what garbage we’re getting in return. This will be a “meh” for both us and the Dodgers.

    • Scotty Ingerton

      August 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      According to reports, it’s two PTBNLs or “cash considerations”. For comparison, the PTBNL that Joe Blanton was traded for ended up being minor league pitcher Ryan O’Sullivan. Amaro loves trading with the Dodgers.

    • Double Trouble Del

      August 7, 2014 at 9:34 pm

      What did you seriously expect?

  5. bacardipr05

    August 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    I was thinking probably C or D level players. However the Phils minor league system blows overall. They just ousted some and probably more on the way.

  6. George

    August 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Even the best GM wouldn’t get much for a rental #5 starter. But more manure can’t hurt when you’re running a “farm” system.

    Speaking of manure, is O’Sullivan going to round out the rotation the rest of the year?

    • Joefa

      August 7, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      I will guess that Jason Marquis was not available to pitch tonight? Is he still with the Pigs??

      I haven’t heard his name in a few weeks either, but would like to see Afam Loewen get a start. He was at Reading earlier in the year. Working his way back as a pitcher. You never know.

      • schmenkman

        August 7, 2014 at 5:19 pm

        Marquis is on the DL, I believe.

      • Ken Bland

        August 7, 2014 at 5:24 pm

        Marquis pulled the old oblique strain drill to further delay his next bi league pitch. He’s been out since mid July, maybe a little later. Seems he had some clause in his contract for right around that time, too, that would have triggered free agency if he wasn’t called up, so I don’t know where he stands on that with the oblique out. But he was pitching pretty well at that level as I recall.

  7. wbramh

    August 7, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    I’m very surprised Fausto-Roberto landed on the Dodgers. I knew the Dodgers were looking for a spare batting practice pitcher but I would have thought they’d choose a guy with more control. Maybe some of their hitters needed practice passing up fastballs out of the strike zone.

  8. Ken Bland

    August 7, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    You could fill in a name carrying an assortment of fantasy visions of catching lightning in a bottle and apply this to the situation, but you have <4 weeks of 25 man rosters before growing to 40. So it's a short period of time that you use to see if you can catch it. You have a 3 game lead over the dreaded 1 game playoff, so the idea of tying up a 25 man roster spot with a guy who's been there, and did it for his last start (it's something, at least), and did some nice work in the pen here earlier in the season makes at least some sense. To get 2 players for that insurance sounds pretty good, but that's still open to the quality factor. But, at least they got out of a million dollar plus obligation that wouldn't figure to translate to much contribution.

  9. wbramh

    August 7, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    My question is why was Fausto’s position in the rotation handed to Sean O’Sullivan when Maureen O’Sullivan’s ERA is probably under 6.35? And they wouldn’t have to pay her more than the MLB minimum for corpses… just like Ruben did with Mini-Mart.

    Yeah, I know. A small sample size for Sean but is Ruben really that close to bringing back Wilson Valdez from the Dominican?

    • loupossehl

      August 7, 2014 at 5:54 pm

      Don’t knock Valdez. Last time he pitched for us he did really well.

  10. Double Trouble Del

    August 7, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    To say nothing about relative Gilbert O’Sullivan would be remiss. Oh well, Alone Again Naturally .

    • jeff orbach

      August 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm

      Not to mention Gilbert& Sullivan who nothing at all to do with this!

  11. Scotty Ingerton

    August 7, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    The Cubs claimed Cole Hamels off revocable waivers. If they offered Addison Russell & Kris Bryant I’d drive Cole to Chicago.

    • Lefty

      August 7, 2014 at 7:19 pm

      If they offered Kris Bryant and a set of windshield wipers I’d do it, mine are getting worn.

  12. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    =-=-=-=-=-= GAMEDAY =-=-=-=-=-=

    Newbie gives up a 2-run HR in the first. Awesome.

  13. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    So Ruben Amourno can’t get anything done until after the usual deadline, and then the best he can give us is players to be named later? Dude, that’s no way to to stop people making fun of you.

  14. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    (sigh) 2 HRs given up in the 1st. Do you think we can persuade Jamie to come down from the booth?

    • Lefty

      August 7, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      No, but I think they should try.

  15. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    O’Sullivan looks like crap, balls all over the place, though it’s hard to blame a guy who just got off the plane.

  16. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    (sigh…) we survived the first…

  17. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    (looking at O’Sullivan’s minor league record this year…) yikes… This isn’t going to be a pitchers’ duel…

  18. Andrew from waldorf

    August 7, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    I love how Mccarthy sells or tries to sell it.

