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39 Responses to “Gamenight: Phillies (39-28) At Marlins (36-29)”

1. chris m Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

   tim, i dont know if you saw my comment on the other thread but the grandslam was with 1-out

2. chris m Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

   i took a lot of heat from people when i stated howard has sucked this year and he has. he is a disgrace. great to see ruiz start another game

3. Paul Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

   I see Mr. Billy Wagner blew another save for the Mets today.

4. Mike W. Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

   WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGNERRRRRRRRRRRr. WAAAAAAAAAGNERRRRRRRRRRRRR. God it makes me so happy every time this happens.

5. scot Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

   Phils win in the 9th on a Jayson Werth suicide squeeze!!!!

6. chris m Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

   745 start time…..this sucks

7. griffin Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

   Miguel Cabrera agrees with your assesment of Scott Olsen.

8. chris m Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

   looks like howard is making progress. hes still trying to pull the outside ball

9. 85 Says:
   June 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

   Thank God… It’s about time they manufactured some runs. Annnnnd of course Howard strikes out. Phew.

10. TwoTonsOfIrony Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    I wonder if Ruiz can figure out how to hit into a double play here

11. BillyPenn Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Moyer owns the Marlins….big time

12. Clare Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    3 games ahead is so much better than 1!!!!

13. Tim Malcolm Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Wow. Tough loss = 100+ comments. Good win = 14.

    Moyer was brilliant tonight. Exactly what they needed.

14. Tim Malcolm Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I meant 13 there. Now it’s 14.

15. chris m Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    ya thats bull shit….i just walked in from softball…..if i was a gambler i would say howard had ANOTHER bad game cuz he sucks

16. Phil Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Someone said a few days ago that they don’t trust Moyer as the 3rd pitcher for the playoffs. Does anyone remember game 3 of the Rockies series last year? He let up like 1 run in 7 innings. Here’s my response to that after seeing tonights game. If we make the playoffs this year, I want Moyer to be our #1 guy. He may not get the job done all the time, but he gets the job done when it’s needed. He’s a big game pitcher. Tonight was a big game, and he got the job done. He made the Marlins really good offense look like a bunch of high school kids. He located every pitch where he wanted them to be, he got guys to hit the ball where he wanted them to hit it. He was brilliant. Does anyone else here agree with me that he should be our #1 guy in the playoffs because of his big game pitching experience?

17. chris m Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    at this piont screw howard and his suporters

18. scot Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    I’d like to point this out.

    Today, Johan Santana went 7 innings against the dbacks. He left a game they needed to win and gave it over to an overworked and innefective bullpen.

    Tonight, Jamie Moyer went 8 innings. He decided he’d take it into his own hands and not worry about turning it over to anyone except the most dominant closer in the league in 2008.

    Should we compare the salaries and the hype?

    It’s a GREAT night to be a Phils fan.

19. ryan Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    wow. negadelphia is alive and well. come on people!!! the phils are 4-2 on a brutal road trip so far. we should be overjoyed if they finish this trip at .500.

20. Phil Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    They only need 1 more win to finish above .500. I doubt they’ll get swept by the Cards.

21. Greg V. Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Moyer is great and he ought to be our number one guy! The reason he did so well in Game 3 vs. The Rockies is that they were a hot hitting team and Moyer is all about off speed pitches and location. Sure, he has his bad days but so do all of them. He’s had the least amount of bad days of all our pitchers right now.

    As for Howard, trade him. Cut him. Do whatever. We’re not going to the post season if we basically have an automatic out in the clean up spot.

22. Geoff Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    moyer gets mashed hard by patient hitters. teams like this, young aggressive teams, end up looking silly against him. i gotta give that old man credit. 8 shutout innings at that age is pretty impressive. the rest of the bullpen needed that rest too.

    great job there jamie in picking up his seventh win. im really hard on that guy because of his age but ill give him credit when he gets it done. myers needs to watch and learn from him about having CONTROL of your pitches. moyer throws garbage but he locates it and impatient hitters cant get it done against him.

23. chris m Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    geoff give me the deal on howard what do you think… you as pissed as i am

24. Phil Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    I think every Phillies fan is pissed about Howard.

25. tom Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    gritty gutty win, ugly, but absolutely needed. moyer was great, this was the perfect stage for him.

    however, i am so freaking tired of carlos ruiz. marson is too young to be called up and jaraimelo can’t hit, at this point i’m going to start petitioning lieberthal to come back to back up coste. seriously, another bullpen arm and another starter would be great additions as the season moves on, but we need someone who can play every other day at catcher to split time with coste.

