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7 Responses to “Spotting Giants A Bunch, Phils Have No Answer”

1. Tim Malcolm Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 9:15 am

   “For every start that punches Moyer’s ERA closer to 3.00 there’s another start that brings it up, somewhere between the former number and 7.00.”

   I wrote that before checking Moyer’s ERA. It’s 5.02. Heh. Talk about predictable.

2. Bill Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 9:52 am

   You made ave a good point there though. He will give you a quality start then a start that just does not cut it. One difference I have noticed this year from last is that he almost aways kept the team in the game last year. This year he has had some starts where the team has had no opportunity to win.

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3. Tim Malcolm Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 10:59 am

   Actually, last year he had seven starts where he gave up at least six runs and the team no had chance to win. Yesterday was his first of those starts this season. His first start is a slight exception, where the Phils came back despite his poor start. A 5.00 ERA isn’t horrible with this offense. It means he’ll give up a little less than 3.5 runs in six innings.

4. Mike T. Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 11:13 am

   I can’t believe people think that Moyer giving you a quality start every 2 games even matters. Enough of that.

   I’m tired of people being so soft and trying to stick up for this team. I love the Phils to death, but we are not a good team. Something has to be done. I can lay out every single problem we have in detail, only to get a bunch of moans and groans back in return from people who say I’m pessimistic. I’m just being a realist - I know this team as good as anyone else, and probably more than all the goons in here that claim we’re such a good team. We’re not - so shut up.

   The management has doomed this team from the beginning of the year… AGAIN. We don’t have pitching, our offense is SOOOO overrated, and our defense is inconsistent. The only thing I care about is winning a World Series - nothing else. Winning the NL East championship and then getting swept by the Rockies in the ALDS is nothing — it means nothing. Stop creating a trophy out of last season, we don’t deserve shit. And until someone in the front office steps up and pushes a trade for a top 2 starter, our team will forever be: AN AVERAGE BASEBALL TEAM.

5. Mike T. Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

   Just read that Daniel Cabrera is on the block - perfect opportunity to make a move.

6. Geoff Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

   Well, even with all of their problems and a mirage rotation, which it is except for cole, the rest of the teams in the NL are so average too that the phillies will be in the hunt all year and may even make the playoffs. thats why theres not as much panic from people. the problem here is that with this rotation they have no chance of winning a world series. none. they are relying on moyer at the spot in a rotation where you need someone mmuch better. 7 starts last year where the team has no chance to win from a 3rd starter is unacceptable. maybe from your 5th starter thats ok but not the third guy. your third guy has to have an era of under 4 and be steady through 6 innings every time out. thats the bare minimum.

   daniel cabrera has been walking too much to sustain this level of production all year. its still better than what they have though at the number three slot in the rotation. i think if eaton really does fall off the wagon again theyll do something minor to patch things up until the deadline. let me be clear though, if they dont get a number 2 quality starter at the deadline they have NO chance of winning the world series. brett myers is too fraudulent to rely on down the stretch. i need another guy in there. the lineup isnt a concern despire all of its problems. i would liek another consistent hitter though but the pitching is a bigger concern

7. Lewisauce Says:
   May 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

   Mike T. and Geoff: We may disagree on some finer points, but I’m with yous 100 percent on the most important issue, and that is that it’s not about the NL East, it’s not about the regular season, it’s not about having three MVPs in a row, and it’s not about being competitive or resilient.

   It’s about winning the World Series. Period.

   That should be the goal. If it’s not, we might as well be Oakland or Kansas City. Sadly, the phuckin’ ownership group is interested in revenue streams and being “competitive.” (And, btw, revenue streams? Ask the Red Sox how much extra revenue they earned by breaking the bank to win the World Series twice in four years, what with the merchandise and the fact that people all over the freakin’ world are buying shit that says “Red Sox Nation.” But our owners can’t grasp that.)

   I’d at least look at Daniel Cabrera. Anybody who’s 3-1 with a 3.5 ERA for Baltimore (they’re worse than their record shows) is worth looking at — and he’s young. I’d at least ask what Baltimore wants in return. (Though their owner is so crazy, it might not be worth dealing with him.)

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