Phillies add 4 to 40-man roster; Giles trade next? – Phillies Nation

Phillies add 4 to 40-man roster; Giles trade next?

PHOTO: (AP/Chris Szagola)

PHOTO: (AP/Chris Szagola)

The Phillies just made a move, opting to add the following players to the 40-man roster:

  • Jimmy Cordero – RHP, 24; 45 G, 2.55 ERA, 64 K, 24 BB in 2015 (A+/AA)
  • Edubray Ramos – RHP, 22; 47 G, 2.07 ERA, 65 K, 16 BB in 2015 (A+/AA)
  • Roman Quinn – OF, 22; 58 G, .306/.356/.435, 16 XBH, 42 K, 18 BB, 29 SB in 2015 (AA)

They also claimed right-handed relief pitcher A.J. Achter off waivers. Achter (it’s pronounced OCK-ter, so that would be an easy thing for Phillies fans to say), who is 27, recorded a 6.75 ERA in 13 relief innings for the Twins in 2015. He struck out 14 and walked six. For AAA Rochester he had a 2.62 ERA with 47 strikeouts and 13 walks.

Since they’re on the 40-man roster, these four are protected for the Rule 5 Draft, meaning teams cannot select them (like we did with Odubel Herrera last year from Texas). Quinn is a top prospect and may get to Philadelphia during the 2016 season. Left unprotected, however, are prospects Carlos Tocci and Miguel Tirado (pitcher acquired with Cordero in the Ben Revere trade). Todd Zolecki, however, says it’s unlikely those two will be selected.

We’re counting on you, Todd.

And that’s a different conversation, anyway.

This one is about the bullpen. The following relievers are now on the 40-man roster:

So we’re saying there’s depth there. Of course, fringe starters like Alec Asher, David Buchanan and Severino Gonzalez also could qualify for bullpen innings, so there’s no shortage of relief arms prepared to pitch for the Phils in 2016.

That’s a good thing, considering the Phillies don’t need to acquire any relief pitcher through free agency. In fact if they do, it’s a pretty worthless endeavor. The Phils are supposed to be bad next year, and bringing in a reliever for more than, say $2 million for more than, say, one year, is an illogical move.

A betting person might say next year’s bullpen starts with Giles, Gomez, Neris and Garcia. You’d carry at least one lefty and maybe two (Araujo, Hollands the favorites here). The seventh spot would more than likely go to a long man candidate (Gonzalez, Asher).

But anything can happen still, including – and I’d put odds at 35/65 not happening – trading Giles.

Considering the Padres received a substantial return for Craig Kimbrel, and considering there’s a hubbub over free agent closers like Darren O’Day, the Phillies should hold Giles for at least one top prospect, or two high-ceiling prospects, at least. Giles doesn’t have Kimbrel or O’Day’s track records yet, but he is young, cheap and shows no signs of struggling too badly.

I’m definitively in the perspective that if the right offer is there, the Phillies need to deal Giles. It’s great having a young and very possibly elite closer for many years, but there are numerous ways to build an effective bullpen. Ask Kansas City. Ask San Francisco. Ask St. Louis. Heck, ask the 2009 Phillies with a lackluster Brad Lidge. You don’t need a clear-cut closer to be successful.

Giles has high value right now, and it may never be higher. If the Phils can score a future everyday player for him, it’s no contest.

The 2016 Phillies bullpen, with or without Giles, should manage, long as there’s quality depth. And today there is quality depth up there.



  1. Jtkachyk

    November 20, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    If the Phillies trade Giles I might just assume the fetal position for the entire season

    • Ted Bell

      November 21, 2015 at 9:26 am

      He’s one of their most valuable trade chips. The shelf life of a closer is relatively short – the odds of him being this effective four or five years down the road are slim. If you have the opportunity to acquire a couple of long term assets for Giles, it’s something that they need to strongly consider.

  2. Jim

    November 20, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    IMHO….the way teams manage things these days only makes the closer role important if you are leading in the 9th. That said…I was always amused when booth commentators would tout Paps save ratio the last few years. Most of the time the Phils were either losing or Pap was ‘unavailable’ so his opportunity for appearances was very reduced.

