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68 Responses to “A.S. and A.H.: Bedard Close?”

1. scot Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 11:58 am

   Make the trade. This team needs a shakeup. We barely have 4 pitchers as is. There was no talk of a Bedard attitude problem in Baltimore, only when he went to Seattle and the whole team tanked and fell apart. This is the best option left and the Phils are crazy not to do it.

2. Geoff Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

   The one thing Im worried about: Pat Gillick is trading top prospects to a team for a guy with question marks (though with great stuff) and hes going to take over that same team with the phillies prospects now on it.

   someone already said it but that is DEFINITELY a conflict of interest.

   the more i think about it the more ill pull for oswalt because hes right handed and they need another righty starter.

3. Jeffrey Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

   This Gillick-to-Seattle stuff is really just fodder for rumor mongering on WIP and blogs at this point so let’s please not get carried away with the conspiracy theories.
   If it ends up being true, then yeah, he’s a dirtbag. I’m not aware, though, of any evidence from his career that he has that kind of reputation.

   I’d be disappointed for Carrasco to go without ever finding out how good he might be but Bedard’s got major league talent today and is more of an upgrade than Randy Wolf or Greg Maddux or whatever.

4. TJ Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

   Oswalt or Bedard would be sweet as for the conflict of interest, I dont believe Gillick will do anything that would hurt this team and benefit the M’s.

5. MS Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

   doesn’t matter when you get shut out

6. Pete Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

   No way Gillick should be heading up any trade for Bedard – it’s got to be Amaro because of the conflict issues.

   Rather than Bedard or Oswalt, I’d like to see the Phils make a play for Harang (better yet, Harang and Freel – the Reds have said they’ll listen to offers) or Greinke, if the Royals are willing to sell. What really irritates me is that we couldn’t get a deal done for Harden, while the Cubs get him AND excellent bullpen help for one plus prospect, one so-so prospect, and two bums.

7. Mike T. Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

   Carlos Ruiz sucks.

8. Geoff Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

   Aaron Harang is injured.

9. Pete Says:
   July 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

   Harang may or may not be injured – obviously, any deal would need to be contingent on a physical, lest we end up with Freddy Garcia II.

   Regardless, Bedard and Oswalt are injured, too, so if we’re talking about them there’s no reason not to consider Harang.

10. PhillyFriar Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Greinke is a good suggestion, but the Royals seem (wisely) unwilling to part with him.

    Tim, I like the Carrasco/Golson/d’Arnaud suggestion. I’d even be willing to throw in a de Fratus or a Roth to replace one of the projectable arms (Tillman, Butler) they gave up to get Bedard in the first place.

    And to everyone saying the A’s got ripped off: please, name me the last time Billy Beane got ripped off. I’m surprised he gave up Gaudin as well, but Harden’s health is a BIG concern.

11. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Billy Beane NEVER gets ripped off in this type of deal. Hes made a few bad small minor deals. But he doesnt screw up big deals like this. Chad Gaudin is probably about to tank or something and harden is about to get injrured again. beane knows all.

12. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    ricky botallico said that brett myers wants to be traded. and myers had a hilarious denial to it. did anyone see that? it was classic

13. Pete Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    I’d be all for trading Myers, except if they pull the trigger now, they’d be selling as low as possible. No sense in that…they’d be better served to bring him back as a setup guy and then shop him to teams in search of a closer this off-season.

14. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    I concur. but in the hyperdrive world of modern pro sports I think teams will try to get him for their bullpens this year. it is selling but if it helps you get a key piece then go for it.

15. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    hes not going to be out closer so there is NO way he wants to stay here.

16. Don M Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    No team wants him on their team right now because he hasn’t thrown a good pitch in the past month… thats like adding Tom Gordon to your team right now and wanting to use him in pressure situations, late in games.. no team would want Myers right now and plan to use him for this season.

    Teams might ask about him because he would be “buy-low” with a high upside… but the phillies would be fools to trade him now and get nothign in return

17. Don M Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Ricky Botallico is a moron.. he just cost himself any chance he would ever have of breaking a story with inside information.

    He tried to tell everyone that he talked to Myers and Myers said he wanted to be traded… Myers and the Phillies have both since denied it.. and now Bottalico will never get another player to tell him something, ever.

18. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Of course the Phillies and Myers will deny it. Sports teams always lie about stuff like that.

    Do you believe anything Andy Reid says at all? hes one of the biggest liars in sports.

19. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    besides, theyre supposed to deny it. theyre mad at bottalico because saying that lowers his trade value. denials raise trade value. on the surface at least.

20. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Yeah, I have a feeling Myers did tell Botallico that. It’s either that or Botallico(being a closer) is lying because he thinks Myers wants to be a closer just like himself.

21. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Its a message from myers to the rest of baseball basically to come and get him. he and the phillies can deny it so it looks good.

