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139 Responses to “Report: Phils Have Asked About Ramirez”

1. Geoff Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:00 am

   PIPEDREAM

2. Phil Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:01 am

   Why would they want Victorino? They have a much better center fielder.

3. Geoff Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:02 am

   Changes of this happening: 0

4. Geoff Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am

   I dont even want this guy, hes not hitting and hes an asshole. And he has bad knees. IF you get him, and have burrell on the other side, you NEED victorinos speed.

5. Geoff Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:06 am

   Anyone know what Ibanez has been doing lately? Im multitasking and cant really get away with looking up his stats at the moment.

   hed straighten out this locker room in a week. probably wouldnt cost to much either.

6. PSU Fan Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am

   If they could do the trade by including Brett Myers and Adam Eaton, I’d say go for it.

7. Phil Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am

   haha yeah you do Geoff. We’d have the fattest old guy slow guy corner outfielders in baseball. Burrell has been pretty spectacular this year(for his standards) in the field, but still. You need Victorino to cover the ground in between those 2 guys.

8. Geoff Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am

   victorinos fast, but i dont know if even he is that fast. willy taveras IS that fast though. but tahts how fast youd have to be because those two (burrell/manny) are like statues out there. burrell does catch everything he can get too though. manny doesnt even try to do that.

9. Don M Says:
   July 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am

   I’ll go on record now as saying BRING RAMIREZ HERE… you’re going to lose Burrell most likely in the offseason. I doubt that the Sox want Victorino because they have Drew, Crisp, Ellsbury, and I think MOSS? something like that…. he is one of the best hitters in baseball … and would do some serious damage as our #3 hitter

10. Bill Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    The Phillies need to resign Pat Burrell and be done with all of this. If they could get Matt Holliday that would be one thing, but Manny Ramirez and his baggage? Sure he would be a perfect fit in our lineup, but he is another fielding liability in left field and could be a clubhouse cancer here no matter how well he and Charlie got along in Cleveland.

    I of course am more concerned about him going to the Mets but do they have the bargaining chips to get him?

    http://myteamrivals.typepad.com/phightin_phils_phorum/

11. Tyler Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Manny isn’t going to get traded, this happens every single off season with him. No team would seriously want to bring him in because of the antics he has put his manager and team through. It would be a great addition if we went to either the Mets or the Phillies. But it just isn’t gonna happen.

12. Charlie Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    No thank you. His on the field production does not out weigh the BS he produces off the field.

13. NJ Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Vic wouldn’t be part of the deal. I’ve come around to the idea that Manny might be traded which I didn’t think would happen but the Sox want prospects and will address replacing Manny in the off-seson. The Phils have made inquiries and the Sox are asking for a deal beginning with Marson.

    Now to all the bring Manny here’ers unless your planning on trading Burrell it’s a crazy idea. An outfield of Manny in left and Burrell in right is crazy in a park where a lot of balls are hit into the outfield. You can’t move Burrell to 1st with Ryan there and your not moving him back to third so this deal adds one bat (yes one of the best in the league) but takes away another Bat as you can’t fir Burrell and Manny in the same line-up.

14. Gavin Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Why does Victorino have to go? The Red Sox need a new SS soon. I figure they’d want one of our MI propsects before Victorino. Has anyone said that Victorino would have to be in the deal? If so thats an easy deal breaker.

    On the record. I dont want Manny. He’s not a Philly guy.

15. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Hello people!

    First of all, this is Philadelphia. Ramirez is not coming here. However…

    Our team sucks… we get our nuts handed to us by every good team we’ve played. Would you really care that much about our outfield liabilities with Ramirez hitting between Utley and Howard? Are you serious? Seriously? The guys who have coached baseball professionally for 30 years can worry about defense. I’m a fan.

    Do you guys always have to be wet blankets?

    If he came here, and we some how made the playoffs… Have you seen what Ramirez does in October? He’s out of his mind.

    This Phillies ship is sinking and we all know it. Why not have some fun with Ramirez on the way down?

16. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    If Ramirez is hitting on our team against the Rockies last playoffs, maybe we still lose the series, but we don’t get swept.

17. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    dude, we need an elite hitter too, but ramirez is declining this season AND he ASSAULTED A TEAM EMPLOYEE. he should be in jail.

