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Phillies sign Carlos Santana

In a surprise move, the Phillies have signed free agent first baseman Carlos Santana to a 3-year contract worth $60 million. The 31-year old Santana previously played with the Indians and hit .259/.363 /.455 with 23 HR and 79 RBI last season.

With his numbers, he is certainly expected to start for the Phillies. This means Rhys Hoskins could be moving to the outfield, or possibly even to another team. If Hoskins stays, the Phillies will be overflowing with outfielders and will likely trade one of them, perhaps for some pitching.

This deal certainly raises more questions than it answers. Stay tuned, more news and analysis from the 2017 Winter Meetings to come!

16 Comments

16 Comments

  1. Vernon Dozier

    December 15, 2017 at 4:42 pm

    I’m not sure that I’m looking forward to seeing Santana in his ages 32-34 seasons…I guess we need to wait for the other shoe to drop here.

    • Earl

      December 15, 2017 at 4:57 pm

      …..and he will be traded again….

    • bob k

      December 15, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      why ?? when we have a good young player Rhys Hoskins already at first base ??? go get some pitching

  2. Jimbo99

    December 15, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    After what Rhys Hoskins did last season as a rookie, who in their right mind would deal him. Obviously, the new Phillies regime has something against successful players ? Carlos Santana hit 23 HRs last season in 571 AB, Hoskins hit 18 in 170 AB after being called up into the 2nd half of the season. What am I missing here in terms of plate productivity ?

    • schmenkman

      December 15, 2017 at 5:38 pm

      They are NOT trading Hoskins.

      Well, anything is possible, but I would be extremely surprised if he’s not in left field on opening day.

      • Ken Bland

        December 15, 2017 at 8:24 pm

        No, they aren’t trading Hoskins, but (and I’d put in a smaller font if one existed) at the risk of looking stupid by saying I’ve been thinking this since Stanton went to NY, as opposed to some passing ludicrous thought, I’ll say this…

        Despite the internet influx coupled with reporters tripping over each other to break stories these days, the trade market is a fascinating concept. And talking trade, and executing trades are 2 different entities, SO, with the Red Sox, or at least widespread consensus being desperate to matching Yankee power, it wouldn’t hurt to put in a call to put Hoskins name out there. Sure, they could still conceivably sign JD Martinez for a large chunk of change, maybe pursue Abrieu, those sorts of things, but Hoskins might be very appealing to them. Personally, I think he’s the real deal, and his ZIPS for 2018 struck me as understated. I guess it depends on if you have any confidence in if David Price (as one possibility) has a realistic chance to get back on top of his game. Time has a value, and you don’t want to waste it, but conversation can’t hurt.

        Regarding Santana, he’s a real good acquisition. Now they have 2 guys that understand taking walks are not a bad thing in the middle of the order that can go deep. They paid a premium price that will expand the players market that much more, but that’s what non contending does. This won’t hurt Hosmer, it can’t hurt the likes of Harper and Machado. And if they just get 2 productive years as he ages, it inflates the price that much more, but at least they didn’t get stuck with a 4th year that even as an option would have added to it.

        I confidently believe the Phils are headed toward meaningful September baseball in 2018. We’ll see how this roster rounds out, which in house pitcher(s) break out, how Kapler is as well as the coaching staff as a whole, just how good the Nats and Mets are this year, but things look pretty good to me.

  3. Jim rosenburg

    December 15, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    Listen if him playing first allow us to trade fo a starting pitcher then so be it. Not giving up Kingery, or Sixto and we got a bat. Give it a chance.

  4. Tom G

    December 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    Would have preferred to play Hoskins at 1st…but means we are going to trade one of the other OF, surplus…
    And traded for Manny

  5. Craig Glessner

    December 15, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    I’m not sure Santana is better than Nick Williams or Aaron Altheer. So why trade one of them and put Rhys in the outfield. I like Santana but this move tells me Klentak has heard someone wants one of our corner outfielders for a pitcher in a trade package. If we trade Rhys, Klentak may be working at a McDonald’s near you soon. GO PHILLIES

  6. Keg

    December 15, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    I don’t believe we’re trading Rhys either. They have been parading his and JP’s faces all over as the future of the franchise. I’m hoping this means we’re shopping Herrera. I think Altherr is a good enough centerfielder to help Rhys in left. We could probably package Odubel( decent contract) and Hernandez/ Kingery for a #2 or better starter. Go Phillies

  7. Betasigmadeltashag

    December 16, 2017 at 1:51 am

    One of the worst signings since Adam Eaton Why sign a guy that is not much better then the guys you have and is older. And makes you move one of the corner prices of you future out of position. An OF of Altherr Williams and Herrara would be close to the top 3 defensive OFs in the National League. It just makes 0 sense, You already depleted The IF defense, and now what you are going to trade a better hitter in Williams Altherr or Herrara for another 4/5 starting pitcher like they did with Freddy. First you trade a guy who would have been great to have when this team turns the it around.
    This front office makes 0 sense and is clueless on how to build a team.

    • schmenkman

      December 17, 2017 at 8:39 pm

      They did not deplete the defense, Crawford will be almost as good, and will be a better overall player.

      Altherr has looked good when healthy, but while Williams did ok in 2017, he also had some red flags for his ability to keep it up, including a very high swing and miss rate, and poor plate discipline overall.

      Santana has been a much better than Williams is likely to be.

      I don’t think anyone will necessarily be traded, but if they are it won’t be for a back-end starter, more likely as part of a bundle for a top of the rotation guy.

      • Betasigmadeltashag

        December 17, 2017 at 9:26 pm

        You are talking about what Santana has done. Williams Altherr are both young and have shown they are coachable. And Crawford hasn’t shown anything to see him a better hitter then Galvis. And Hoskins if a decent defensive 1st baseman and no where near the defensive player Williams Herrara Altherr.
        It makes 0 sense to pay for a position you have locked up with a guy who is at the end of his career.

        • schmenkman

          December 17, 2017 at 9:38 pm

          Crawford was already as good a hitter (granted, not saying much) in his short MLB stint and he’s 5 years younger.

          Crawford .303 wOBA, 83 wRC+
          Galvis .298 wOBA, 90 wRC+

          Hoskins isn’t as good an OF, but then Santana is a better fielding first baseman.

          I am willing to bet that over the next three years Santana will be a better hitter than Williams.

  8. Mike Fassano

    December 17, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    During the winter meeting there was a report out of Chicago that the Phillies had sincere interest in Arrieta. I think the Phillies made an offer, and told him to get back to them if he’s interested. He’ll get longer, and richer offers, for sure, but maybe Klentak included a huge signing bonus. Why Arrieta and not Darvish? Ask the analysts in the Phillies front office. I think that they are telling Klentak who to acquire and who to give up. Just a hunch, I could be wrong.

    • schmenkman

      December 17, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      Yes, of course they are doing that, or they wouldn’t be doing their jobs.

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