    But i’ll still be a fan.

  3. George

    November 20, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Depth isn’t any good at all when it’s the depth of a cesspool. These guys, other than Giles, are barely serviceable at best, and crap at worst.

    I hope they prove me wrong.

  4. Lefty

    November 20, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    I agree Tim, for the right deal, they should to pull the trigger. That said, the return needs to be really good.

    Even though there seem to be more flame throwing relievers every year, guys like Giles don’t grow on trees.

  5. Steve

    November 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    Yeah go trade our best reliever because we have a depth of crap is what we have. I am all for being patient but let us not be stupid. You better get someone real good.

  6. PhilsPhaninYankeeland

    November 21, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Tocci had a phenomenal half season for Lakewood last year. Then, as always happens, he was promoted. This kid is a singles hitter who is finally learning the strike zone and he’s fast. Some of the best first – to – third speed I’ve seen since s kid named Larry Bowa played in Veteran’s Stadium. Hope we don’t lose him.

  7. Ted Bell

    November 21, 2015 at 9:30 am

    Has Klentak brought in any of his own people yet? The structure of the front office looks pretty much the same…I figured there’d be at least a few changes with Klentak bringing in some of his own people.

    It’s always heartwarming to see Chris Wheeler listed as “Club Ambassador” though.

  8. Ken Bland

    November 21, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    Being as Andrew Bailey is 31 (ie, over 30), and has had armissues for maybe 3-4 years now, it’s not surprising his name hasn’t circulated in the rumor mill since his parting ways with the Yankees 3 weeks ago. And, off a less than impressive 2015, all the more reason to justify that lack of action.

    But, you’d think he’d be available on a minor league deal, has had successful closing experience, and pitched in big games. If he physically doesn’t have it anymore, so be it. And while it’s exhausting watching the parade of take a chance relievers that get recycled secure multiple chances, he might not be a bad fit at all. You look for more than veteran influence, but I suspect he’d be more of a contributor in that area than they have this vision of Jeremy Hellickson adding to the starter contingent if Bailey can indeed pitch.

    • money

      November 21, 2015 at 9:21 pm

      To quote an old relief pitcher Jim Kern of the Cleveland Indians, “Every time we get somebody with talent we trade him away for two people that don’t have any”.
      Yes,we may be able to a couple of people for Giles,but how long are we going to push back having a respectable team?It’s been four years already and counting.
      Are the fans expected to just shovel out their money and watch bloopers all day? Are the fans at home watching on TV expected to stick around for the whole game to watch the highlights of a 12 to 1 loss? Or worse still watch an inept bullpen blow a 3 run lead.
      Middleton I’m sure didn’t bring in a 63 year old MacPhail to bring in crowds of 1500 and 2000 at the end of the year like last year.They don’t have to win the world series next year,but respectable is not asking for the impossible.

      • Ted Bell

        November 22, 2015 at 7:41 am

        That’s probably what Mets’ fans were saying when Sandy Alderson traded R.A. Dickey for Noah Syndergaard and Travis d’Arnaud. You don’t win the lottery if you aren’t buying any tickets. The average shelf life of a closer is very short, and that position is extremely easy to fill (despite the mythology that may surround it). If you have a chance to get long term pieces for a guy that pitches 60 innings a season (and very likely won’t be as dominating by the time this team is good again) you have to do it. Giles will never be this valuable again.

      • George

        November 22, 2015 at 11:54 am

        It’s true that a team has to buy a ticket or two before they can win the lottery. But odds on lotteries are pretty bad, and baseball history is littered with trades of talent for players who couldn’t hit, catch or throw.

        If Giles is to be traded, there will need to be some awfully good scouting done beforehand, The odds need to be improved, and pretty well proven commodities should be the aim in any trade return.

