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92 Responses to “Hamels, Phils Suffer Tough Loss”

1. Tom Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am

   MAKE THE TRADE FOR HOLLIDAY RIGHT NOW…

   OUR PITCHING IS FINE ITS OUR OFFENSE WHO CAN’T HIT…ADDING A .340 hitter IN THE LINEUP CHANGES EVERYTHINGGGGGG

2. TJ Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:08 am

   Cole Hamels has been a home run machine this year. Five homeruns given up in his last 3 starts and six multi-HR games this year. Most of the time they tend to be solo shots but I thought I’d point that out.

3. TJ Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am

   But that isn’t to blame Cole at all for these loses he’s taken this year. He has taken a loss or ND in four 1-run games. I would love to see Holliday in this lineup more than anything but I find it very radical of fans on this site to call for a trade every time we take a loss and completely switch their view when we win. Let’s be honest, the Holliday and Fuentes deal is entirely too rich for our tastes but if we somehow only get Holliday for lesser than Marson, CC, Vic, and someone else, I would seriously consider. I know that our bullpen has been shaky the last couple times out but their very capable of doing their job, just use the right guys.

4. Mike T. Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:14 am

   No pitching available = must get Holliday.

5. Eric Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am

   I really didn’t think the Holliday/Fuentes trade was for real…and now I hope it is. Lots of people have been saying the Phils should either go ‘all in’ this season and go for the World Series, or stick with what they have and hope to contend for the next few years with the nucleus as it stands now. The Rockies deal would be a signal in the win now attitude, obviously, but they could keep Holliday past this season if they wanted to. The Morning Report in the Inquirer had a pretty interesting scenario. Either way, having a .340 hitter in your lineup would definitely perk up that situational hitting, yeah?!

6. TJ Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am

   I dont think we need another pitcher, but we do need a bat. Holliday may not be the best option for us out there either, we need someone who can slap singles for a cheaper price. Randy Winn, Ryan Freel, Willy Taveras even. I’ve been saying this the day I started on this site. Again, it would be nice to get a Matt Holliday but he is too expensive as of right now and we can get someone of a lesser price that can help us win.

7. Todd Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am

   starting to realize that they really miss aaron rowand… last year, in all of those MOB situations after howard would strike out… he seemed to always get the big hit. Now we just have jenkins, feliz and ruiz doing exactly the opposite.

8. Rivlez Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:31 am

   I don’t think we have a chance in the world to get Holliday? Who are we going to give up??

9. MIKE FLO Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am

   let me get this straight you have howard, utley, rollins …2 straight mvps with a third one possibly on the way….and burrell having an all star season…and your all crying to get holliday? and willing to give up your best prospects for him? dont you philly fans ever want to win anythinggg? its sooo clear that your starting pitching is crap…. and last week you were all on here saying how bad you needed pitching…. nowww your pitching is fine this week and you need hitting? GET A CLUE.

10. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am

    We shouldn’t have traded for Blanton and should have made a blockbuster trade to the Pirates for Nady, Marte, and Grabow. That would have solved all 3 of our issues in one.

11. TJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Rivlez, aren’t you a Mets fan?

12. Tom Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:39 am

    I am not screaming after a loss…im saying that this has been going on for a month now and something needs to get this team goin and nothing would help that but putting a great hitter in the lineup like holliday…instantly make us WS contender…

13. Tom Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am

    I don’t want to give up marson though…throw golsen in that trade and not give up marson because that would be tragic to have to go through a another season with ruiz hitting .190

14. MIKE FLO Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am

    No…it would not instantly make you a world series contender…. great pitching beats great hitting….ask the yankees. Phils rotation is not good enough to go up against the Cubs or Brewers rotation, with their big 1/2 combos

15. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Throw Donald in the trade instead of Golson or Marson. Our OF is thin. We need Golson.

16. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Mike Flo, our pitching isn’t losing us games, our offense is. Good pitching, good defense, and situational hitting wins you championships. We don’t have situational hitting. Our pitching is adequate enough if we can situationally hit.

17. dan Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Is Marson Major League ready next season?

18. Gavin Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am

    I would make the trade if they let me include Golson or Werth in place of Victorino, and any other prospect instead of Marson.

    Golson/Carrasco/Happ/Harmen

19. Tom Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am

    marson will be up next year and golsen strikes out to much to play for this team exspecially since we strike out already to much….

    idc who we put in the deal but im totally fine with them giving up vic CC donald and some1 else

20. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:47 am

    I think its insane to question Cole Hamels as an ACE.. you honestly can’t ask anything more from him. He should be able to give up 3, 4, 5 runs and still get Wins with what this offense is supposed to do.

