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You’re the GM: Create a trade for a top-tier starter

With talk beginning to increase about the Phillies’ interest in trading for a top starting pitcher, we wondered what you would do.

The following poll question imagines you’re Matt Klentak. In your bid to make a trade for a top starting pitcher (Chris Archer, Marcus Stroman), you need to set your best-possible package to give to the other team.

So, below, pick your best package for a top-tier starter out of the 30 names listed. You can include up to five players in the trade.

You're trading for an elite SP. Who are you trading?

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33 Comments

33 Comments

  1. Joseph Ambrosini

    December 18, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    Mickey moniak
    Franklin kilome
    Ben lively
    Jake Thompson
    For
    Ian snell
    JAke Odorizzi

    • Joseph Ambrosini

      December 18, 2017 at 3:12 pm

      BLake snell

  2. Joe Kossie

    December 18, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    Ceasar Hernandez and Aron Altherr and Vince Velasquez for Chris Archer

    • Mike Fassano

      December 19, 2017 at 9:23 pm

      Not enough.

  3. pamikeydc

    December 18, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    Rhys

  4. pamikeydc

    December 18, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    Option 2: yes to Altheer or Nick W. Franco. The phils do not have any real untouchables except those arms in AA (Suarez. sixto etc)

  5. Maze

    December 18, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Aaron Altherr, OF &
    JoJo Romero, SP or Cesar Hernandez, 2B

  6. Tim Malcolm

    December 18, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Just a reminder to vote in the poll above with your trade idea!

  7. Keg

    December 18, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    It won’t allow me to vote. For Archer it’s going to be a larger haul. I’d say, Herrera, Kingery and Pivetta for Archer. For Stroman: Herrera (catching a theme?), and Cozens plus Joseph. They need outfielders and you can always use another bat in the AL. You know, for that position that shouldn’t exist. You would probably have to throw in another player for Archer, maybe 2, but that should be pretty good for both sides. Go Phillies!

  8. Craig Glessner

    December 18, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    Okay I’m going outside the box with this but I propose a trade with the Marlin’s for Jose Urena and Christian Yellich. Since we seem hell bent on dealing a young outfielder we may as well get a good one back that will save them money and add to the fire sale. The Yankees didn’t give up the farm for Stanton so here is how we land these two young stars. Aaron Altheer, Cornelius Randolph, Adonis Medina, Nick Pivetta, and either Dylan Cozens or Ranger Suarez. This would restock their outfield with young talent and give them pitching for now and some prospects. It would solidify our outfield and give us a legit number 2 pitcher. GO PHILLIES

    • Mike Fassano

      December 19, 2017 at 9:28 pm

      Money talks. The Phillies could get those players for a lot less. Just offer $20 million, Williams, and Medina.

  9. Sean Duffy

    December 18, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    I’m also unable to vote….

    But if we were to get any of the 3 pitchers rumored it would almost certainly have to start with Sanchez being the centerpiece and likely at least 2 other big pieces

    Something like
    Sanchez, williams, kingery

    To avoid including Sanchez you probably have to give up 5 players. And they are all going to be legit prospects or young promising major leaguers, largely due to the age of the players and lack of an immediate need of their teams trading them…..basically we have to make them an offer they can’t refuse or they will just keep them

  10. Buster Olney

    December 18, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    Won’t let me vote

  11. Steve

    December 18, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    I’d offer Odubel, Eschelman, Kilome, and Rupp for either Archer or Stroman….

  12. John Fox

    December 18, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Not giving up Kingery in any deal. To many flash back to the Ryne Sandberg deal.
    Sanchez, Quinn, Herrerra and Velasquez for Stroman. If possible for Machado

  13. Emmanuel McTague

    December 19, 2017 at 4:45 am

    Trade minor-league talent for established pitching when we are two or three players away from contention. Not yet. Be patient.

    • Mike Fassano

      December 19, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      STEVE – Probably not enough for those two pitchers, But maybe Cozens and Randolph get the deal done.

      EMMANUEl – Those two or three players away from contention may already be on our roster. Most of the Phillies regulars haven’t hit their peak yet, and Pivetta, Lively, and Thompson could all step up this year. FYI – The second best ERA for a Phillies starter last year belonged to Thompson.

  14. Nick M

    December 19, 2017 at 8:40 am

    I would include Alfaro in a trade. I suggested Cesar, Williams, Alfaro, Kilome and Randolph.

    Here is the thing with Alfaro. Someone has to hit 8th and it shouldn’t be Crawford or Kingery. I shouldn’t be a corner OF or a corner IF and it won’t be Odubel. So all the is left is catcher. I like Alfaro and think he can hit higher with all that power but I would be okay with giving that up in a deal for a top of the rotation starter then finding a weak hitting but strong defensive catcher to hit 8th. (like Chooch did on 07 and 08….remember, it wasn’t good offensively back then)

    • Sean Duffy

      December 19, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      This is the first proposal I have seen that looks really well thought out that might be the type of package that could do it without giving up Sanchez or suarez….though you are probably going to have to include a Second pitcher instead of randolph.

      I’m

    • Mike Fassano

      December 19, 2017 at 9:42 pm

      Bat the pitcher 8th and Crawford 9th.