        R.A. Dickey was a no-brainer in my opinion. He was getting long in the tooth and expensive; that trade was not nearly the crapshoot a Giles trade would be given his youth, obvious talent, and low cost. If Syndergaard and D’Arnaud hadn’t worked out, the Mets still would have been wise to trade Dickey while his value was as high as it would ever get. With a player like Giles, whose value could conceivably still rise, the return absolutely has to be exceptional. Luckily, that appears to be the direction Klentak is going in and he’ll keep Giles if he doesn’t get precisely what he’s looking for in return. Giles is still cheap, and if he bombs in a year or three, he still hasn’t cost much.

      • Lefty

        November 23, 2015 at 6:17 pm

        Are you of the belief that Giles would not bring back a similar level (or better) of exceptional players than RA Dickey did? I think he very well would. Yes the circumstances are different, one was an older more expensive player coming off a Cy Young year, and one a young promising closer, but I don’t see either action as more of a crapshoot than the other. Mets fans that I knew were very unhappy with the trade at the time, calling Wilpon cheap, etc.

        I think they would bring similar return. Maybe even a younger better closer than Giles that’s a couple years away.

        Anyway, I think even people who are for trading Giles believe a trade should not be made unless they get the kind of worth we all think he could potentially bring.

      • George

        November 24, 2015 at 8:33 am

        Lefty, I said nothing and about and actually believe that Giles COULD bring more in return. My thoughts about a “crapshoot” were that in the case of Dickey, he was less a trade risk for the Mets (other than management hatred because of his being overrated by fans) than Giles could be for the Phils. In perhaps better terms, had the return for Dickey not panned out, the Mets still would have gotten rid of a higher cost contract and only lost what has now proven to be a mid-rotation arm that could have been fairly easy to replaced at the same or lesser cost. If a Giles trade didn’t work, the Phils would be out a very talented, youthful, and inexpensive piece who might be a real contributor for several more years, an asset that would be hard to replace. That’s why I said that some really great scouting would need to be done on any Giles trade. I’d hate for the return to be a “can’t miss” prospect that merely becomes like another Dom Brown, and that’s why a Giles trade could be a crapshoot, just as many trade prove to be.

      • Lefty

        November 25, 2015 at 8:18 am

        Ok, I understand what you mean now. Yes, thats true.

  9. money

    November 22, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    It makes no sense to trade a pitcher,let alone our closer,when both MacPhail and Klentak both said it’s an area that were most weak on.As a matter of fact I have to agree with that assessment.

  10. bacardipr05

    November 23, 2015 at 2:11 am

    Well lets say it takes the team 3 years to get good again. Giles will be only 27 an stil under team control. ( he just turned 25). So many variables in the closer role. Is he going to be one of these relievers have long lasting success or one of thee up down guys. They just cant gift him and i will only accept two top 10 prospects or something along those lines.

  11. loupossehl

    November 23, 2015 at 4:17 am

    Right now we have a starting five consisting of a young guy with half a year of MLB experience, plus four other guys. Talk is, there’s no intention of trying to land a top-flight arm to bolster the staff and lend support to Nola and the rather anonymous others. In the bullpen, we have a bunch of bodies plus one young guy who looks really good, and there’s talk of trading him because we suck now who knows how good Giles will be when, a few years down the road, we don’t suck any more. Meanwhile, our offense is long-ball deprived, and we don’t score enough runs.

    If this picture is accurate, then let me see if I understand ownership’s “Plan for 2016.” That is, we’ll go with an anemic starting five with no legitimate ace. And even if any one of them exits the 7th with, say, a 2-1 lead, there’s a really good chance the lead will go up in smoke because there’s no “lock-down guy” in the pen to back him up – just lukewarm bodies. And forget about scoring a bunch of runs to steal an occasional 8-6 game now and then – our starters will go to the mound each time with the gut feeling that if they give up more than 2 or 3 runs, it’s probably another “L” for their stats and the team, because our offense will continue to carry the same excitement as that associated with watching paint dry. (Thus each starter will suffer from the chronic condition, for which there is evidently no cure, known in the medical community as the “Hamels Syndrome”. Symptoms are excessive sweating, the gritting of teeth, strike-zone phobia, and obsessive thoughts of relocating.)

    Is this the scintillating prospect that’s supposed to generate interest and support – from me and of everyone else in Phillie fandom – from next April to October?