    They lost 5 of the last 10 games he started.. in those loses he gave up 2, 2, 3, 2, and 7 ER… so that should be 4 wins.. or 9 wins out of the last 10 games he started.

    Anyone watch SPORTS-FINAL last night? Jayson Stark was on and said that the Phillies inquired about Holliday-Fuentes, but that there was no match and it wasn’t going to happen.

    Phil, I think we need to have Blanton pitch a few times before we say we shouldn’t have traded for him… they needed a guy that can go 7 innings on a regular basis in their starting rotation.. he does that, and makes the team better.. He’s not CC Sabathia, but it was definitely a good move to get him!

21. MIKE FLO Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:47 am

    your pitching isnt losing you games this week…. but i bet you it will lose you a few this week. And then everyone here will be saying how bad the pitching is again.

22. Tom Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:47 am

    victorino is annoying to watch he pops up 60 70 percent of the time

23. Gavin Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:49 am

    I think those are all fair considerations. To ask for every good prospect we have and our starting CF and leadoff guy is unacceptable.

    At least they’re talking. There is a chance.

    I still think we could use Randy Winn as much if not more than Holliday. For a much lower price. Holliday doesnt situational hit. He mashes just like Utley, Burrell, and RH. His average is a product of playing in a huge park.

24. Gavin Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:50 am

    I meany #2 hitter (Victorino) not leadoff.

25. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Marson is probably going to be the opening day starting catcher next year. Depending on what they do with Burrelll, they may or may not need Golson in the organization.

    They DO NOT want to trade Carrasco, since they project him as a middle-of-the-rotation pitcher, with a chance to be a #2 at some point in his career.

    Harman isn’t doing much.. Happ is probably available for trade, but If they are thinking of trading Myers in the offseason.. you need to keep Happ.

    Giving you a rotation next year of Hamels, Blanton, Moyer, Kendrick, Happ… or If Carrasco is ready to come up, he gets plugged in and I would imagine Happ is the odd man out..

26. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am

    TJ yes sir you are correct, but not a dickheaded one

27. Gavin Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Carrasco wont debut until 2010 according to Gillick and Amaro. He has a Gavin Floyd brain and arm, they are afraid to rush him.

28. dan Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Rivlez- if you’re a Mets fan, don’t refer to the Phillies and yourself together as “we”. Call them the Phillies, because you’re a Mets fan and we (myself, other Phillies fans, and the Phillies themselves) don’t want you or any other Mets fans associating yourself with the Phillies in that manner. Especially on this site.

29. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Mike Flo, you don’t watch the Phillies, you don’t know what we see. Our problems were Eaton and Myers. We lost games cause of them. Let’s see if Myers can come back and pitch well, let’s see how Blanton does. Kendrick usually gives us 5 strong outings in a row and then implodes in the 6th, rinse repeat. I’m okay with that. Moyer has been ridiculous this year. Hamels is Hamels. The rotation is not our problem, it’s the ability to situationally hit. I’m calling for Winn, Holliday, Nady, or Giles right now. Like they better be starting for us this week against the Mets.

30. TJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Phil, we have the same stand, although I believe If we lose 2/3 to the mets then I see the Phils going after a bat, if we win the series, I think we stay put and try to contend with the current team.

31. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Yeah, well they shouldn’t take the risk to lose the series because then we’re not in 1st place. This line up is pathetic right now.

32. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:11 am

    dan - i didn’t know you owned the team. go screw yourself. I didn’t say anything bad. I don’t hate the Phillies. I really don’t hate any team because I just really love baseball. It’s like I’ve said all along the Phillies are a few players away from easily being the best team in NL East. Nady is not really proven. I wouldn’t take him even though he’s doing really good this year. Holliday is the ultimate choice. Going to be an interesting series this week.

33. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:11 am

    The Rockies only have a 4 man rotation right now. They’re in a lot of trouble, they might pull a trigger wanting Happ or Myers so they have another starter right now.

34. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Rivlez we’re a few moves away from being the best team in the NL.

35. bubba Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    There’s no way in hell the Phillies can get Holliday, let alone Holliday and Fuentes without giving up EVERYONE and the Phillies won’t do that.

36. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Anyway what ever happened with Liriano?

37. bubba Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Phil, why would the last place Rockies trade for Happ and/or take on Myers’ contract?

