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27 Responses to “Assessing Happ’s Performance”

1. aas Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

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2. Bear Mike Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

   The kid did a great job last night barring the BB’s. He definently deserves another start. I can only imagine what Brett is thinking right now. Maybe this will put a little fire under his ass?

3. Geoff Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

   I think that adam eaton is not the guy on the hot seat in this rotation.

   happ can stay as a fifth guy. eaton gets shipped out of here because he wont be used in the playoffs anyway again.

4. Geoff Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

   now on the hotseat i meant.

   happ can stay. i like his stuff better than adam eatons.

5. Geoff Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

   to pat gillick: please get rid of adam eaton while you have the chance, while he has value.

   i believe in not getting rid of oyung capable pitching.

6. Greg V Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

   I have to give him this, for his 2nd major league start against a two time Cy Young winner not to mention the Mets, I thought Happ did a hell of a job. Even though he got in that jam in the 5th inning, it did not turn out as bad as I thought it would. Myers and Eaton would have ended up getting the bases cleared somehow. Not to mention, Happ totally struck out Wright and that ump made a bad call.

   Happ needs work, absolutely. It was encouraging to see Moyer and the other pitchers talking to him after he was pulled almost teaching him a class it looked like. I think things will work out good for him.

7. Bruce Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

   Geoff~ please count to ten and think carefully in your opinions.

   After just one start by Happ, you’re once again ready to unload Eaton. Never mind Eaton’s improvement this year including 13 quality starts in 17 I think.

   You said…”Even though he got in that jam in the 5th inning, it did not turn out as bad as I thought it would.” You have to thank Durbin for that (striking out Beltran with bases loaded).

   As Charlie Manuel stated…”better fastball.. with more seasoning, his command will get better”. I wonder if that’s with the Phillies or AAA.

   My point is to the bandwagoners here, let’s not jump to any conclusions on Happ. He seems to have good “stuff”. However, in the majors, adjustments between hitters and pitchers are a daily occurrence. It will be interesting if and when Happ gets another start, to see if he can improve his command and the maturity to be prepare for any adjustment(s) the hitters will eventually make.

8. Phil Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

   Moyer will teach him everything he needs to know. He just needs to listen to what he has to say, which I’m sure he will. Moyer taught Hamels and Kendrick a lot.

9. rocky Says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

   can someone help me with a question about the draft.did poe sign with the phillies and did anyone see any other signing.

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11. NJ Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Happ’s not going to stay with the big club unless he pitches two seven strong absoulte jems, Myers is coming back and if it isn’t as a starter (short of Happ starring) then the Phils will acquire a starting pitcher. If Myers does come back stronger then Eaton should be worried because the Phils have made it no secret were very much in the market for a starter and the way Kendricks pitched Eaton’ll be the odd man out.

    Great start from Happ, sure things got tough in the 5th but he went onto that mound with enough confidence to inspire confidence.

12. Tim Malcolm Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    I’m thinking, let’s say Happ has a few 6 IP, 3 R starts or something. When Myers is ready (if he is), Happ gets sent down to AAA and finishes the year there. Then next season Happ takes Moyer’s role in the rotation.

13. NJ Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    What makes you think Moyer wont be a Phil next year?

14. Geoff Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Moyer should retire after the season and become a pitching coach for them.

    bruce - what is adam eaton your man-love-crush?

    do you not agree that signing people in-season (lidge, durbin, hamels) to contract extensions to A: make them happy (hamels) or B: hold your team together in the future is a BAD idea? thats your other man-crush pat gillick’s policy. do you agree with that policy?

    if chad durbin has a great season and especially is lidge continues this way and you just let it ride until free agency, guess what? its only going to be harder ? (with lidge, maybe impossible) to keep these guys.

    they already are thin in the organization from to to bottom. his policy caused us t lose aaron rowand, someone we could surely use now. if he was offered a deal in-season hed still be here. but you let it go and then some team comes in and offers the moon and hes gone. that is a RETARDED policy. completely idiotic.

15. Geoff Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    i think its worth keeping happ around to come into the rotation next year. just get rid of adam eaton. QS aside, he just doesnt win like he should.