    • George

      November 23, 2015 at 3:11 pm

      As pessimistic outlooks go, this one wins the prize.

      I don’t think, for one thing, that Phils management intends to go into 2016 with the entire last year’s crew intact. There’s still quite a bit of the offseason left, and I’ve heard no absolutes mentioned as far as free agent signings.

      For another thing, your assessment misses a full season of Franco, who does at least project to have power, and you’ve suddenly scratched Giles from the bullpen mix even though a trade there is still in the rumor stage and I really don’t think management is stupid enough to trade him for garbage.

      From statements by management that I’ve heard, there is no intention to make trades that will cause the team to tank entirely, that Giles is only available for a large return, and that there is the intention of adding at least one more starter.

      It’s hard to say, really, what 2016 will look like until at least the spring. I doubt if the team will do a ton of winning, but I do believe there still may be some surprises in store.

    • loupossehl

      November 23, 2015 at 4:53 pm

      It’s been a few weeks already since the “trade Giles” idea first popped up around here. My message was, for the most part, for anyone who’d think that’s a good idea. I think it’s a bad idea: we need an effective closer to shore up our what starters we have … a group that, as presently structured, needs late-inning support and won’t exactly strike fear in the hearts of any competitor.

      Franco will add pop to our lineup; I’ll optimistically project that he’s good for 25-30 dingers a year … but he’s one guy, and if there’s no hitting threat batting before or after him, pitchers may pitch around him. In any case, we need to see him for a full season before going overboard on projecting his performance. Any way you look at it, we need another big bat and I don’t know about you but I don’t want to wait around 3 years or so to see that bat finally emerge from the minors.

      I’ts of no comfort to hear from management that there is “no intention to make trades that will cause the team to tank entirely” – because a team with the worst record in MLB and loses 99 games is already in the tank. My idea of effective management would be one that figures how to get the team up and out of the tank – not to make the playoffs in a hurry (I don’t believe in miracles), but to once again be respectable. Management that backs up that intention by signing up a big-time arm (badly needed) or bat (badly needed). And I’m not talking about a Hellickson or a Rule 5 “maybe we’ll get lucky” roll of the dice. I’m talking about a big move with big dollars to show that we’re not a bargain-basement outfit like the Pirates or Padres, but (like the Dodgers and teams in the AL West) we’ve got big bucks and a swinging dick, and we’re not going to take this crap any more.

      We have some good young guys in the minors – some will pan out’; others won’t, and without a big move by management along the way we’re entirely dependent on developmental success – and nobody’s minor-league system is THAT good. Statements from the top that I’ve seen referred to around here – to the effect that “well, this year isn’t the time” offers this fan no comfort – in fact, it does the opposite. If, between now and next spring, management diddles around with Hellickson-type signings, my outlook isn’t pessimistic – it’s a realistic projection of what will be another dismal season.

      • George

        November 24, 2015 at 9:26 am

        No, I don’t think your outlook is a realistic projection, Lou. You are overlooking what will be full years from a better manager (Mackanin), Nola, Eickhoff, Franco, probably Altherr, further additions that will be made such as bullpen arms or another innings eating starter (they’ll surely be better than Harang or J. Williams!) or a bat of some sort, plus midseason call-ups that will all surely at least better this team’s record. I also still don’t rule out completely some other major moves. If an opportunity arises,such as not-yet-entering-his-decline-years free agent who will actually want to play for an unproven team, I don’t think Klentak will just sit on his butt. It’s most likely not going to be a great season, but I doubt if it could ever be as dismal as 2015, or even close to that year. Rebuilds take time, and though the Phils are fairly rich, they don’t have endless money like the Dodgers. They can’t just plug roster holes with dollar bills.

  12. bacardipr05

    November 24, 2015 at 12:51 am

    The current state of the team doesnt warrant signing a big arm. We already had one in Cole. Signing a big arm means winning 5 or so more games a year. Even if we sign a legit position player to go with that big arm this team still will suck. Klentak already said he plans to build the bulk of team in with in house talent and only pick up a FA to fill a hole. This seems like the plan they are going with. So if thats the case it will take 3 or more years to contend. This was a poorly run org with poor drafts, they held on to Lee for too long etc etc. So much wrong with this club that it will take a while to fix. They have to build some sorta nucleus of talent. Ti could be coming but it will take time. One of the things that Klentak pointed out is we have no #1 or #2 in our system. So at least he identified and they could possibly draft or pick on up when the time is right.