38. Geoff Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Yeah that offense is so fraudulent. I dont need to see moyer next season tohugh, if we can get through this season without him collapsing then ill be happy and wont need to see him anymore as a pitcher.

    i think they really do need a bat like holliday now. because they dont have another dominant pitcher. they just have innings eating guys, which is ok for slots 3-5 in the rotation but not in slot 2. maybe blanton will dominate the weak nl, who knows.

    where are you going to get guys that hit safely now? all these guys are laying eggs out there at the plate. its time for a big lineup shakeup. i dont need to see shane victorino out there anymore for our team. thats a start. im done talking about carlos ruiz and their need for an everyday catcher. that spot has given them no production offensively for like 6 weeks. terrible. both of them.

    they better have done something by the time i get back to philly to conclude my vacation this afternoon.

39. dan Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am

    All I’m saying is I’m a Phillies fan and I don’t go on Mets sites and pretend like I like the Mets and talk like I’m part of the team or something. If you like the Mets, don’t pretend that you don’t. Just cause someone called you on it doesn’t mean you have to pull some bullshit insults out of your ass like “go screw yourself.”

    The Holliday trade would be so clutch if we could pull it off. We have to go al out for it. Tim, think you could scratch up a few article quotes and make it a post for us?

40. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Holliday would be huge! Otherwise Nady wouldn’t be bad either hitting in CBBP. I’m not quite sure how they would pull off a Holliday trade but Nady is definitely a possibly.

41. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:23 am

    And Dan I don’t pretend I like the Phillies. I never said I hated them. Like I said i’m a huge baseball fan and have interest in nearly all teams (except Braves). Can I please be a Phillies fan?

42. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am

    You can be a Phillies fan if the Mets give us David Wright. You are 1 of 2 Mets fans I like on this site.

43. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Haha Phil. I would do that only if we can get Howard, Utley and Hamels. Deal? That would fill our needs. I don’t go bashing the Phillies just because they are the Phillies and it’s supposedly in my blood. Last year the Mets did terrible at the end of the year and Phillies took advantage of it and put them out of their misery. Let me ask you this, I don’t mind the Yankees, why would I hate the Phillies?

44. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:38 am

    hahaha true. You can’t have Howard, Utley, and Hamels for Wright. You can have Feliz for Wright though. I’ll openly admit it, and I know I’m opening myself up to a bashing from the rest of the site, but David Wright is one of my favorite players in the game, as long as he isn’t opening his mouth. He sounds like such a dirty Brooklyn hipster when he talks.

45. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I really like Wright a lot but I like Reyes more. Wright sometimes is just not clutch sometimes and does things that drive me crazy like wiffing with the bases loaded. Then he does this thing at 3rd where he like pumps the balls before he throws and I’ve seen him make an error like 4-5 times when doing this. Other than that he is great. Since you admitted that, I’ll easily admit that Utley is one of my favorite players and IMO the best 2nd basemen in baseball.

46. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:54 am

    MATT HOLLIDAY will not be a member of the Philadelphia Phillies…

    I heard the Pirates were asking for a ton for Nady too

    He’s a career .280 hitter with not a lot of power, and a shitty OBP% at .335%…. how does he help this team at all??

47. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Utley is the best 2nd baseman in baseball. That’s a no brainer. Wright isn’t the best 3B, but that’s only because of A-Rod.

48. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Nady is having a career year, let him come have his career year in Philadelphia. We don’t need a power bat per say. We need a guy that get on base and hit in the clutch. We need an actual 3 hole hitter, Utley is a 2 hole hitter this year. He isn’t clutch enough this year to be a 3 hole hitter.

49. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 11:58 am

    I like David Wright and I HATE Jose Reyes…… Reyes is easily one of the most overrated players in all of baseball.

    Wright is a complete player, maybe not the greatest 3rd basemen ever, but his fielding percentage was pretty good last year.. Not good enough to earn the Gold Glove he won last year (over our own Pedro Feliz, Chipper Jones, and Aramis Ramirez) … but Wright is solid and doesn’t talk too much smack.

50. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Reyes is overrated? Do you know he is the first player IN HISTORY to have 20 doubles, 10 triples, 10 homers, and 30 SB by the allstar break? All this while hitting .300 and being on pace for 200+ hits and 140+ runs scored. Get a clue you Phillie reject.

51. Bruce Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    I’m comimg around to Phil and his thoughts on the team’s offense so far this season. He says they are “overrated” while being upset with latest loss. I prefer “underachieving” for the team in general and more specifically with the bottom order of the lineup. It’s that part of the lineup that differs from last year in execution with RISP. The missing link is Aaron Rowand and in his place are Jenkins/Werth(werthless against righties) followed by non-situational hitters, Feliz and Ruiz/Coste.