22. Don M Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I don’t doubt that Myers said it… He’s said the same exact thing before, actually all offseason he said it.. But RickyBo is a jackass and now he’s causing drama and I’ll bet that he’s not back next year as their announcer or whatever he’s doing

23. Griffin Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Billy Beane did get ripped off when he traded Tim Hudson to the Braves for Charles Thomas an Dan Meyer. There’s a reason you haven’t heard of them.
    He’s still a very good GM, but every GM makes a bad trade once in awhile.

24. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Yeah that is true I forgot about hudson.

25. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    That guy would be awesome on the phillies.

26. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Oh, Tim Hudson? We’re not getting Tim Hudson.

    FYI did you know the Phillies almost traded Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Cole Hamels to Oakland for Barry Zito…Ed Wade said no, thank god. Billy Beane is really a genius.

27. ryan Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    do it. it needs to be done now. who cares if he’s an asshole. steve carlton was one of the biggest assholes ever.

28. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Speaking of hitters that get on base…there are rumors that Ichiro is going to be made available. Maybe a trade for Bedard and Suzuki could be made. We’ll even give them Taguchi so they can keep a Japanese player. haha

29. Bruce Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    I’m sorry to be a spoilsport to your fantasy baseball wishlist of pitchers for our team. I, like most fans would love to have another “stud” in the rotation. I understand the need to speculate on motives, conspiracies, theories, etc. regarding Myers. That’s all part of the fun here. However, I’m a realist and will use a reality check in this post. We read official statements from Gillick and Manuel that their first order of priority is to have Myers resolve his “mechanics” issue and bring him back into rotation before or immediately after the all Star break. I think that the question of a possible trade for another pitcher will depend on whether or not Myers has a successful comeback and not before. Remember the trade deadline is still three weeks away.

30. Griffin Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Yeah, you’re right Phil. I remember years ago that the Phillies were thinking of trading Utley and Hamels. I thougth it was for Mulder. But still, that would’ve been a disaster.

    The Phillies should trade for Gaving Floyd. Just kidding.
    Bedard is a turd, but the Phillies need something, if we can get him without giving up Marson, I’d do it.

31. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Bruce, theyre always going to say that they want Myers to get it right. They just dont say “oh yeah hes done were trading him.” Noone says that. Theyll say we want him to come back and then send someone else to go out on radio and admit that they are actively going after starting pitching. You gotta take a step back and look at the bigger picture. These people act like theyre the CIA trying to mix up other teams and send all kinds of signals. You see it more in football. NFL head coaches actually think theyre some kind of general fighting a war, its absurd.

    thats how sports organizations behave. theyre always dispatching people to say all kinds of things.

32. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    were obviously not getting tim hudson, noone said that. it just would be awesome to have his sinker in CBP.

33. NYC PIMP DaDDy Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    LOLZ U DOPES UR NOT GETTING 1 THING

34. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    nyc pimp daddy, you have to be the dumbest person I’ve ever come in contact with. You remind me of the retarded rapper in that one episode of it’s always sunny in philadelphia. You really need to pull a Billy Madison and go back to elementary school, because you have the IQ of a rock. Actually, I’d put my money on the rock to beat you in a spelling bee. I wouldn’t mind trash talking Mets fans trolling a Phillies message board if they at least had a tiny bit of intelligence, but you my friend are a fucking moron. Get a life and get an education. You are worthless and, if I was as dumb as you I’d seriously consider suicide. I know you are full of shit about money and women because you are too dumb to get a job besides working at McDonalds and no matter how attractive you may or may not be a girl doesn’t want a guy as dumb as you. Seriously, shoot yourself in the fucking head, if you aren’t dumb enough to figure out how to turn the safety off.

35. jeff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Good to see the mets fans are bringing their usual levels of eloquence to this site. Its tough to turn of the Caps Lock with such greasy fingers.

36. ryan Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    anybody want to bet me that NYC PIMP DADDY is a 35 year old virgin living in his mom’s basement?

37. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    No Ryan, you’d win. Honestly, I have no problem with trolls. I think they’re funny, and it’s fun to have a rival sports city, but I do have a problem with really dumb people.

38. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Guys, just ignore that douche. Its a waste of internet space to keep responding to that retard.

39. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Oh, I’ve been ignoring him the whole time. I was kind of hoping that I would be able to make him cry.

40. fred Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Oswalt would be sweet. He’s far more durable than Bedard, and he’s pitched in a bandbox his whole career and succeded. I’d be willing to give up Carrasco and another top prospect (not named Marson) to acquire Oswalt. Marson should be in the bigs NOW, ruiz blows.

41. metsos Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    whats up?

42. jeff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    metsos come see us when youre in first place you greasy motherfucker

43. metsos Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Look at the philly fans freak out. You guys need 4 pitchers not one. your shortstop needs to step it up. your first basemen has what 120 k’s. Pretty much bums the rest of the field, aside from utley, who is the only guy on your team worth anything for a trade. So go out and get a mediocre pitcher and throw away your farm that sounds good to me. hope you enjoyed your 3 playoff games for the decade. Lets Go Mets.

44. TJ Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    I think that was a sincere, Whatsup? If not, then fuck you, if so, nothing much.