    Its like taking a crap on the floor and having people over to say how great it is and what a wonderful smell you have created.

    O Sullivan has now given up 39 homers in 224 innings career wise.

  19. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    Lefty: are you getting the Phils’ feed or an out of town feed?

  20. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    ugh. We can’t go down 1-2-3 after a 1st like that.

  21. Chuck A.

    August 7, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    “Who cares.”

    – Jimmy Rollins, 2014

    • Tracey

      August 7, 2014 at 7:35 pm

      Really?

      • Chuck A.

        August 7, 2014 at 7:48 pm

        Sarcasm. Relax.

      • Tracey

        August 7, 2014 at 7:50 pm

        I looked it up. He said it in Spring Training.

      • Chuck A.

        August 7, 2014 at 8:00 pm

        Yeah, it was a joke then and it is now. Kinda like this game.

    • Andrew from waldorf

      August 7, 2014 at 7:50 pm

      Chuck I thought you loved him?

      I wonder if Carter can hit 5 homers?

      If O Sullivan stays in I guess its possible.

      • Chuck A.

        August 7, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        I do love Jimmy. He’s one of my favorite players, maybe my favorite on the team. I thought it was funny how Sandberg and the media made so much out of it and blew it out of proportion when he said it.

      • Phils Fan

        August 8, 2014 at 9:37 am

        Nothing funny about it. Jimmy Poppins and The Big Turd need to be coached on how to talk to the media. They say stupid things over and over again. That is why they are not fan favorites and get the criticism they deserve.

  22. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    Theyre talking to the Assistant GM, and he’s passing around the Kool Aid

    • Andrew from waldorf

      August 7, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Those interviews are always amusing.

      At least it wasn’t Ruben Amoron.

  23. aruiz4927 .

    August 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    Man if only Howard got claimed. I would let him go for nothing in a sec just to dump that salary

  24. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Woo hoo! No shut out!

  25. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    Are you kidding me??? 3 HRs in a night??? Put him back on the plane to Toledo!!!

  26. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    “A little bit of a botched play there”

    Yeah, to put it mildly. So glad my tickets were for last night, not this crapfest.

    • Lefty

      August 7, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      You went to a good one for sure, and that’s no easy trick this year.

  27. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    I just got back. Tracey I have the home feed tonight.

    • Tracey

      August 7, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      The Phils announcers are trying to pass this turd off as a diamond.

      • Lefty

        August 7, 2014 at 8:26 pm

        Yup I hear them. What’s knew huh?

  28. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    I thought Charlie still worked for the team. Jamie said he hasnt seen him.

  29. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Cushy job I guess?

  30. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Maybe Charlie’s job involves a lot of travel?

  31. Chuck A.

    August 7, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    I think I read he goes to quite a few minor league games.

  32. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    I dont know but for Jamie to say he hasnt seen him since he left the Phils? It also could be a “ceremonial” position. If so I’m glad they would do that for him.

  33. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Meanwhile we’ve got Cy McHugh going out here tonight.

  34. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    He lost his last MLB game 5-1, so at least he’s consistent.

  35. Tracey

    August 7, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    No, dumbass, he was taking a selfie.

  36. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    24 infield hits. Thats a lot .

  37. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Climbing back

  38. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Not over til it’s over!

  39. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    Bases loaded 1out needs these runs Chase

  40. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Chase is slumping a little maybe time for a night off

  41. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Hit on here for AFW Ryan. I like when he bashes you after doing something good

    • Andrew from waldorf

      August 7, 2014 at 9:44 pm

      Thank you for the continued support Beta.

      I think that was the first time all year I cheered enough for my dog to have to flee the room.

      that was a good at bat.

      In a way you dwell on the negative which I will not even bring up.

      Chuck and Lefty prepare for the parade.

      If Paplebum can hold this will only be 2 behind the Mets.

  42. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    All we need is a single because even Williamsport can score off of Chad Quals

  43. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Dont bite on that slider!

  44. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Let him walk you if he wants to.

  45. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Woooohoooo!

  46. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    I know that is not worth 25 million and it is the Astros but it is still sweet to the big guy hit

  47. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    To see big guy hit

  48. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    This is the best inning of the year.

  49. Andrew from waldorf

    August 7, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    That might have been his best at bat since 2009 NLCS.

    It was super impressive.

    Looked like Ted Williams out there.

    • Dave

      August 8, 2014 at 9:40 am

      I agree that the at bat was impressive Andrew, but it’s sad that that is what it’s come down to with Howard. He has one great at bat and we get excited.

