Hitting Trends: Lefties And Power Arms
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, May 12, 2008 05:23 PM
The Phillies offense this year has two very startling trends, at least to my eye: Poor hitting against lefties and poor hitting against big power arms.
I checked statistics on these trends to see if they were, in fact, trends:
Phillies vs. LHP: 493 PA, . 235 AVG, .317 OBP, .438 SLG
Phillies vs. RHP: 1025 PA, .257 AVG, .329 OBP, .426 SLG
Looks like while the Phils don’t “hit” lefties as well as righties, they actually get better results when they do hit them.
Who are the main clubbers against lefties?
Pedro Feliz: 48 PA, .273 AVG, .333 OBP, .545 SLG
Eric Bruntlett: 37 PA, .265 AVG, .324 OBP, .412 SLG
Pat Burrell: 48 PA, .278 AVG, .458 OBP, .472 SLG
Jayson Werth: 49 PA, .302 AVG, .388 OBP, .651 SLG
Chris Coste: 16 PA, .308 AVG, .438 OBP, .385 SLG
Yeah, Werth gets it done against lefties. Not so much against righties (.667 OPS). Who doesn’t get it done against lefties? Obviously Ryan Howard (.148 AVG, .519 OPS), Carlos Ruiz (.190 AVG, .608 OPS), Geoff Jenkins (.083 AVG, .167 OPS).
Against the Braves this week the Phils are facing three left-handed pitchers. It might be worth the idea to field a lineup of Rollins/Victorino/Utley/Burrell/Werth/Feliz/Coste/Bruntlett at least for one of those games.
Then came the second trend, power vs. finesse:
Phillies vs. power arms: 596 PA, .228 AVG, .316 OBP, .413 SLG
Phillies vs. finesse arms: 543 PA, .280 AVG, .324 OBP, .488 SLG
Clearly the Phils knock around finesse pitchers. Guys who don’t have great stuff but try to locate balls are usually targets prime for assault, but guys who can get the fastball up there and use an effective breaking pitch will beat the Phils. In short, Cole Hamels would kill us, Kyle Kendrick would be killed.
After more investigating, I found Howard’s real achilles heel:
Ryan Howard vs. power: 66 PA, .119 AVG, .551 OPS
Ryan Howard vs. finesse: 52 PA, .302 AVG, .850 OPS
Interesting, eh? Seems Howard has bad timing with the big fastball, putting him down in counts and setting up breaking balls that kill him. Maybe it’s the same problem that ailed Burrell a few years ago.
Who can hit power?
Burrell vs. power: 69 PA, .300 AVG, 1.078 OPS
Utley vs. power: 68 PA, .295 AVG, .925 OPS
Jenkins vs. power: 39 PA, .324 AVG, .793 OPS
Greg Dobbs vs. power: 15 PA, .615 AVG, 1.667 OPS
Coste vs. power: 27 PA, .261 AVG, 1.066 OPS
Ruiz vs. power: 37 PA, .281 AVG, .785 OPS
When facing a big hurling pitcher, maybe it’s worth throwing out there a Rollins/Victorino/Utley/Burrell/Jenkins/Dobbs/Feliz/Coste lineup?
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May 12th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
It might indeed be worth considering those lineups. Charlie’s not going to, though.
May 12th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Charlie doenst change his lineup all that much when guys are all healthy. whats BS is last year he demoted burrell in the lineup when he struggles yet howards jsut as bad this year maybe worse and hes still 4th? thats stupid
May 12th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Charlie believes Howard needs to play to get better, which makes sense. The more pitches you see in real time, the better the chance to improve. But it’s better right now, for the team, to slide him lower in the order, maybe to 6th.
May 12th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
good stats. whered you find those stats or who keeps finesse /power stats?
May 12th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Baseball-reference. Saviors of the stat-keeping world.
May 12th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
amazing article!
May 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Ssshhh, Tim - stop giving away the secret. Now I won’t seem so smart when I win arguments.
Nice point by the way, it’s fun to read and think about that stuff. But Uncle Charlie will never adapt his lineup to that information.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:08 am
Tim, this was nothing short of brilliant. As others have pointed out, however, Charlie will never consider such information — which is a shame.
May 13th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Great Posting!
May 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Those stats explain alot. Too bad Gillick isnt a numbers guy. I’d like to see what our team could do with a Beane prodigy as GM.
May 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Upon more thought, Howard’s batting stance has to be part of the problem. With him standing farther back, it likely takes another few milliseconds more for his bat to reach the middle of the plate and the quick fastball. And any millisecond will throw off the swing completely. Watch him foul off pitches to the left side — that shows he’s late, which shows that stance isn’t working. He needs to move in a bit more to shorten up the swing and drive balls into center field.
Now granted, not all pitches are the same velocity, but think - he times his swing the same no matter what speed the fastball. If he moves in, the timing remains, but the swing is shorter. It makes for a more compact, succint swing that hits the ball milliseconds faster. Meaning hits.