45. jeff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    haha yeah we got all that shit going on and we’re in first place. plus we dont have to remember the biggest collapse in the history of baseball. or live in new york.

46. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Metsos you cna bash someone that has 120 k’s all you want, but he’s doing his job. He’s driving in runs. That’s what he gets paid to do. Rollins does need to step it up, you’re right. Hamels isn’t worth anything for a trade? You’re dumb. Victorino is sought out by so many teams. And JAyson Werth is the most underrated player in baseball. Pat Burrell is having a monster year and is leading all NL outfielders in offensive numbers besides RBI’s. Moyer and Kendrick are having pretty good seasons as well. They’ll dip below a 4.0 ERA when all is said and done. You can’t have 5 pitchers that are aces, no team does, well maybe besides the Angels.

47. TJ Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Ok, so I’m guessing your Mets are perfect as is? Thanks for the tidbit of info, though. I really, really, value your opinion on the 1st place Phillies. Yeah, 1st place. Are you still bitter about September?

48. Don M Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Good thing they didn’t give up the whole farm for Santana… oh… wait, yea they did..

49. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    haha good thing they didn’t give up Kazmir for Victor Zambrano!

50. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    OH wait, better yet. Grady Sizemore, and 2 other players that are good I forget who exactly for COLON!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Man, the Mets are horrible.

51. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    If Minaya was the Phillies GM he would have been assassinated a long time ago. He’s worse than Ed Wade.

52. TJ Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Phil, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee are the other two your looking for.

53. TJ Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    and that was an Indians- Expos trade, the mets weren’t involved unless I’m wrong.

54. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I coulda swore that trade was from the Mets. Maybe I am wrong.

55. Phil Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    You were right…it was the spos. Man, I am so glad they made that move. The Nats would be scary right now if they hadn’t. They’d have a legit ace, a great 2B and, CF. They already have a good 3B, mediocre 1B, and good SS. Lastings Milledge might become good too. Oh, there catcher is also good. I am so glad that trade got made.

56. Rob E. Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Hold a Mets fan telling us our short stop needs to step up. Reyes is the 2nd most overrated Short stop in the league next to Jeter

57. Geoff Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Reyes is garbage. If he didnt play in NY nobody would know who he is. Total overrated pile of garbage with a poor attitude and no work ethic at all.

58. TJ Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    “Total overrated pile of garbage with a poor attitude and no work ethic at all.”

    I’m not sure how you did it but you managed to describe the Knicks, Yankees, and Mets in the same sentence.

59. Lewisauce Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    jeff said; “It’s tough to turn off the caps lock with such greasy fingers.”

    Probably the funniest thing I’ve ever read on this site. Sums up Mets fans so perfectly.

    And Reyes is garbage. (Even though metsos is right that our SS needs to step it up.)

60. harry Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    bedard or harang are our best bets for a legit number 2. oswalt isn’t leaving houston, he has a full no-trade clause. also bedard would probably love to play for a contender, considering he never has.

61. Bruce Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    I’m not a Mets fan but I must say if one were to compare this season stats for Reyes and Rollins, who do you think is most productive as oppose to “garbage”.

62. LetsGoMets! Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    when was the last time your city won a championship?

    Giants beating the pats was ok, I guess.

63. metsos Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    1964 PHILLIES 6.5 games up with 12 to go. lost 10 straight and finished in a tie for second. So pretty much the only baseball club to have a worse collapse then the mets last year was the Phils. Yea we gave up the whole farm. That’s why the indians called us to see if we wanted Sabathia. Did the phils get a call. Did they turn him down? you guys talk about over rated. you guys act like you won the world series last year. you only played 3 more games then the mets and lost them all. it took the SECOND worse collapse in history for your team to win a pennant. Mediocre baseball is def worse then the baseball the mets played. hopefully Ankiel goes yard and wins this thing.

64. metsos Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    shit. good win

65. LetsGoMets! Says:
    July 9th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    seriously, and how did we give up the whole farm? Neither Fernando Martinez (our best prospect) or Mike Pelfery (who has been lights out recently) were included in the deal. Philadelphia is just not a winning city, it hasn’t been for over 25 years which is pathetic considering it has all 4 major sports teams.

66. harry Says:
    July 10th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    wow, one good prospect in f-mart. pelfrey is garbage, don’t get your hopes up he’ll fall apart soon enough. your team is old and has no one in the minors to take anyones place. so you better hope they start investing a lot more money in free agents.

67. NyMeTs Says:
    July 10th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    we did give up a pretty good load to get Johan. 4 of our top 8 prospects I think. We’ll see how well Santana does down the 2nd half, cause he’s got good numbers, he just isn’t getting W’s… But the rest of the Mets fans are probably going to bash me for saying that because they are all dirty greaseballs who think Jose Reyes is a good baseball player.

68. Throwbacks Says:
    June 20th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    I’m a lover of football, just wish it was played all year round, thanks for posting such a good article. I’ll be back to read often now.
    Dave

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