18. Greg V. Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Why is God’s name would anyone want Manny on this team? I was shocked at all the morons calling into WIP this morning and last night saying what a great improvement he would be on Burrell (who is having the best year of his career). Now I know expecting any kind of intelligence from the average dope that calls into WIP in dumb in the first place, but are they seriously watching the Phillies? Burrell is one of the few that has had any sort of consistancy on this team and you want to get rid of him and replace him with a guy with a known bad attitude who has been dogging more plays that Rollins? WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!

    I don’t want Manny anywhere near the Bank!

19. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    WIP is ok on the weekend. But its horrible during the week. Angelo Cataldis show is meant for retards. Obviously, so is Eskins. Its all about Mike Missanelli on ESPN Radio as well as the Locker Room and Jody Mac. Theyre much less idiotic than the WIP people. The WIP people, during the week, many of them have become institutionalized and are allowed to just go out there and say compeltely ridiculous things. cataldis show barely has anything to do with sport(S), its all about the eagles and plugging strip clubs and bars.

20. Chris L Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    I agree that there’s no way the team trades for him – the baggage and price tag are just too much. Plus they shouldn’t really give up what the Sox would be looking for (young pitchers and perhaps Donald).

    However, if the Red Sox don’t pick up his option – which there is some but not a great chance of happening – I think there’s a big chance that they go for him in FA and let Burrell, Gordon and perhaps Moyer go and trade away some pitcher salary (Myers and Eaton). I can see them paying Manny about 15-18 mill for 2 or 3 years with the money they save by bringing up young guys.

    He and Pat cannot be on the same team together – they are too similar. Manny’s more consistent at the plate and Pat’s more consistent in the field and lockerroom. For this year’s team, Pat’s one of the guys that keep people together and losing him in the middle of the season would be too much upheaval. Over the offseason, when they determine a new personality it something that could work for all involved.

21. jay Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    I agree that you can’t get rid of Burrell. Now he is not going to get a ton of money in the off-season, but i would resign him to about 10 MM. Trade Howard and put burrel at first. Thats my story and I’m ticking to it.

22. NJ Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Can anyone actually work out how we get Manny and Burrell on the field at the same time?

23. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    There are other hitters out there who are much better in the field who id rather get, though they might be expensive.

    what about jason bay? whats wrong with him? you know hed love to com ehere.

24. NJ Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Just to clarify a couple of the points above, Manny’s not signing anywhere for 15-18 considering the team options in his contract at 20 are considered to be under market value for him, Burrell’s not signing for 10 for that same reason.

25. that guy Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    I would only do this trade to block the Muts from getting him. If the Muts get him then we HAVE to get Holliday or we might as well put our gillick hawaiian shirts on and hang up the “gon fishin” sign.

26. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Id give burrell 16mm per year. im so sick of people worrying about the ownerships money and budget. why do you care about their budget? its THIER money, which is actually OUR money. so we can go ahead and say: NO, you WILL resign burrel AND go spend 10-18mm on a top starter (ben sheets) and if you fail to do that then they face the wrath.

27. Rick Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    As most suspected, Eaton is going to the minors. Just heard it on WIP.

28. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Ramirez would play RF…

    This whole thing started in the NY POST.. I think its their way of putting pressure on the Mets to go out and get him so the Phillies don’t …

29. Phil Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Ramirez doesn’t have the arm to play RF. Burrell would move to RF.

30. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    I think you need a raul ibanez/aaron rowand type of persionality who can hit consistently. this locker room needs to be straightened out and be told to grow up. with ramirez it would degenerate rapidly. you think jimmy rollins is going to get along with him? rollins already wont talk to his teammates or the media because hes an asshole now. do you really want the single biggest asshole in all of professional sports on your team?

31. NJ Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Eaton to the minors, good move. Happ up as the LOOGY… Not thrilled about that one have to say since he’s not prepared for it.

32. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Just a thought..

    That whole T.O. mess ….and all contract negotiations… how and why do we care about this stuff? i HATED t.o. when all that stuff was going down, but wouldn’t you LOVE to have him on your team again?