  50. photoFred

    August 7, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Maybe we’re looking at a 100 RBI season ­čÖé

    Loved Sipp’s reaction.

  51. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Ok Paps play like you want to be here

  52. Andrew from waldorf

    August 7, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Howard just wants to see you sitting on my shoulders for the parade.

    I am picking up Howard in fantasy!!!!!!!!

  53. Lefty

    August 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Sweet come from behind victory.

  54. Andrew from waldorf

    August 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Winner winner
    Chicken Dinner

    Great game

    Crucial 3 game series vs the Mets now

    Come on guys.

    Yes this was the game of the year.
    The dog handnt scurried away all year.

    • Brooks

      August 8, 2014 at 6:24 am

      4 game series

  55. betasigmadeltashag

    August 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    I have Howard on my fantasy team. Rotisserie scoring I’ll take his RBIs. But I admit I only pick players from my heart. No Yankees Red Sox or any team in NL East. And someone is playing against Phillies(or A’s my American League team) I put them on the bench

    • Lefty

      August 7, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      I like the A’s too. I have Moss, Norris and Lowrie on my f team.

      • betasigmadeltashag

        August 7, 2014 at 11:02 pm

        I have Moss Norris Gray and Doolittle.
        Moss has been slumping and with McCutchen hurt my offense is hurting. But with Cole Yu Darvish and Price and Grey on my staff my SP is pretty good.

  56. Andrew from waldorf

    August 7, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    Enjoy it Beta.

    If the Phillies can finish ahead of the Mets

    I will be happy.

    That was the kind of at bat that maybe can really turn things.

    would be nice

  57. bacardipr05

    August 8, 2014 at 12:07 am

    Andrew, why is the Mets series crucial?

  58. Brooks

    August 8, 2014 at 6:32 am

    Money why else? I believe AFW has a standing wager with someone that the Phil’s will have a better record than the Muts at EOY

  59. Brooks

    August 8, 2014 at 7:06 am

    Another useless stat? They almost always are –
    Lets try this – rbi per hit. Ryan Howard this year (before last night) had 67 rbi with a lowsy 91 hits.
    That means that 74% of his hits plate a run. If Howard were hitting a still sub par say .250 this year, his rbi total, based on his rph – would be leading the NL with 82 rbi.
    Put it in perspective a bit, Howards career rph is over 81%, that is more that 8 hits he has out of 10 produces a run. Look at one of the most prolific all time greats, Henry Aaron – not even close. He knocked in a run with 61% of his hits. Even the Sultan of swat had a career rph ratio of 71%.
    Howard haters unite! Gripe all you want. If the man hits, he produces – OK, its a big IF for the
    Big Piece.

    • photoFred

      August 8, 2014 at 10:40 am

      FWIW:

      I’ve been keeping track of Howard’s RP/AB/H4 (Runs produced per AB for cleanup hitters) which is a stat I may have made up but was prompted by reading Zolecki’s blog about Ryan’s projected 90 RBI season being, statistically, historically bad, and then schmenk sent a link to somehing he wrote as well.

      Right now he is producing runs at a .259 pace (using the Fred Formula). Here is the FF applied to the top RBI cleanup hitters in all of MLB

      Beltre (TEX) .284
      Moss (OAK) .283
      Encarnacion (TOR) .281
      Sandoval (SF) .273
      LaRoche (WSH) .269
      Upton, J (ATL) .266
      Howard (PHL) .259
      Gonzalez (LAD) .257
      Martinez (DET) .256
      Teixeira (NYY) .249
      Longoria (TB) .247
      McGehee (MIA) .244
      Montero (ARI) .225
      Castro (CHC) .224
      Santana (CLE) .221

      I think this stat would be even more interesting if PA were used instead of AB but I didn’t see a breakdown of that number by batting order position so…

  60. Lefty

    August 8, 2014 at 8:52 am

    I think that was Howard’s second home run vs. a left handed pitcher this week.

  61. Lefty

    August 8, 2014 at 9:17 am

    So if the Cubs claimed Hamels, that means he didn’t even make it past the third team that was allowed to bid for him. (in the order MLB specifies teams can be awarded a claim) That leaves me wondering how many other clubs put in failed bids.

    If someone with knowledge of the process knows answers to the following please respond-

    Do clubs that place a player on waivers know who the other clubs that bid on him are??

    If so, wouldn’t it make more sense to wait until the offseason when they could offer him to all of those clubs thereby creating a possibility for better return?

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