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20 Responses to “Phillies: Carrasco And Marson Are Untouchable”

1. Jason Says:
   July 10th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

   If the solution that the brass is looking at is either Byrd or Arroyo, they better just pass. At that point it might be better to take a look at some of our own prospects at the major league level. Not to mention the fans will not respond favorably to either of those pitchers. If the Phils brass can’t land a decent pitcher maybe we should start looking at maybe an offensive upgrade like Xavier Nady or Randy Winn. That would at least give us some good added depth in the outfield and the bench.
   I just got this hunch that the Phils are not gonna make any kind of big moves.

2. Geoff Says:
   July 10th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

   good point. id rather have JA happ a permanent fixture up here rather than get paul byrd or randy wolf or bronson arroyo who will give up more HRs in CBP than myers.

   ill be pissed if they get paul byrd. hes a piece of garbage. burnett hasnt done well this year so it wouldnt be a good move.

   i still maintain that moyer will retire and carrasco will replace him.

   itll look something like this next year

   hamels
   myers or free agent/traded for number two
   kendrick
   carrasco
   Happ

   eaton will be gone
   moyer will be hried as a coach

   ill bet myers is either their setup man next year or hes traded away this month. i still think that erik bedard will be a phillie this year. theyll wait until he makes a start off the dl and then pull the trigger. however, can they get him without carrasco or marson in the deal?

   i dunno..

3. Geoff Says:
   July 10th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

   theyll get a pitcher and a bat like charlie said. but they might not both be top tier guys.

   i concur

4. Greg V. Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 12:00 am

   Everyone dig your Wolf masks out of the closet. Something tells me you are going to need them.

5. Geoff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 12:01 am

   I still have the Randy Wolf Wolfman Bobblehead doll.

6. PhillyFriar Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 12:55 am

   Maybe I’m a bit too optimistic, but I think Gillick knows what this team needs. To use a tired cliche, he has pitching quantity (with Moyer, Kendrick, Eaton, and Happ all capable of being back-end starters), but he needs quality if this team’s going to get anywhere.

   I like Stark and think he does a good job, but he’s wrong if he thinks the Phils can’t get A.J. Burnett for Greg Golson, Jason Donald, and a lesser prospect (if they wanted to do so). Whatever the case, I agree with Jason above: either get a top tier pitcher, or don’t worry about it. We just don’t want to see Paul Byrd or Randy Wolf make their way to Philly.

7. Phil Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 1:17 am

   I have a feeling we’re going to get someone totally unexpected. I think Gillick is waiting it out to see who will be sellers at the trade deadline.

8. Tim Malcolm Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 1:17 am

   I’ll talk about this more soon, but I really think the Phils will need more bullpen help and offensive reinforcements, not starting pitching, to be big down the stretch.

9. jeff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 1:47 am

   Did anyone see today the M’s released Richie Sexson? Any reason Gillick shouldn’t be doing the same to Adam Eaton and keeping Happ up in his spot? I still think they go get Bedard though. Gillick has a relationship with the front office in Seattle, and that team is in a complete tailspin. Plus, based on what Stark says and other rumblings, the Phils are the only real bidder left, since the Yankees aren’t interested. So the question becomes, what happens with Myers? I have no doubt he’s gone after the season (to somewhere he can close), but what about the rest of this year? I would give him a shot in the setup role, if only to showcase his chops pitching out of the bullpen.

10. harry Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    wolf is not coming back to philly, he is from so cal and has said he would like to stay there. plus he has a 16 team no-trade clause and i have to say were probably on that list. myers’ attitude wouldn’t let him set-up, so i think he is a starter or bust. i would say trade him to detroit, because of there bullpen woes, but we would get nothing for him. eaton won’t be released until we have another pitcher or next year.

11. Don M Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Geoff, why do you keep insisting that Moyer is going to retire and be hired as a pitching coach next year?? Where is that coming from?

    I heard that all of wolf’s no-trade teams were midWest teams, and since he’s ben linked to the Phillies numerous times, I can’t imagine that we are one of the teams he would reject.. unless he doesn’t want to pitch in the post-season

12. Don M Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 8:49 am

    That link from Jayson Stark is great..