    Ramirez is a jackoff but I would LOVE to have him hitting in the middle of our lineup. Rollins, Utley, Ramirez, Howard, Burrell, Victorino, Feliz, Ruiz, SP- Adam Eaton.

    Ramirez is widely considered one of the best hitters in baseball over the past decade+

33. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Do you think the Phillies would win more games if they had Manny Ramirez in the lineup?

    I do

34. Phil Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    ditto

35. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Who couldn’t love Burrell for having the year he’s had. But I think he walks to go to an American League team. I can’t blame the Phils for not wanting to pay him $60 mill for 4 years.

    I would rather spend that money on an ace.. which is what we’re going to do.

    As painful as this Phils team is right now, I think I’ll feel much better when spring training rolls around and Sabathia or Sheets is teamed with Hamels.

36. Rick Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    I agree Phil, Manny cannot play right field. Also, I think Pat vs. Manny in left field is a wash.

    Pat Burrell > Manny Ramirez as a team player.

    Pat really likes playing for the Phillies and doesn’t want to leave. If this deal went down, Pat would have to go. Does Manny make the Phillies a better team than Pat Burrell? I don’t think so at this point given his baggage. Even his offensive numbers are a wash compared to Pat Burrell 2008.

    Last year, I would have jumped on a deal getting Manny, but not this year.

37. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    I think if you moved Burrell to right.. he wouldn’t be as good… Ramirez is an adventure regardless of which spot he’s in.. so why screwup both corner outfield spots?

    I don’t think its happening… and I have NO idea what the Sox would ask in return.. I really don’t think they’ll dump him in-season, because they need his bat just as much as we do

38. NJ Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    With Burrell in right? Opposing hitters will just put the ball into the corner outfield spots at every opportunity.

39. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    I actually liked TO through and through. I know he is a patient hitter but he isnt the manny of a few years ago.

    my point is: theres people that are younger and more gettableout there that id much rather go after than to deal with an old man (hes 36) with bad knees who an asshole and makes too much money.

    theyre not going to just give this guy away. theyre going to want lou marson, carlos carrasco, and jason donald. if the phils dont give that up then the red sox will just ahng up the phone.

    plus, the phillies and the eagles, 9 times out of 10, will tlak about this just to get fans to keep watching and then go give up waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a worthless guy like arthur rhodes.

    they already spun us the “were going to get manny” thing two or three years ago. im not falling for it again.

40. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Honestly.. anyone that would rather have Pat Burrell over Manny Ramirez is on crack.

    I understand all the crap about the locker room… but I really don’t know why we care so much about that stuff.. I just want to see this team beat the FREAKIN NY MUTS

41. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    If you don’t want Ramirez on this team because you think he’s a bad teammate… you might be my 70 year old 6th grade math teacher.

    If he came here, his first homer off Santana would help you dry your tears Greg V.

42. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    I agree Don…….. seriously, Greg V was up all night smoking crack and listening to WIP, twitching and blinking.

43. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    go look at his numbers. is he that much better than pat burrell?

    you knwo that boston will want your whole farm and if they didnt give that up for CC Sabathia theyre not giving it up for Manny Ramirez. that would be retarded.

    id honestly rather just go after jason bay or raul ibanez and sure things up with more starting and relief pitching.

44. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    I expect my 74 year old 6th grade math teacher to hate the idea of Manny Ramirez playing on the Phillies. But obsessives like us on a message board who just want a winner? I’ll take a bad teammate with 2 rings any day.

45. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    GEOFF LOOK AT RAMIREZ’S PLAYOFF NUMBERS BRO

46. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I don’t think the Sox are going to ask for anything, because nobody is interested… they all know his contract sucks and he’s a headcase.. so nobody is going to give up TOP talent to get him.. I really think he stays put though until the offseason.. and then he goes the Yankees…cause he’s dramatic and wants to be on SportsCenter more.

    Jason Bay was on ‘roids and thats why he doesn’t hit bombs anymore.. I think they’re going to make an effort to sign Burrell, but they won’t go more than 3 years- $30 million… and some AL team will offer 4-$50M, or 5-$60M to play outfield, and then be a DH… Currently I would trade the entire roster for Ryan Braun and just let him play teams 9-on-1 … he’s going to win the MVP this year cause the BrewCrew is making the playoffs and he’s nasty

47. danny Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    MANNY IS INSANE IN THE MEMBRANE! How many times have you flipped on Fox or Espn and seen that dude crush a ball in the clutch? It’s unreal!