26. Phil Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    One thing I have to say about Ruiz and noone cares to realize this, but he calls an awesome game.

27. danny Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    i hate the marlins… i’m so happy we won this game. i’m happier we won this game than i am that billy wagner blew another save.

    hey everybody, this is the year we go out and get a huge piece before the trading deadline. right?

    this is the year.

28. Geoff Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    yeah im pissed about howard. he hasnt done anything for like 3 games. hes been really weak this year for what hes supposed to be doing. but what the hell can we do? all youre going to get for him are mlb-ready prospects, guys who are going to be rookies and who will help you next year. id DEFINITELY trade him in the offseason for a nice haul. i dont think we can get established pitchers hitters for him this year. but if he worsens then they will have their hand forced. the yankees and the angels will come in and try to get him on the cheap this year. the yankees are pretty bare, a lot of their prospects are overrated upon further review. the angels have good young players who can help us now. ervin santana, jered weaver, reggie willits, casey kotchman, howie kendrick, joe saunders are all still pretty young. would the angels give you kotchman plus santana? weaver? id trade ryan howard for two of those guys, id do that overnight. howard for ervin santana & casey kotchman? howard for jered weaver & reggie willits?

    just throwing some ideas out there. he has yankees or angels written all over him. the angels have some primo young talent there that i want the phillies to get their hands on. imagine a rotation of hamels – weaver – myers or hamels – ervin santana – myers. thats a really good one two punch.

    would the angels do that? i doubt it. but id love it if they did.

29. Geoff Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    yes htis IS the year. they HAVE to do it this year.

    also..ruiz is garbage at the plate. total slop garbage. he is a good catcher though, he just GOT worse at the plate since last year and he was bad last year

30. NEPA Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Yea, I have no problem with Ruiz behind the plate. Calls a great game and usually doesn’t kill the offense like he did last night. I’m pretty sure he’s been the Phils leading hitter with RISP, so he usually takes advantage of RBI situations. I’d love Coste to be younger and able to play everyday, but he’s not. Ruiz/Coste platoon is fine with me. Plus, Ruiz is our 8 hole hitter, look around the league and you’ll see almost nobody gets any production from their 8 hole.

31. NEPA Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    As for Howard, at this I think we’re gonna have to deal with him being unclutch and inconsistent all year. This was a huge series and he totally shit a brick. In the beginning of the season we were just waiting for him to get hot then we knew he’d be fine. But now he’s gotten hot once or twice and he’s back to being a big joke. He looks like a big clown out there.

32. Geoff Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    you cant ground into double plays though. thats a cardinal sin. if he can just not do that hed be a better 8 hole hitter

33. NEPA Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    And before last night’s game nobody was talking about how Ruiz hits into a ton of DP’s. He had a rough game but I think he’ll be fine, at least as fine as Carlos Ruiz can be.

34. Geoff Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    i think hes getting replaced by lou marson next year. theyll trade him for a bad prospect or let him go at the end of the season.

35. NEPA Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Yea, I can definitely see that happening.

36. philspan Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    I also think that Marson is the Phillies starting catcher of the future. The question is what to do with Ruiz and Coste. I would try to trade Ruiz since I think he has more trade value and keep Coste as the back-up catcher. Coste is a better hitter and has more versatility when it comes to positions.

37. tom Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 6:24 am

    double plays aside, it’s june 13th and ruiz is batting .221. that’s just not very good, and with howard’s .203 or whatever there are holes in this lineup right now that are contributing to games like the first two marlins games, and to a lesser degree the braves games (which they had to come back or score late in to win). it’s hard to score runs without guys on, and recently on any given night there are 3 or so guys who are putting up 0fers.
    ruiz is an average defensive catcher and nothing more, if was a shutdown guy behind the plate and was better at throwing runners out his prolonged slumps would be easier to swallow.
    ruiz had stretches of brilliance last year, but his offensive struggles become magnified by this dr jekyl mr howard act. if howard were hitting any hitting from the catcher spot becomes a bonus… but right now they need something from that spot.

38. griffin Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Ruiz isn’t as bad as everyone is making him seem. How many good hitting catchers are out there? The Phillies catchers are about the NL average. Ruiz calls a good game and helps lower the team ERA. You don’t need an all-star hitter at every position.
    Now Howard is another story……

39. Phil Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    I can’t agree with you more Griffin. The only time I like seeing Coste in the line-up is against lefties because, Ruiz is actually better at hitting righties, and because of Utley and the K King being lefties, and the fact that Burrell is better at hitting righties. It makes me assured to see that bat at the end of the line-up ready to do something when there is a lefty starting against us.

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