    • loupossehl

      November 24, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      A month ago I said here that at the close of the ’16 season we’ll be looking at a lineup quite different from the group that starts the season – perhaps an outfield of Williams, Odubel and Altherr, and an infield of Franco, Crawford, Hernandez/Galvis and somebody at 1B. Plus Roman Quinn, who could play different positions. That’s encouraging – if things work out – but it’s not the team that will start the year and we stand to lose a lot of games early on, especially with an anemic rotation of Nola, Eickhoff, Morgan, Hellickson and who knows who else. Can this lineup, evolving along the way as it will be, improve by 10 games over the ’15 club? If happily so, we’re still looking at a 73-89 year.

      I’ll use Cespedes as an example. Yes I know there are 32 reasons why he shouldn’t be here at this time – but I’ll use him anyway. Imagine a 3-4-5 of Franco, Cespedes and Francoeur … how much better that would make it for Franco, and the club in general. Maybe Howard is the No. 5 – or put him at 6. In any case, I see the single addition of one bat transforming this lineup.

      And I’ll use David Price, for whom I’m sure there are 33 reasons why he should be avoided (Reason #1 being I see him as a Cub) – but I’ll use him anyway. First of all, there’s a simple mathematical equation here: Price (or equivalent) – Hamels = Eichhoff, Thompson, Williams, and Alfaro less, say, $100 mil spread over a multi-year contract. In other words, we end up trading one ace for another, plus a bunch of cash, for four solid prospects (let’s not even consider Harrison). That, as I see it, is a heckofa trade. And it gives us back an ace – an ace that we admit is absent from our system. What are we going to do – draft Puk, hope he’s the next Cole Hamels but not the next Gavin Floyd, and wait three years to see how things work out?

      Beyond the on-the-field conjecture, there’s the matter of ownership and front office, and psychology in the form of the message that can be sent to Phillie fandom. One message is “be nice and patient, and rest assured we’ll do the right thing a few years down the road if and when the youngsters work out, blah blah blah. And maybe we’ll trade Giles because an ace reliever is for a winning team – not us. You’ll come to the ballpark … won’t you?” Wussy. The other message is, “On the field or at the top, the Philadelphia Phillies are not a cellar-dwelling operation. We have big bucks and we’re going to use them to fast-track this thing. And Giles is going nowhere because he puts the exclamation point on our improved rotation. Come to the park and see a competitor.” Balls.

      • loupossehl

        November 24, 2015 at 1:54 pm

        By the way, “Wussy” started out with a “P” instead of the “W” – but the post wouldn’t “take” (I tried twice). So I went to “Wussy”, and the thing posted. Perhaps “Wussy” with a “P” doesn’t pass a filter??? WTF – which I guess is OK.

      • George

        November 25, 2015 at 10:05 am

        While I can agree with you on some things (mostly the idea of one big bat completely changing the offense) I cannot agree with your methodology. Free agents, for one thing, are not likely to sign so that they can be with a bunch of unproven players. For another, most of them are outrageously expensive, and even though there is money, pockets are never as deep as people would like them to be. Free agents also tend to be very close to the downsides of their careers and don’t usually make good investments (an example would be Cliff Lee, whose final two extremely well paid seasons provided absolutely nothing).

        I, too, would like to see major additions, but I don’t see that as being particularly useful at this time. 2016 is not going to be the lost season that some expect, because progress will be made by last year’s rookies, and serious assessments of future needs will be made so that the RIGHT free agent talent can be added for 2017. Adding now could be the addition of some really expensive redundancies, and I just don’t feel it would be wise to do that.

        I will try to finish here by being lighthearted about your problems spelling the “P” word with a “W.” I suppose if someone commented about buying a Phillies cap for their family pet, they’d have to call the poor animal a “Wussycat.” Filters suck!

