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1. Geoff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

   They must LOVE greg golson.

2. Pete Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

   We should call Beane and ask what he wants for Justin Duchscherer before we pull the trigger on Burnett (though I still stand by the idea that Burnett is preferable to Bedard)

3. Geoff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

   what kind of numbers does dusch. have going back a few years?

   is he a one year wonder or what?

   i havent looked at his career nums a lot lately

4. Pete Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

   Only problem with Duchscherer is that he hasn’t started regularly till this year, so there’s no good way to tell if he’ll hold up. Also, his ERA this year (1.78) is likely to go up, as I read that he’s got a .227 BABIP which won’t hold up all year.

   Still, his career ERA+ is 142 and WHIP is 1.10. That’s fantastic. ERA+ from 2003-2007: 134, 139, 198, 152, 85. He was an all star in 2005. Last year was a down year but he’s clearly bounced back. Beane wants to wait until after the season to talk extension, so there’s a fair chance he could be had. Then again, who knows with Beane, and I’m not sure I’m comfortable with Gillick/Amaro trying to match wits with him.

5. Pete Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

   That said, Duch has already pitched a career high in innings this year at 101 (due to the fact that he only made spot starts before this yr). So, will he hold up? Who knows. Then again, when you’re talking about one guy on the DL (Bedard) and one guy who has given up 13 ER in his last two starts (Burnett), I wouldn’t be too quick to write Duchscherer off.

6. Pete Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

   I’d offer the A’s Donald, Mattair, and two low-level guys for Duchscherer and Embree, and see what Beane says.

7. Griffin Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

   Pete’s got the stats to back up his argument. People wonder if Duch hold up next year (like Carmona didn’t this year) but I like Pete’s proposal.

8. Geoff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

   Gillick/Amaro are no mattch for Billy Beane. Hes one of the top two three GM’s. given that he has no money at all to work with he might be the very best.

9. Geoff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

   Its a good proposal. alan embree is 38 though. carmona assed out after signing that lucrative 11mm/year extension. ill bet their worried as hell over there.

10. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    liriano really assed out too but hes been hurt

11. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    I think we should trave werth in a deal for Zack Greinke and sign bonds to play in right.

12. Pete Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I hope Beane is looking at Carmona and thinking that Duch won’t hold up next year – then maybe he’ll sell as low as he sold Harden. The Phils were clearly willing to trade half the farm for an obvious rental, so getting another guy who may only be here for a year for much less cost seems sensible to me. If Duch is available, his value is as high as ever right now, so Beane may come out gunning instead. I just hope someone in the front office is making the inquiry.

    Greinke would be ideal, but the Royals don’t seem to have ANY interest in moving him. I’d be willing to include Werth in a deal, but the remainder of the asking price would probably be so high that it wouldn’t be worth it, even for Greinke.

13. Rob E. Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    See what the Royals want for Grienke and move from there

14. Mike W. Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Wright was given that all star spot over Burrell (Soriano’s spot)???? What a joke.

15. Pete Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    MLB trade rumors (linking, I think, to Stark) said that the Phils and Brewers inquired about Greinke and were turned away. It really makes no sense for the Royals to move him, so I don’t know that there’s much we can do. An offer of the type they couldn’t pass up (say, Werth, Cardenas, Carrasco and Outman) is WAY too much to pay.

    Also, my proposal above probably won’t work for the A’s – they’d want a pitcher. Donald, Bastardo/Outman, and two filler guys for Duchscherer and Embree still makes sense to me.

16. Griffin Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    I’d much rather have Duch than Burnett

    Clint Hurdle is a duche. He picked Aaron Cook over Johan and Hamels. That is embarassinly biased.
    Hurdle’s playing a 3 game set in New York starting tonight, so of course he picked Wright.

    I heard something on the WFAN today that this will be the first all-star game since 1940 where the league leader in HR and RBI isn’t there.

17. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Yeah tahts disgraceful. say whatever you want about howard, but he should, without question, be in the all star game. and clint hurdle is a COMPLETE douche.

18. Bruce Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Griffin~ Hank Sauer (1948 Reds) was the last NL player to lead the league in homers and RBIs and left off the All Star game roster. There is still a very slight chance Howard could be added to the roster in the event of injury.

19. Amanda Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    i hate clint hurdle i always have hes an idiot

20. Phil Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Dude, David Wright…that guy has 10+ ASG’s ahead of him. Whynot take the guy that has his 1st chance of making it?

21. Griffin Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Thanks for the info Bruce. That’s a pretty remarkable stat. 60 years!

    So the Rockies and the Giants have as many all-stars as the Phillies.

    Also, why is Brian Wilson on the all-star team? The Giants are already represented with Lincecum. Wilson has a 4.37 ERA in a pitcher’s park and yet he’s picked over Johan and Hamels.

    Hurdle’s a duche.

22. Pete Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Let’s trade Eaton to the Yanks for Austin Jackson…Cashman’s always been an overrated fool.

23. Griffin Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Haha, yeah, we should ask for Hughes as well. We’ll throw in the Swindler!

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