16. Geoff Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    preferably this year, but they seem to be married to eaton.

    what if eaton get net us some kind of useful outfielder because of the inflated value of starting pitchers now? id do it

17. Don M Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Geoff,

    How come everytime one of us gives credit for Gillick being a good GM… you think its cool to tell us we have a crush on him?

    Who was the GM last year when the Phillies made the playoffs last year? Who got them the bench they have now, along with Lidge, Romero, and Durbin (who you seem to love so much right now)..

    He’s not going to be able to get rid of Adam Eaton.. and he’s been good all year anyway, so there is no need to get rid of him.

18. Gavin Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    I hope Happ likes the weather in SEA. Thats where he’ll pitch in the Bigs.

19. Phil Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    I agree with Geoff to not get rid of young pitchers. We’ll have a young pitching staff next year. Hamels, Kendrick, Happ, Carrasco, and Myers(if he gets his act together). I agree with trading Eaton. If Happ has it together he will be the odd man out. I’d rather them trade Eaton then a young pitcher who has potential. Not to mention we have Bastrada(sp) too.

20. Don M Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Bastardo* isn’t close to being ready to pitch in the bigs… and correct my if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Geoff and Phil (or maybe “phil”) that have been saying how bad we need a #2.

    If you have Hamels, Kendrick, Happ, Carrasco, and Myers… you’re going to get smoked..

    IF the phillies could get something in return for Eaton (trust me, they can’t) Im sure they would make that move in a heartbeat.. But he is pitching well this year (not great enough to have trade value at $8.5 Million per year though) and you don’t need to get rid of him

21. fred Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 6:22 am

    The only way they could get rid of Eatons salary is by giving him away. There’s really no point doing that, for all we know Happ could be bombed in his next couple of starts. I’d still make a move for a starter and move Myers to the pen, he’s clearly more comfortable there and our ‘pen is on the verge of collapse in my opinion. Gordon sucks, Romero could become the pitcher he was in ‘05-’06 and suck, and Seanez always has sucked. Just because they’ve performed well so far dosn’t mean the ‘pen can’t be improved further.

22. NJ Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 7:04 am

    The pen needs to get some youth in there and that’s the only way of finding some longer-term stability in personnel, it’s very important we get Matheison into then pen at the very least. Extending Durbin could a great move but his extended success is no guarantee.

    It would take more than giving Eaton away to be rid of him, as with Helms we’d have to eat most of his final years salary which is a possible scenario if he looses the spot in the rotation and isn’t slated for long-relief. As for Moyer he’s expressed his intention to pitch past next year at the very least and it’s hard to see how that’ll be with anyone other than the Phils, that makes it all the more important to find that number 3 guy (assuming the number 2 can be Myers) that will allow us to round out the rotation with Moyer. It’s going to be tough to see Happ staying around in Philly, by the time a permenant back-end spot opens up the piching prospects at high A through AA are going to be prefered.

23. Phil Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    I have a lot of confidence that Myers will get back to form now that he’s in the minors. No, Myers is not a bullpen pitcher. he does not have the stuff to be a bullpen closer. He’s a starter. He needs psychological help, and if he can get that then he can be a really good starter. if he can’t get it done then see if he has trade value as a closer and get him out of Philly. Myers can be our #2 starter if he has it together. Right now we’re saying trade for a #2 because we don’t have a #2 we have a head case.

24. Phil Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Eaton does have trade value. If Arroyo and Wasbern have trade value than Eaton does of course. The starting pitching market is ridiculously thin.

25. NJ Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 8:49 am

    I’d agree wholy with you about Brett, I think the whole idea of him of an elite closer is one he’s created trying to become the next John Smoltz. I worry if we acquire that elusive number two we will overpay enough for it to hurt and will block Brett’s route to the top of the rotation in his mind.

    Arroyo’s been a solid top of the rotation guy with the Reds since being traded from the Sox untill this years blip which is whats kept his value up and the value in Washburn is his experience which is coverted at this time of year more than anything and Eaton doesn’t have either of those on his cv.

    Eaton’s struggling to solidify his spot at the back of our rotation, he carries very little clout as a veteran presence in and when trade options may be open in the off-season they’ll be much better options available for potential suitors. I hate to be pesimistic but we’d have to be very very lucky to trade Eaton in a deal that benefits us.

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