  13. Richie Allen

    November 24, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    Lets face it….We’re screwed…. for quite a while if they don’t spend any big money.It wont be a fun 2016.Just as it hasn’t been a fun last couple of years.
    I understand the reason for not throwing money at free agents,and they probably wouldn’t come to Philly anyway,but how much bad baseball can we put up with after the “Glory years” spoiled us?
    Just a very frustrated long time die hard fan thinking out loud.

    • David

      November 24, 2015 at 8:25 pm

      I think they are on the right track. If they can have a respectable starting 5, this team could be a .500 team. Just think how many games the team lost because the starting pitcher was getting blown out. The team has a lot of young talent. Much more optimistic than I was at the beginning of 2015.

    • Lefty

      November 25, 2015 at 8:30 am

      I believe 2016 will be a lot of fun to be a Phils fan. I quite enjoy the younger players and the promise and potential they carry. They won’t win any championships for a while, so what? The Royals fans waited 30 years, many teams and their fan bases have to wait long stretches for contention.

      I know I was tired of the same old players, watching their skills decline. Management under the leadership of David Montgomery held on to past glory way too long. If they hadn’t, we might have begun a more cohesive, less painful rebuilding process sooner, but that’s spilt milk at this point.

      It was time for mass change, and I for one, am optimistic it was a change for the better.

      • George

        November 25, 2015 at 10:11 am

        I agree, Lefty! Not only that, but I think 2016 will surprise a few people.

        It’s always nicer to see players improve than to watch them decline. It’s miserable to see a Ryan Howard lying on the ground, or a Roy Halladay being bombed, or a Chase Utley batting below the Mendoza line. I’d much rather watch a Nola struggling but finally escaping a jam, or a Franco striking out four times before delivering a walk off home run.

    • loupossehl

      November 25, 2015 at 11:00 am

      Lefty –

      Without a doubt the Phillies were better off at the end of ’15 than at the beginning, but IMO there’s a long leap from there to optimism – at least as it relates to seeing Philly as a contending club.

      I guess it in part depends on what kind of fan you are – and there are different types of fans. If you take intrinsic pleasure out of seeing a bunch of young guys scrap, while not doing much in the W-L column … for many years … that’s cool – I even wish that I, too, could be that fan. But I’m not – I want to see a winning team; a team that challenges sooner rather than later. I want to see an ownership that’s aggressive – not one whose solution for the current problem child that’s the Phillies might be soothing talk and calls for years of calm and patience. And since I’ve been a Philly follower since Richie Ashburn days, I don’t think the 30-year-wait approach will work too well for me.

      • George

        November 25, 2015 at 12:25 pm

        I feel for you, Lou. I, too have witnessed long stretches of ineptitude from the Phils, and that includes much stupidity in the ownership/management areas.

        I do doubt, though, that this particular rebuild will take the 30 years of your pessimistic outlook. There’s a new president, a new GM, and one owner has finally stepped forward to help take aim at some of the issues faced by every team in pro ball.

        If this does turn out to be a long, long wait, say even five years, before the team gets halfway decent again, I’ll probably join join you in your disgust and maybe even go beyond that with a razor blade or a sleeping pill overdose.

        But right now, I prefer to be happy and take what at least seems like a little bit of progress. My mental health is better for it, and I don’t yell at my relatives when I take a calmer attitude toward Klentak and company.

      • loupossehl

        November 25, 2015 at 2:03 pm

        Thanks for that post, George. In reviewing what I’ve had to say over the last couple of posts, I don’t want anyone to think I’m piling on Klentak or ownership at this point – it’s far too early to anticipate what they might do. I do have a gut-feeling concern for Klentak: if you have the appearance of being in the springtime of your years – as he does – you may well feel that something like a 30-year outlook is just fine. That’s not for me – I think we should be a lot more like Boston or NY fans (maybe that’s the New York in me; I’m an oddball Philly fan). If the Red Sox or Yankee organization were to adopt a “well, this will take a long time” attitude and not go proactive, their fans would be all over them … in a New York minute.