    Tim, in his recent blog expressed disappointment with Rollin’s performance so far this season and cited statistics for comparison with last year’s MVP season. The Phillies with all their injuries and pitching problems (used 28 different pitchers last season) were able to have a whirlwind ride on Rollin’s coattails that carried them to the division crown by the narrowest of margin (1 game) and also benefitted from Mets’ historic collapse.

    This season the Phillies are not getting that same kind of offensive (MVP) spark from Rollins and must rely on others to take up the slack. Therein lies the problem. Situational hitting has never been their forte for this year’s lineup.

    Sadly, it’s start with Jimmy Rollins. He is one of the poorest leadoff men in the league this year. His impatience (often first pitch hitting) resulted in so many wasted outs. Only Willy Tavaras and Rickie Weeks have lower batting averages and on base percentages. And in the column that really matters most, Rollins has scored 41 runs this year, only 1 better than Tavaras’s leadoff low run scored total.

    Victorino can’t duplicate last year’s version of Rollins and doesn’t show the discipline at the plate but nevertheless a necessary 2-hole in the lineup for speed and aggression plus his stellar fielding and strong arm.

    We know we can rely on Utley, Howard and Burrell to be the run producers. However, as mentioned, the problem that is putting the team at a disadvantage and a coma-like stagnation with their offense is situational hitting. While they are still ranked 2nd in NL with 492 runs, the Phillies have averaged only 3.97 runs per game. They have been held to four or fewer runs 20 times in the last 30 games !! The root of the team problem… situational hitting… is responsible for batting just .212 (52-for-245) with RISP for those last 30 games.

    We can only hope the offense can turn it around… beginning with Rollins.

52. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Rollins and Utley are the bulk of this teams problems right now. I don’t want to hear that shit about Victorino because he does his job for the most part. I don’t want to hear that shit about Jenkins/Werth, Feliz, and Ruiz because if Utley and Rollins were doing their jobs we wouldn’t even be talking about our problems right now. Rollins needs to get on base more and Utley needs to hit with RISP. That’s the bottom line. Feliz is fine as a 7 hole hitter, Jenkins blows, but Werth is good. We need a bat in the 3 hole that can drive in runs, and that’s not Utley. He should be in our 2 hole. If the rest of the line up was doing their job we wouldn’t even be discussing Ruiz at all right now.

53. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Reyes is the first player in NL history to chew 12 pieces of gum in 1 game, break 4 bats in a double-header, tie his cleats in double-knots, eat 3 hot dogs after a game, and sit in 2 different seats on a west-coast bound flight, all BEFORE the All-Star break !!!

    Dork..

    Last year people were naming Reyes as the player they would most likely start a franchise with.. Think a lot of people still want to? I’d choose David Wright and Carlos Beltran over Reyes.. I didn’t say he sucked, he’s just one of the most overrated players in baseball.

54. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Yeah, Wright is easily the best position player on the Mets, and probably one of the top 5 best in the NL.

55. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Those kinds of stats are ridiculous.. you could make any player the first to do anything at any point in the season.. Like the 20 Triple mark that Rollins got to last year, was that much great than 19 triples..

    They are just numbers, if they don’t help your team win, then its not that big a deal.

    Runs win ballgames.. so OBP, RBI, Runs, Avg …. those things are way more important than specific milestones. If a guy gets basehits, but never walks… his OBP won’t be that good… If Rollins hits a lot of Triples but doesn’t score that many runs… it doesn’t mean a thing.

56. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Don, many blamed the Mets’ 2nd half collapse last year on Reyes 2nd half slump. Ask any Met fan and they’ll tell you, “The Mets go as Reyes goes.” He is the most important player in our lineup. A player simply cannot be overrated if he is the key ingredient to a team’s offense, and is setting records along the way. I’m afraid you’re letting you bias get in the way of your better judgment. Hell, don’t believe me. Ask your phellow Phillie phans what they think - I bet they side with me.

57. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Reyes is a great player. He is to the Mets as Rollins is to us.

58. Mike T. Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Who cares about the Mets and their dirty fans? I sure don’t.

    Someone get some febreze in here, this place is rancid.

59. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    I understand that… but in the same way I think Rollins is overrated.. and would have had no problems with Matt Holliday winning MVP last year.. I think if Reyes played on a team other than a NY squad, people wouldn’t be so quick to call him one of the best players in baseball….