48. Rick Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    And Manny Ramirez with bad knees and his selfish ways is not going to help the Phillies do that anymore than Pat Burrell in 2008.

    Pat Burrell throughout his career has owned the Mets and even better, he’s owned Billy “The Rat” Wagner. I’d be hard pressed to think of any other player I’d rather have batting in the 9th inning with a 1-run deficit against “The Rat”.

49. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    ok ive had enough of this:

    Player RBI HR AVG

    M. Ramirez 65 19 .302
    R. IbaneZ 61 14 .280
    J. Bay 61 22 .284

    Pat Burrell 61 26 .277
    Ryan Howard 94 30 .237

    aside from the batting average ramirez is no better than burrell or ibanez or bay. all 3 of those guys are better fielders than him, including burrell.

    the value is not really that great compared to what youd have to give up for ramirez as opposed to jason bay or raul ibanez.

    they need another .300 hitter but guess what, YOUR boy pat gillick was caught ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AGAIN! over the weekend as the yankees got xavier nady AND damaso marte but a bunch of overrated yankee prospects, one or two of which will be serviceable major leaguers but nothing thats better than what we couldve given up. nady is hitting .328 or something like that and marte is a good setup man

50. NJ Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    The Bucs really made a bad move, they wanted two comparible 1st round prospects for Marte alone and came up massively short for both guys because they don’t want to pay Nady.

51. Tony Longmire Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    As much as i dont like Ramerez, I think this could provide a better chacne of resigning Burrell.

    Move Burrell to 1st and trade Howard for an ACE.

    Yes Ramerizez is a Jackass but he is proably the best power hitter i nthe league, and with a short left field he will hit 40+ homers

52. Rick Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Tony – Who would you try to get by dangling Ryan? I’m just curious?

53. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Nady is having a career year… he aint that good….

    They aren’t replacing PAT BURRELL WITH MANNY RAMIREZ if they trade for him… so why do keep comparing the two????

    AND has anyone heard what the Sox might ask for in return, because nobody wants him, his value won’t be that high… you would be doing the RedSox a favor by taking on his contract.. Over the 1st half we had the best bullpen in baseball…why trade top prospects for a situational bullpen guy??

54. Chase Mutley Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I would rather they resign Burrell and rather than pay Manny his stupid money, spend that on an ace in free agency. What team has an ace they would trade away but then still need a $10 million dollar bat? Any team that would need Ryan Howard would also need that ace pitcher in their rotation.

55. Gary B Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Sorry to change the subject but Eaton’s down to the minors….thank the lord.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Eaton_Optioned_to_Minors.html

56. Georgie Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I wonder if Gillick’s hands are tied by owners not wanting to spend the dough, or if he has been asleep at the wheel? I loved T.O., thought the Eagles didn’t do enough to keep him. Manny is another story-I’d hate to see Victorino OR Burrell go for him. Pat has seemed to pick up Rollins’ slack this year as far as leading the team, and I think that’s really a big deal, maybe it shouldn’t be, but apparently this team needs someone in the locker room to keep them in line.

57. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    This bullpens been sputtering because theyve been overworked. To fix that you need 1) starters who go deeper into games, and 2) another arm in there at the back end to do shutdown 8th inning work.

    im comparing him with burrell and howard to show that hes way overrated and not much better than what we have. ryan howard has been crushing rbis in and is hitting .300+ with RISP. hes the cleanup hitter, theyre not trading him.

58. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Burrell has been the most steady player on the team this season…

    But to say that he is better than Manny Ramirez.. a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer.. is crazy.

    Again, they wouldn’t be traded for one another, so im not sure where the comparisons or the need for comparisons are coming from..

    And Nady isn’t that good and Marte is good, but so is the rest of our bullpen.. How was Gillick ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL ON THIS ONE?? Or is it just that every trade in baseball that someone else makes, GILLICK WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL and the Phillies should be involved in every trade?

59. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    i think its a little bit of both georgie. he has been asleep at the wheel and theyre tying his hands. i also think he gets ambushed on some things because other teams know that we arent trading carrasco or marson or golson or donald or happ and they dont like the rest of our farm system so they dont even call pat gillick. the nady thing irritated me because theres a guy having a good year that you can get for not too much because its the pirates and they didnt get any world beaters in return anyway.

60. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    i woudl make a trade with the red sox howaever. i would trade jimmy rollins for jon lester in a heartbeat.

61. fred Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    does anyone in mlb look like they concentrate more at the plate than pat burrell?

62. Georgie Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Anyone who’s watched even a few Phillies games in the past 2 years knows they need a top-notch starting pitcher, so where is he? Blanton-I don’t think so. That’s why some of us are all over Gillick, we want a championship, and without pitching IT AIN”T GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

63. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    right on

64. Rick Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    i love it Geoff! Something else interesting to bat-around!

    Then who plays shortstop for the rest of the season? Do they bring up Jason Donald or start Bruntlett? Bruntlett did a good job filling in for him other than that one game against the Mets.

    I love J-Roll and wouldn’t be happy to see him go, but for Lester??? HHHmmmm…

    Don M. – You gotta compare Pat and Manny because they can’t both play in the field. Realistically, Pat in right and Manny in left or vice versa is just not going to happen.

    Would Manny be a great addition to the lineup? Obviously, yes.

65. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Again, who did you want them to give up the entire farm for, the Rental- Sabathia, or the injury-prone Harden??

    I thought you said like an hour ago you were going to wait to see what Blanton does before you decide if he was good or not

66. bbewsirhc Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    I would love to have manny on this team, but now is not the time for manny.
    hew would easily drop bombs out of the “shoe box” we call a major league park.
    if he can make it thru till the offseason…..bye bye pat da bat. your stay here is over due. and then bring in manny.

    don’t be fooled by this season pat burrell is having. regardless, he will not be offered even half as much money as he is making now. and if these fools do offer it to him (ruban amaro) then he is insane.

67. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I am. But even if blanton is good you and i both know they still need more than that.

    i would seriously, legitimately ship rollins to the red sox for leste and promote jason donald and have him split time with eric bruntlett. i wouldnt even think twice about it or bat an eye at it. boom. done. then you go pick up a good outfielder who can play right field every day. pick up someone like john grabow for cheap and boom.

    hamels
    lester
    blanton
    kendrick
    moyer/happ

68. Richie Allen Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Manny is going nowhere ,he does this every year ,has his little fit and turns down all offers because he can……I agree w georgie,Blanton doesnt seem like an answer,Did we offer Burrell 12 mil for 4 years?I do think Happ will help.

69. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    you have another rmlb-reayd shortsstop in the system ready to come right in there and contribute. hes the starting shortstop for the olympic team. that makes either him or rollins expendable, yes, expendable. rollins has more trade value obviously, so, boom. there it is. the red sox need a shortstop because theyve been trying to find a reason to DFA julio lugo all year. a slick GM would swoop in there and make lester the centerpiece and get him int eh fold here.

70. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    The RedSox would not trade Jon Lester…. he’s nasty this year!! BOOM.

    I would trade Myers and Eaton for Beckett and Lester ..

    Last report that came out was a few weeks ago… the Phillies reportedly offered Burrell 2 years, $20 Million… and it wasn’t close to what Burrell or his agent had in mind… which makes you believe he is looking at 4-5 years and somewhere around $50M.. which im pretty sure some AL team would offer him

71. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    I kind of think lester is untouchable too.

    would you trade rollins for bucholz or masterson and other mid-level prospects?

    i probably would do that.

72. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    im saying saying though, if hes not untouchable…BOOM

73. Chase Mutley Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Boom!

74. bbewsirhc Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    JAMIE MOYER IS THE PHILS BEST PITCHER THIS YEAR.

    ANY ARGUMENTS???

75. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    I really don’t think they should trade Rollins… he won the MVP last year. Donald might be a good SS in the future, but didn’t really project as an everyday MLB guy until this year..

    Trading Rollins makes your defense, and your lineup weaker.. and if all you get in return would be a #3 its not worth it..