  15. betasigmadeltahag

    December 19, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    Kingery should be untouchable, since they made the bad signing of Santana, I guess you can give up Williams, Herrara or Altherr, even though that would be a bad deal. It still makes no sense that you would not run that OF out there for a full year and see how far they can take you. Lower level pitchers can go because so few actually pan out. Like most recent successful teams, you develop position players and keep them not trade them for 30 year old guys who play a position you have young players to man that position. And you trade for pitching, if you can let go of some of the A AA pitchers and Hernandez for top of the line Major league pitcher that is what you do. Williams and Altherr have shown good signs that they are coachable and make adjustments so that is why you keep them. If you must give up one of the three that should starting 150 games next year I think it would be Herrera. You do have to remember if you are going to stick Hoskins to RF you need really good defensive CF and LF.

  16. Craig Glessner

    December 19, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    I’m surprised so many people want to trade the first pick in the draft Moniak for anything. I know we need a pitcher but at what cost. Moniak, Kingery, Hoskins, and Sixto Sanchez would be untouchable in any trade. I’d work around other players, we may have to give up more quantity but I wouldn’t give up quality. These players look like cornerstones for years to come. GO PHILLIES

  17. Chris B. Krebs

    December 19, 2017 at 11:44 pm

    Yeah, I’m scratching my head over the Santana signing. Not that i don’t think that he will help because he will. He is a tremendous player. It’s just that first base didn’t strike me as a problem that needed that kind of fix. That said, I am also not so blown away by the available mid level starters to get too carried away in dealing away too much of the possible future core. But will the front office be able determine and decide which players will be able to fix their flaws and which players need to be traded now at their highest value.

    • Mike Fassano

      December 20, 2017 at 11:03 am

      That’s a job for the analytics Dept. I think that every move the Phillies have made has been recommended by them. Santana gives the Phillies a veteran leader to replace Galvis, and adds another high OBP to the lineup.

  18. denzen

    December 20, 2017 at 11:20 am

    Nick Williams, Joseph and Rupp for Cole Hamels. haha

  19. Wbramh

    December 21, 2017 at 8:42 am

    How can you dump Hernandez, Altherr, Williams or Herrera when they rank as the top 4 players on the team in OBP?
    As much as the Phillies need a top pitcher, their weakest area is scoring runs. They were #18 in ERA last season and #27 in runs scored.
    If they sacrifice any two of the above players to land a stud pitcher (and that’s probably what it would take along with other considerations) it will offset much of the advantage gained by signing Santana.
    I’d sooner see them trade for Manny Machado before a star pitcher and look for the next Jeremy Hellickson to fill the gap. As I recall, they landed Hellickson for Sam McWilliams.
    The players most tradable are Franco and Joseph and neither is worth much unless a contender loses a corner infielder to injuries during the season. Yeah, you could trade Hernandez and bring up Kingery but management better damn well be sold on Kingery finding his way on base as often as Hernandez.

    • schmenkman

      December 21, 2017 at 5:53 pm

      “They were #18 in ERA last season and #27 in runs scored.”

      This makes it sound like they were a bit below average in pitching, and near the bottom in hitting.

      But because of the DH in the AL, you can’t look at it across all MLB. NL teams will tend to look better than they really are in pitching, and worse than they really are in hitting.

      In the NL, they were 10th in ERA, and 12th in scoring. Much closer.

      The other thing to consider is that the full year averages don’t necessarily accurately reflect the team that was a game under .500 in the second half last year.

      That second half team included Hoskins, Crawford, Williams, and Alfaro, and while they hit a bit over their heads overall, they were certainly better at the plate than the first half team.

  20. Mike Fassano

    December 21, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    We’re not dumping anybody. We need starting pitching. Kingery still has a lot to learn, so I don’t think Hernandez is getting traded unless we have no choice. The same could be said for Herrera, but we do have a surplus of outfielders. In a perfect world we’ll deal an outfielder and a couple of prospects for a pitcher.

    • betasigmadeltahag

      December 22, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      Kingery has proven he is ready, unless you think the Phillies are a playoff team for 2018(and they might be with a few breaks, but they are not serious contenders) then you let him finish his “learning” in the major leagues, if you can get a good return for Hernendez.

  21. Keg

    December 21, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    Finally, someone said runs scored and not people on base. You don’t need a full team of high obp if you’re striking out the other 70% of the time. We need high contact, athletic players to supplement 2 or 3 get on base guys. Power is nice, but it doesn’t win consistently. I know last year may have looked that way, but it is not the norm.

    • schmenkman

      December 21, 2017 at 5:44 pm

      “We need high contact, athletic players to supplement 2 or 3 get on base guys.”

      I don’t know what this means. What do you mean by high contact? High batting average? And if so wouldn’t they get on base a lot too?

  22. Steve

    December 23, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    I think Scott Kingery was actually READY last yr, but Phillies love to HOLD BACK YOUNG Guys for 1 reason or another!
    I’d offer Hernandez, Odubel, Vince, & any Minor Lg Pitcher other than Sixto, & 4 lefties we have in Minors for Stroman…
    Archer is not going to be productive as time goes on in my opinion…..

    • schmenkman

      December 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm

      “Phillies love to HOLD BACK YOUNG Guys for 1 reason or another!”

      This just isn’t true.

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