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18 Responses to “Werth Proves His To Reyes, Braves In 5-4 Win”

1. Tim Malcolm Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 12:34 am

   It’s a shame Werth can’t hit righties, or else he could start everyday. Also, Bruntlett and Taguchi should’ve been swapped, with Brunt pinching for Kendrick in the sixth and Taguchi coming in late for Burrell.

2. Clare Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 1:06 am

   It was glorious, I was there!

3. Lewisauce Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 4:48 am

   Go Clare.

   Two thoughts: Has Charlie given an explanation for Werth in center and Vic in right — I mean a real explanation, not “I just wanted to see ‘em out there.”

   Two, this is from Rosenthal’s column at FoxSports:

   “A scout who witnessed Daniel Cabrera’s three-hitter against the Royals last week called it, “the best-pitched game I’ve seen all year.” Cabrera was throwing 95 mph in the ninth inning, but what impressed the scout the most was that the 6-foot-9 right-hander commanded his sinker, getting 18 groundball outs. “No way they trade this guy,” the scout said. “He was like (Roy) Halladay, that’s how impressive he was.”

   The Orioles, though, could indeed attempt to move Cabrera if he continues making progress under new pitching coach Rick Kranitz. Cabrera is a free agent after the 2010 season, and the Orioles might not trust him enough to make a cornerstone. Orioles owner Peter Angelos rarely has invested long-term in starting pitching. His most recent stab at it, a three-year, $22.5 million deal for Sidney Ponson in 2004, turned out miserably.

   Cabrera, who turns 27 on May 28, will need more than six straight quality starts to restore his value; he finished 9-18 with a 5.55 ERA last season and is a very poor fielder. But the Orioles’ change in pitching coaches from the dogmatic Leo Mazzone to the more flexible Kranitz clearly seems to be working to his benefit.”

   Hmm … we’ve talked about Cabrera before. Can Dubee do him right?

4. Mike T. Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 7:49 am

   I love the Cabrera move - but the Phils simply won’t touch it. They supposedly like what we have or some crap like that.

5. Geoff Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 8:26 am

   Whats strange is right now, even though hes the 5th starter, Ill take what kendrick gives you over eaton and myers and moyer because i know that hes going to do that almost everytime out. I dont know what myers, moyer, and eaton will do each time. Moyer could show he belongs still and give up 2 runs through 7 or be out in the first. myers can dominate or meltdown at any given time. eaton is either steady or (more often) he loses the release point and gets wild and hit around. kendrick is gonna give up 3 runs or so usually but he doesnt usually get mashed that often. Ill take three runs through 6 innings from the 5th starter. its the myers, moyer, eaton starts that really really worry me. ill take daniel cabrera if he has indeed turned the corner. the orioles owners dont care about winning so theyll probably give cabrera away for a decent package.

6. Mike T. Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 8:54 am

   What kind of “package” do you think we’re talking about for Cabrera? I’m all about dealing Howard for a pitcher - but not for Daniel Cabrera. Anyone have an idea of what Baltimore would want in return?

7. Geoff Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 10:22 am

   I agree, howard has to get you a package of studly pitching/hitting prospects OR a lights out pitcher (one of the top12) though the latter might be wishful thinking. For Cabrera, you can trade a prospect package and get him without having to give up anyone off your roster.

   I dont know, for cabrera? if he really is legit this time then theyd ask for one of golson or cardenas and one of carrasco or one of the other top pitching prospects they have (happ, outman, bastardo, savery, etc.). thats what i would ask for in return for the best pitcher on my team. I dont know, you think thats too much???? maybe you can convince baltimore that its a good idea for them to take ryan madson off your hands.

   cardenas plus a lesser of their top pitching prospects? i guess so. they might ask for more than that though like another throw-in prospect or maybe even another pitching prospect. i dont know enough about the hitting prospects because i study pitching in baseball more than anything else in the game. the only hitting prospects that jump out at me are golson and cardenas, anyone think theres other hitters they can throw into a deal so as to avoid giving up the farm?

8. A Giants Fan Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 10:25 am

   Hey HoWard should be traded for cain and lowry. Whats the use of a guy who hits a HR every other day in August and September. I guess we’ll take him out here by the bay. I really don’t need a guy to hit 55 HRs, but if he is forced upon me I will take him

9. Geoff Says:
   May 14th, 2008 at 10:27 am

   although, if the orioles GM even dares mention golsons name as someone he demands, then pat gillick should just hang up the phone.

10. Mike T. Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    A Giants Fan: Get out of here with that. I’d trade Howard for Cain AND Lowry - that’s about it.

11. Bruce Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    To “A Giants Fan” ~

    Hey! “Grandstand” GMs Mike T and Geoff would gladly trade you Howard. (laughter)

12. Mike T. Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Bruuuuuuuuuce.

13. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    No. Under NO circumstances do you send him to the NL. thats a violation of superstar-trading protocol. theres always a possibility, no matter how remote, it could come back on them. it less likely to happen if you send him to the AL. theres plenty of elite young pitchers in the AL.

    id fork over howard for the right price in return. you have to consider that. teams get desperate and up the ante if you let them know hes available. what do you propose? letting him walk away for nothing in 3 years or so? signing him to an absurd contract that will be a giant hole in the payroll for years? you know hes going to become a DH-only guy by age 30. hell probably even be a great DH, but unless the NL changes anytime soon he wont do that here.

14. OZ Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    dangling Howard to some AL teams is wise.

    lets him know that we don’t need him. that said, wouldn’t trade him unless (like someone else said), an antsy team puts an offer in front of us that can’t be refused. if not, hang on to him. his stats will surely rise. sluggers go thru slumps.

15. Sean P. Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Did anyone see Kendrick has the most quality starts on the Phillies pitching staff (5) after last nights performance.

16. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Thats what i like about kendrick more than myers, moyer, eaton. you know what hes going to give you each time, and for the most part there have only been a few aberrations to that rule. moyer and eaton and myers and too unpredictable for my liking. i need some more consistent people to take their places.

17. Don M Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Why the hell would anyone trade a top prospect (in our already weak farm system)… for Cabrera a guy with a career 4.89 ERA, and a WHIP of 1.51 …we’ve already had our fair share of average pitchers in Phillies uniforms. Lets not trade the farm for another.

    Big game tonight for Myers…he’s been pretty brutal over the past month ans he has to show that he can be a go-to guy for this team

18. Don M Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    The one thing Cabrera has going for him..that would intrest the Fightin’s is that he is a ground ball pitcher… but his walks can kill… and in CBP a couple walks and hitter-friendly ballpark don’t mix well

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