    If Halladay was really available, and you could have made a package, you would have to do it… but Rollins for someone else’s prospects doesn’t make sense

76. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Cole Hamels pitches for the Phillies

77. Rick Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    If the Phillies did get Manny, what happens with Jenkins and Werth? Assuming they have Manny in left, Vic in center, and Burrell in right.

78. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    dude, icole hamels is their best guy and jamie moyer has ZERO value to another team. hes fine here in that role THIS season but thats it.

79. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    i dont think youll have to worry about what happens if they get manny. beacuse they have no chance of getting him or wanting to get him.

80. Tony Longmire Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Rick: I would attempt to make a play for the following pitchers in no particular order…

    Roy Halladay
    Zach Greinke
    Matt Cain (and prospects)
    Kazmir
    or the Rays younger pitchers (Price, Davies, or Hel’something{has an odd name})

    I think we can get a good deal of young pitching for Howard and I dont think we should pay him another 1 year at outrageous money

81. Dave Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    No Manny.

    Horrible attitude. Phils would end up finishing 3rd or 4th in the East if they pick him up, simply due to his destructive nature.

82. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Tony Longs

    what GOOD DEAL OF YOUNG PITCHING can we get for Ryan Howard?

83. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    they have a better chance of rollins getting traded than ryan howard. i actually kind of dont think its a good idea to trade someone who has 94 rbis and 30 hr if youre in the middle of a playoff race. taht would be, yknow, retarded. offseasons are different. but right now thats a stupid ass idea.

    i would not hesitate to get rollins out of here and i think they actually are trying to trade rollins in secret. just like thejays are trying to trade halladay in secret.

84. Richie Allen Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    I agree w geoff,Manny aint coming here so forget it

85. Matty P Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Does the midget in the clubhouse come along with Manny?

86. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Im not even going to comment on that last post you made about “secret” trades

87. Todd Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    down goes eaton… got sent down this morning, and hopefully, he will never return. I’d rather see one of you dudes eat up some innings.

88. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    secret as in they dont want it to get out in the media.

89. Matty P Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Lets have a moment of silence for Eaton.

90. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    at least 5.80 seconds…. to match his ERA

91. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    that does sound funny when you take a step abck though…secret trades

92. Richie Allen Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    The midget in the clubhouse is not for sale….he is a good luck midget

93. Buffalophilsfan Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    If the Phills are “secretly” trying to trade Rollins and the Jays are “secretly” trying to move Halladay … wouldn’t it be great to let a big secret out of the bag and trade them straight up. I would love Halladay in the Phils rotation at the top with Hamels. No more worries about matching up in the playoffs. They would be the best 1-2 in baseball (better than Sabathia and Sheets IMO).

    Gillick needs to get up off his ass and make a move. NOW!!

94. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I assume hes working on something. but i suspect he might jsut sit on his ass and not do anything at all. hes so lazy.

95. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    or the mets get a good player that hurts us for nothing and gillick gets caught blindsided by it AS USUAL. that has happened like 30 times since hes been here.

96. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I can’t believe he got Lidge.. and Dobbs… they blow, I wish we had guys like Moises Alou

97. Geoff Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    He got lidge from ed wade. that doesnt count. yes, it was a great move, but its not hard to take advantage of ed wade.

    hes made a few nice moves, which means hes better than ed wade. but hes still a mediocre GM at best when you look at his transaction record here.

98. Buffalophilsfan Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Dom M you are right, he did get Lidge and Dobbs. But he also got Eaton and Garcia at a much higher price tag that upper management will be feeling for years.

99. Don M Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    He was the GM when the team won the NL EAST last year… end of story..BOOM.

100. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

     I like that his good move doesn’t count …. bad his bad ones do. That is a fair way to judge him.

     He was the GM when we got: Werth, Dobbs, Bruntlett, Lidge, Taguchi, Iguchi, Moyer, Chad Durbin, Pedro Feliz, Jenkins… Eaton, Helms, Garcia, and a few other bad moves too…

     But the fact that he got the right pieces together to win the NL EAST last year, and you guys BASH him for it.. makes me wonder how well you understand the job of the GM… a lot of you are the same people that think Brian Cashman does a great job every year with the Yankees.

101. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

     Rowand.. and then didn’t overpay him to stay.. a couple good moves, a couple bad moves.. like EVERY other GM in baseball… he got our team better each year since he’s been here, to the playoffs last year… yet everyone BASHES him, or bashes guys that think he does a good job as the GM.

102. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

     except billy beane. who somehow manages to put a decent team on the field when his owners have NO interest in winning at all. billy beane is the greatest.

103. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

     actually don m, most of last years team was built by ed wade…

104. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

     rowand was a good move. repplacing him with geoff jenkins because theyre cheap was INEXCUSEABLE.

105. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

     brian cashman sucks. if billy beane had that much money to spend the athletics would win the world series every year

106. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

     if billy beane had the phillies payroll they would have won a world series at least once in that timeframe

107. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

     pat gillick is a lapdog.

108. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

     Billy Beane is a good GM.. how many World Series rings does he have?

     MOST OF OUR TEAM WAS BUILT BY ED WADE… but its hard not to take advantage of Ed Wade…

     One of them does a nice job everywhere they go… Is Ed Wade smart for not trading Rollins, Utley, Howard, etc… or is Gillick just as smart for knowing which guys to build around when he got here??

     If we would have signed Rowand to the deal that the Giants gave him.. we would have no money to sign anyone good in the coming years.

109. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

     are you related to Billy Beane or something?

110. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

     The Marlins have won it with a lower payroll than Beane..

     and in the early part of this decade his payroll wasn’t as low is it is now.. he had a few years where they were among the higher teams, 12th in 2001.

     2007 Opening Day Payroll $79 Million
     2007 record = 76-86

     Here is the payroll record a few years after the took the A’s GM job:

     In 1999, the Athletics ranked 11th in the American League in payroll, and fifth in wins.

     In 2000, the Athletics ranked 12th in payroll, and second in wins.

     In 2001, the Athletics ranked 12th in payroll, and second in wins.

     In 2002, the Athletics rank 12th in payroll, and first in wins.

     Obviously he’s a good GM.. but he’s not God. Some guys have done more with less, and some guys have done less with much more.

111. Phil Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

     My retarded uncle just said Jimmy Rollins is the best short stop in baseball. hahaha

112. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

     The marlins are abetter example, thats a good call. theyve won with limited resources because they have the best scouts and an outstanding general manager.

     gillicks done some good things, yes, but every year it seems as though 25% of the payroll is eaten up by dead money and that were always stuck paying off this bad contract or paying off that bad contract.

     thsi year theyve got thome, helms, eaton, myers, jenkins all eating up payroll and doing absolutely nothing. and two of them are playing for someone else at our expense! thats DISGRACEFUL,

     eaton:8mm
     myers:8.5mm
     helmm: 2mm
     jenkins: 5mm
     thome:6mm left
     ill even give tom gordon th ebenefit of the doubt and exclude him from this lsit

     thats 29.5 mm, give or take a few mm due to any error there might be in the salary, just being PISSED AWAY and is essentially dead money. i like the feliz signing, by the way, because hes producing at or just under league average with superb defense and is signed cheaply.

     so what are the holes they still need to fill? everyday outfielder, setup man, starting pitcher. 29.5mm would REALLY REALLY patch those holes up………

113. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

     Wasn’t Thome signed before Gillick got here?? And didn’t Myers look GREAT as the closer last year for $8-million…. and wasn’t the trade to dump Thome for Rowand a good move..

     My whole point is that you can’t have All-Stars at every spot… and didn’t we all think Jenkins was a good signing when we got him??

     You get problems when you have solid starting lineups and you try to plug in the remaining spots.. how the hell is someone going to be a reliable producer when they only play every other game.. you can’t get into a groove at the plate because as soon as you do, you sit the next game..

114. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

     Yes it was a good move. ok ill relieve him of thomes money. 23.5mm on his head because i forgot about that i think that was still on wade…and rowand was a good move.

     NOW…there is no excuse for the jenkinds signing being that bad. if they got him for cheap, tahts one thing, but hes making 5mm this year, 7mm next year, and options after that and hes going NOTHING.

     you can get a good reliever for 5-7mm.

     brett myers was a SERVICEABLE closer, dont get oo carried away.

     next year myers wil make like 12mm and he only has value as a setup man here or a closer elsewhere, thats not good at all. thats a gillick contract too, i believe.

     so well be on the hook for eatons money and myers money and will probably have to eat taht to get rid of them. same with jenkins.

     so AGAIN, they will be paying off bad contracts for years to come…..thank you pat gillick.