    He’s not even the best SS in his own division, and he might not be the 2nd best SS in the division either..

60. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    NL East SS overall, not this season
    Hanley
    Rollins
    Reyes
    Guzman
    Escobar(too new to judge)

    Rollins wasn’t overated last year at all. he carried this team. We need the old Rollins and Utley back if we are to win this thing.

61. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    That still doesn’t make him overrated, Don. Chipper Jones is the 2nd best 3B in the NL East, is he overrated? I’m not going to convince you one way or another, but understand that, as a Met fan, there’s no way I would describe Reyes as overrated. He is ultra important to the Mets’ success and when he slumps, so does the team. His stats do nothing but back up his value. I really don’t know how else to get this across to you.

62. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    A lot of people think Reyes is overrated. I think they confuse cry baby and overrated.

63. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    And I think you are confusing cry baby with passionate. Find me a quote in which Reyes sounds like a cry baby. Is this website just one big smear campaign against the Mets?

64. Mike T. Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    metsR#1: you are a complete idiot. First of all, unless you’re under the age of 13, use your actual name. Second, Jose Reyes is absolutely overrated. Look who’s behind him. Your money-hungry franchise has spent millions of dollars surrounding Reyes with RBI machines. Look at his statistics for a second - you’ll see. 335 Career OBP? Pat Burrell, the 5th spot, almost has as many runs scored as Reyes. Get out of here with that crap - Reyes is no better than any of the other NL East shortstops. I’ll take Guzman over Reyes any day. Go back to metsblog, you idiot.

65. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Remember when 5 minutes ago I said I understood what you were saying.. but my arguement was that I called Reyes overrated.. and you started pulling these random, pointless stats out of your ass…

    Chipper Jones isn’t on SportsCenter every 2 minutes, eventhough he deserves more face time than every player on NY and Philly this season..

    I understand that you guys need to have him produce the same way that we do… my point is that he’s not as good as people think he is. When Baseball Tonight and everything on ESPN called him the greatest all-around player in baseball over the past 2 years.. they didn’t help him to relax and just play the game..

    WTF are Mets fans doing on here anyway and trying to come up with reason why Reyes is or isn’t overrated… shouldn’t you be discussing why Billy Wagner isn’t a sure-thing as a closer anymore, on some Mets blog?

66. Mike T. Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Yeah I know - I’m going to go over to metsblog and talk about Jenkins’ shoulder injury or something.

67. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Ok, I tried contributing some worthwhile conversation, but all you angry Phillie fans want to do is fight and call names. And I’m the immature one? Whatever. Realize you sound like complete hypocrites when you call Mets fans arrogant and fight-pickers. Enjoy your 2nd half demise. At least we all agree that the Phillies suck.

68. Mike T. Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Ok good, now leave.

69. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    I’ll leave when the Phillies stop playing like a bunch of pussies. Guess you better get used to me.

70. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    What is your purpose of being here metsr#1? Do you really have that much time to kill that you’re going to troll on a Phillies blog?

71. NJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Hang on here maybe you are getting a bit of anger being a Mets an but its entirely possible for the ‘key ingredient’ to be over-rated, The reason Jose Reyes is overrated is because he could be one of the best players in the game but isn’t he coasts on talent as and when he chooses. Successful baseball players are those that play the game the right way and he doesn’t respect the game like David Wright does.

    When your looking or a guage of a greate player hold the guy up to Pujols, if he isn’t playing the game that way chances are he is overrated.

72. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    What a fag…

    How sad is your life when you go on the opposing teams blog… start crying when someone calls Reyes overrated.. try to pretend like fans of the Mets AND the Phillies aren’t BOTH arrogant.. and then you call the Phillies “a bunch of pussies”

    seriously.. you’re a dork.. at least TRY to be funny if you are going to come on here and talk smack.. when its funny, its fun… when you try to be tough over the internet.. it makes me 100% sure that you suck at life

73. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Exactly NJ. Utley is a prime example. Utley doesn’t have the talent Reyes has but he has the work ethic. If Reyes played with Utley’s work ethic he’d be one of the best players in the game. I’m not saying Utley doesn’t have talent, he is one of the best hittersi n the game and has one of the best swings in the game, but his defense used to be atrocious. Now he is one of the best defensive 2B along with best hitters.

74. metsR#1 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    It’s all good. I can understand why a bunch of retards would rather talk smack to a Met fan and call Reyes overrated when the alternative is analyzing why the Phils just lost 2 of 3 to the Marlins. You keep the insults coming, and the Phils will keep chalking up those losses.