    -Lidge doesn’t care what contract F-rod gets because he was more concerned with the right deal, not just getting the most $$ and years.

    -Burrell and his agent are thought to have passed on a 2 year, $20M deal…”not even close to what Burrell and Genske have in mind”

    -Phillies might look to trade Myers, but it won’t be in mid-season.. and according to a “close friend” of Myers, “getting traded is one of his biggest fears. To be honest, I still don’t think he ever wants to leave the Phillies.”

    Thanks for that link Tim.. good info in there

13. harry Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    wolf doesn’t want to pitch in this park, he wants his value as high as possible at the end of the year. for a good deal.

14. Josh Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    I think Geoff is right about Moyer retiring and becoming a pitching coach in the next year or two, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up doing so for Seattle. He may be originally from this area, but I believe his family is still out there.

15. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    That comes from logic and gut feeling. Hes old, hes not juicing and hes not nolan ryan. Its going to be very hard for him to perform as well next year as he is this year. hes 46 by the end of this year and hell be 47 by the end of next year. thats OLD. i just think hell retire.

    hes too much of a class guy to let out of your organization though and he knows pitching better than most people. so it wouldnt be bad to keep him around the clubhouse as some kind of coach with the eye of grooming him to be a major league pitching coach in a few years. perfect fit for that.

16. Phil Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    He won’t go back to Seattle. He wanted to be traded to the Phillies. He wanted to come back home.

17. Bruce Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Outside of Hamels, Moyer has been the most consistent pitcher for quality starts in rotation. Even his ERA is now below 4.00 (3.95). No… Geoff, he’s not ready for retirement anytime soon. His mechanics, finesse and guile allows him to compete indefinitely with age only a number.

18. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Whatever man. When pitchers go, they go FAST.

19. Don M Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    CHRISM,

    I figured i’d post it on this “post” cause it relates.. but for all those times that we agree or disagree… you got to admit that I said pretty much ALL of this in the past week, not bad for a guy who “doesn’t know anything”: (from Today’s Inquirer)

    By Todd Zolecki

    Inquirer Staff Writer

    Charlie Manuel is aware that Carlos Ruiz has been in a terrible slump for almost two months.
    But the Phillies’ manager also knows he likes Ruiz’s defense and his ability to handle the pitching staff. He also knows that if people are screaming about the impact the No. 8 hitter is having on the Phils’ offense, it probably means the first seven guys in the lineup aren’t doing as much as they should.

    But how many more outs in clutch situations can the Phillies take?

    Ruiz is hitting just .206 with two home runs and 20 RBIs in 189 at-bats. He has grounded into 11 double plays, second on the team to Pedro Feliz, who has 12 – although Feliz has 119 more at-bats. He has hit just .071 (2 for 28) in his last 10 games, and just .141 (10 for 71) with one homer and five RBIs since May 25.

    “It’s awfully hard to switch out a catcher midyear,” assistant general manager Mike Arbuckle said yesterday before the Phillies’ 4-1 win over St. Louis at Citizens Bank Park. “He’s a catcher who knows our staff. They like him. They’re comfortable. He’s catching and throwing well.”

    In fact, Ruiz has a 3.56 catcher’s ERA – the best catcher’s ERA in the National League.

    But double-A Reading catcher Lou Marson entered yesterday hitting .323 with four homers and 44 RBIs in 269 at-bats. He has emerged as one of the organization’s premier prospects.

    Arbuckle said Marson could make an appearance with the team as a September call-up.

    “Marson is getting close,” Arbuckle said. “We’d like for him from a development standpoint to just continue what he’s been doing at the plate. If you look at the average, you’ll say, ‘What are you talking about?’ But I think from a development standpoint, if we brought him here right now, I’m not sure he would hit that much more than Ruiz is hitting. I’m not sure it’s that big an upgrade.”

20. Don M Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080711_Phillies_Notes__Ruiz_s_catching_job_safe_despite_struggles_at_plate.html

    thats the real link… we’ve been on the same page.. actually, me, you, Phil, and Geoff have all been on the same page this week!! And Mike T wasn’t bashing them that bad this week… See what two wins in a row can do!!

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