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Texas two-step: Nick Williams courting Jake Arrieta

Could Jake Arrieta become a Phillie? The possibility is certainly there.

Nick Williams, young outfielder and apparently the best team ambassador since the Phanatic, has been working out in Austin, Texas, this offseason with the right-handed free agent, and according to an Athletic report by Megan Montemurro, “He would love to play here.” Here as in Philadelphia, by the way.

Look, if Williams wants to talk turkey with Arrieta over breakfast tacos, I’m all for it. Arrieta put up a 3.53 ERA with an 8.7 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9 last season – not his best numbers, but clearly still good enough to be a No. 2 type. The question is how much the Phils would need to pay for someone like Arrieta. They can give him what he wants, but do they think he’s worth all of it?

8 Comments

8 Comments

  1. Steve

    January 17, 2018 at 11:59 am

    SIGN HIM…and another one…WE have the every day 8 we just need the everyday 4 or 5 starters

  2. Keith L

    January 17, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    I know the Phillies probably wouldn’t want to go past 3 or 4 years. I wonder if 3 years $66M with vesting options for a fourth or even fifth year would be doable.

    • Ken Bland

      January 17, 2018 at 4:47 pm

      On 3/66, even adding a 4th….

      Roundabout 3 weeks ago, Tim Dierkes at MLBTR projected Jake at 4/100, and in doing so, surmised that if he threw that at Jake’s agent, Scott Boras, he’d have suggested it was low. Now that’s just 1 person’s opinion, credible in a sense, but an outside guesser nonetheless.

      And I’ll add this. One should not be misled by the slow market. Some dominoes have fallen after the initial Stanton and Ohtani alleged slowdown, but a large quantity still remain. That large quantity carries a slow pace, but WILL NOT carry a droppage in money. Not for a good starting pitcher at least. When contracts are signed, they will still be crazy. Particularly since its hard to believe that division rivals MIL and STL at least from public information are still in the hunt, let alone the Cubs popping up as still possible on occasion.

      At the end of the day, take what Jake gets, then take what Jeremy Hellickson gets, and the average of the 2 in total dollars will be not a lot lower than the 66 mil you wondered if Jake might sign for. That’s something along the lines of Jake for 100 mil, Jeremy for 20 mil.

      Keep in mind that we haven’t even heard Jake to NYY rumors yet, and lux tax issues or not, that will still inflate Jake’s bottom line.

  3. Danny Kelly

    January 17, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    He would cost alot of money so it ain’t happening, They are only going to spend enough as to not piss off the fans too much and not shame themselves. They have a plan like get a first baseman when you have two already. Fire the manager for no apparent reason and replace him with somebody who has never managed before. try desparately for yet another outfielder which of course gives the existing outfielder confidence for next year. The train is heading down the track, but nobody is at the wheel.

  4. Vernon Dozier

    January 18, 2018 at 6:08 am

    I wouldn’t go past three years on a 32 year old pitcher and it looks like a lot of GMs are adopting that mindset. There are very few long term deals that turn out well at the backend, especially for players signing after age 30. Those PED years when players performed at high levels though their late 30s are long gone.

  5. Andy

    January 18, 2018 at 9:10 am

    Honest to goodness…just WHAT would they stand to lose by signing a proven CY winning SP with World Series experience, even if he’s on the other side of 30 and not still around by the time the Phils have won their own WS? I have been a diehard Phan for thirty of my forty years, but I don’t know if my waning interest can survive another season of depending upon a miracle from the same gaggle of end-of-the-rotation-in-AAA-at-best SP’s, even they were to get a “young controllable”. YAWN. Signing the biggest FA of the year would send a strong message to the even bigger FA’s of next year’s class where the Phils have their sights set–and to the Phils’s fan base that ownership hasn’t forgotten them, and wouldn’t require sacrificing Kingery, Altherr, Williams, Sanchez, Goofy, or anyone current to get the SP at least moving in the right direction. Get Arrieta–back-ended, over-committed, imperfect contract and all–NOW!!!!

  6. Jeff Orbach

    January 22, 2018 at 9:02 am

    It sort of reminds me of musical chairs. I think the Phils and the other teams as well are waiting to see which of the top 4 Arrieta, Darvish,Lynn and Cobb blink first. The Phils will probably not sign someone until February and will probably wait until they can get to lowball someone who is afraid to wait any longer.

    This is what analytics brings, the GM’s are finally realizing , just like everything else throwing money at a problem doesn’t always work.

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