75. Don M Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    The Mets blow.. and only in the past 2 weeks have any Muts fans been on here.. because you are all front-running dorks.. your team sucks.. and with the payroll you guys have you should win the NL East EVERY YEAR… but you don’t…

76. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Reyes is great but it’s terrible when he does bad so do the Mets. They rely on him way too much. I just watched a Met game like last week and they had a stat that when reyes scores in the first inning in the last 2 years the Mets are 76-25 but when he doesn’t they are only a little better than .500. That’s an opening stat in my opinion. That clearly shows how terrible they would be without him. Oh yea and Phil, I’ll trade you Moises Alou for Victorino. HAHA

77. NJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Ok in short we lost because this team is playing clearly with a lack of prepartion, passion and situationally thats killing us because we cannot convert run score opportunities in anything other than inconsistent dribbles…

    Doesn’t change the fact that Reyes is overrated, if you want to get angry at us for calling David Wright overrated then you might have a pretty valid point but Reyes IS overrated, his stats show it and his attitude oozes it.

78. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Don M you are absolutely correct. What we have with the Mets and Phillies is 2 seriously under achieving teams. Minaya is a moron and signs losers like Castillo and Alou. Thank god Alou and Delgado should be gone after this year. That’s why the payroll is high.

79. NJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Put simply if the Mets have a front office overhaul and install some kind of cohesive system and the Phils start playing baseball not spaceball then we have the two best teams in the NL.

    Fortunately for us the Mets are in more of a mess than we are otherwise we would be in big trouble.

80. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I can agree that Reyes is a little overrated and that he is one of the MAIN reasons that the Mets collapsed last year. I’ll say it again, I call it how I see it because i’m a huge baseball fan, not only a Mets fan.

81. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Yep, and this year the reason the Phillies are losing so much is because of the lack of Rollins presence. Is it me or did we win more when Rollins was on the DL?

82. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    The Mets have quite a few questions after this season (MUCH more than the Phillies do) with LF and 1B. Delgado has been a Ryan Howard Jr. with a shitty batting average and not nearly as good power and RBI #’s. I think the Mets can turn it around but hey this is why we play all 162 games. We’ll all find out in 2 1/2 months who is going to outlast. I’ll tell you one thing, I’d be pretty upset and disappointed in both the Mets and Phillies if the Marlins somehow win this division. We would deserve to go play AA ball.

83. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Rollins is huge BUT I dont’ think as huge as Reyes is to the Mets. I wish the Mets weren’t as dependent on him as they are now. Phil they do have a better record this year without Rollins in the lineup. But he nearly carried them on his shoulders last year like the beast that he was.

84. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    I don’t think we have a better record, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we had a better winning percentage. The season starts tomorrow, and luckily for the Phils and Mets the Marlins are playing a 4 game series against the Cubs at Wrigley. They will be lucky to not get swept. The division race starts tomorrow night between the Mets and Phils. The Phillies need to go to Shea fired up or this season is over for them.

85. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    I wouldn’t say that. C’mon Phil even if the Mets sweep who cares it’s still only July. May I remind you of last year.

86. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    No, trust me…the way this team has played the last 6 weeks is despicable. If they lose this series it really is going to be over for them. They will not be able to recover.

87. NJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    The thing that worries me is you look at a team like the Red Sox or the Angels and their built to win, even the Cubs are taking on that persona. The Phils (and Mets)… Were built to loose, wallow in the drama and find every excuse possible to justify why the team is not performing consistently over the course.

    Even our favourite Nancy Drew is putting together a good year being one of those guys stepping up to fill a hole in the Sox Line-up.

88. TJ Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    How about this… Fuck the Mets. Every thread we get a bitch ass Mets fan that talks bullshit. Go to your own blog dude, if your here, your talking Phils, not debating, not arguing about the mets, not this or that, Phillies. Philadelphia Phillies baseball. If your not talking Phillies baseball then you dont belong here.

89. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20080720_If_the_Phillies_come_up_a_game_or_two_short_in_the_pennant_NO_HEAD_SPECIFIED.html

90. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Who is talking bullshit? Calm down. What are you getting worked up for? Wow Phil, I didn’t know they were that close to getting Holliday. That would be one of the best lineups in baseball. I wonder if this is still going to get done.

91. Phil Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I’m 100% all for it as long as it doesn’t involve Marson.

92. Rivlez Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    HAHAHA I would hope you would 100% for it

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