        The New Guy is in town. Let’s see what he can do – just so long as he does something. Something more than Harangs and Jerome Williams’s and this Rule 5 guy and that 40-man squad reject signed up to fill a hole in the Lehigh Valley lineup.

        Yesterday I saw somebody’s review of the top 25 current free agents, and what club he anticipated those free agents would be with, come Spring Training ’16. (I was going to post the url here, but I lost it.) I don’t know how accurate the guy will turn out to be – to me that’s actually incidental, because what’s key is the current perception of the Phillies as an organization … a perception that has to change and can, but only if we get our arse in gear. So guess how many he thought would be wearing a Phillies uniform in 2016? I won’t even mention the number, but it’s smaller than one.

        With that, I hope everyone here makes it safely over the river and through the woods to Grandma’s house and has a nice Thanksgiving And just in case … might you stash away a spare razor blade or a couple of those pills for me?

      • Lefty

        November 25, 2015 at 7:37 pm

        Lou, happy thanksgiving to you as well. I fully understand why patience is such a tough thing to have when management’s philosophy has been so shortsighted the last few years. But I’m excited about the McPhail/Klentak team.

        I might normally be uncomfortable in the same way you are about Klentak’s age, but I feel that McPhail at age 62 just won’t allow the job take too long. I also don’t think ownership has that much patience for the wide expanses of blue they see at CBP.

        So have some faith my friend, spending isn’t the only way to build a team. In fact many experts are beginning to believe it is the exact wrong approach in the modern day game. When the time comes, when a reasonable base has been set, I think they’ve shown they won’t be afraid to spend what ever it takes.

      • loupossehl

        November 26, 2015 at 4:52 am

        Thanks, Lefty. It’s those wide expanses of blue you mention that actually give me the most reason for hope.

        At my age, McPhail as well as Klentak is a kid – but word has it he’s a quick study.

      • George

        November 26, 2015 at 9:37 am

        Happy Thanksgiving to EVERYONE.

        Just another bit of perspective: When I was Klentak’s age, I was thinking more along the lines of “I better get my rear in gear before I’m over the hill and too cranky and pessimistic to want to do anything anymore,” than looking long term. There are ages where a person realizes that about the only thing that seems to go on forever is the number Pi, and that if he wishes for any kind of fulfillment, he’d better get busy and try to attain it. I also think that Klentak has job security to think about; if he botches this rebuild he could end up coaching first base in Boston.

        In other words, I doubt seriously if our new GM’s age will have anything to do with the speed with which the team rebuilds.

      • Lefty

        November 26, 2015 at 10:13 am

        Happy thanksgiving to you guys, happy thanksgiving to all. What a great holiday, family, friends, football, and food! If only they played baseball today too, oh well, can’t have it all.

  14. betasigmadeltashag

    November 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    I have been away for a while enjoying a vacation and being off the grid. But I just want to chime in rea quick about trades, free agents and others. First you do not trade GIles, I know you are looking to rebuild, but you can not get much younger, and he is a rising star in my opinion, will he be an elite closer for 10-12 years no one knows, but he will still be cheap for the next few years, and if treated right will stay longer. I am also a little tired in the opinion that this team can not contend next year, with the right moves and some emerging stars staying healthy, there is no reason they can not be a five hundred team. I mean look at the east, yes the mets have a young real good pitching staff, but their pen is weak, a long with their offense and defense. The Nationals are a mess, and will be again next year, and Braves and Marlins are both bad. I am not saying you go after a Price or Greinke, but if you get one of those to anchor the staff. If Franco can stay healthy and improve on his season last year, which I personally think could happen. Along with Herrera, showed real good signs of adjusting throughout last season and I think he may be on the brink of an all star. If they can get a corner OF or if Athere, Hernandez, and Galvis can improve slightly over last year time last year, I think the offense and defense will be greatly improved over the start of last year. Hernandez can have the patience and speed to be a lead off guy, and I think Herrera can be a third or fifth hole hitter if you want to put Franco in the 4 hole. And if you can not find a sucker for Howard in the American league I think a platoon of Howard and Ruff can work until you find a suitable replacement.

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