115. Phil Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

     Myers is definitely a Wade contract. Gillick got here in 06? Maybe 05? Myers got signed in 04 I believe.

116. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

     oh ok. didnt have taht info in front of me….

     if you include the 20mm that they lied about spending that they havent spent yet, and the rest of that money, though, minus myers, you still come out with 35mm. 15mm from bad contracts, and 20mm they lied about spending.

     so where does that money all go? back into the team? of course not..

117. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

     guys, i forgot, can you remind me again, how many times have the made the playoffs under pat gillick?
     once?

     right, thats what i thought. ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

118. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

     Without Brett Myers as the closer last year.. they don’t make the playoffs..

     Last year he made like $5-million.. so that was AMAZING… this year at $8.5 – its terrible… They won’t trade Myers without getting some value, and he’s got way too much talent to have to eat his contract to send him somewhere..

     Jenkins is overpaid, and Eaton is terrible..

     EVERY team has to pay off bad contracts for years to come…and EVERY team gets lucky and has guys under control and under-paid… Hamels, Victorino, Utley etc..

119. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

     Gillick has been the GM since November 2005… in 2006 they improved over the previous years… in 2007 they won the NL EAST.

     ONLY… 50% !!!!!!!

120. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

     I do think theyll get something for myers but itll be in the offseason. i dont see them moving him before the deadline. i ijust hope he can be a middle reliever in the stretch run here this year until they can move him for prospects in the offseason. re DEFINITELY have to trade for a legit late inning setupman, maybe even a closer from a bad team that on thsi team is a setupman. liek george sherrill…

121. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

     George Sherrill is going to be the NEXT example of a guy that had a decent year, signed somewhere… and then gets paid $8-Million by some team and 2 years later their fans are RIPPING the GM because the guy has a 5 ERA..

122. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

     Myers signed an extension before last season for 3 years and $25.75 or $8.5 average over the contract.

     last year, he was worth WAY MORE than 8.5M… this year, WAY LESS….and he’s still on the hook next year, or they trade him.

     Utley signed then for $85 M over 7 years… which is a steal if you ask me

123. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

     george sherrill is signed cheaply for this year. if you dont want to resign him, then let him walk and collect the draft picks as he MAY quality for type A this year

124. Geoff Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

     the utley contract was a good signing, yes.

125. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

     Hey you guys think McNabb is going to rock this year

126. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

     Listen I think we still need a big time Wide Out like Chad

127. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

     yea, fa sho

128. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

     We need to get behind the Eagles this year guys … its all or nothing all the way to the super bowl or we all move to Montana

129. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

     Gillick has a proven track record… he’s won everyplace he’s gone… in his two years here, he improved the team both years… and for some reason that = GILLICK SUCKS by a couple guys on here

130. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

     what do you guys think of westbrook …. remember Jaws was our QB that guy was crazy

131. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

     Gillick is no Andy Reid or Jaws or McNabb. Gillick can not tackle or even cover anyone in the open feild. We need speed

132. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

     You guys think we can sign Montel Jordan in the offseason?

133. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

     I think Philly needs something where McNabb and Jaws are on the streets waling around talking to the fans and having them say what they feel about the Eagels and the Raiders

134. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

     What do you guys think of a McNabb show on TV where he is cooking and then bringing the food to the streets and given it out for people to eat and watch Eagles football

135. Don M Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

     nerd

136. I know You Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

     Who Jaws? Why casue he wheres glasses? That is not nice Don M. Not at all but him and McNabb should rock it hard all year you know what I am saying

137. Artist Formally Known As The Better Voice of Reason (same guy) Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

     No Manny, bad Manny. Silly guys

138. oaklandphilsphan Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

     The debate is now over:

     http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/07/phillies_not_in.html

     “It doesn’t look like Manny Ramirez will be wearing red pinstripes anytime soon.

     According to a report by Jack Curry today in the New York Times Bats blog, Philadelphia Phillies general manager Pat Gillick has no interest in exploring a trade for the outspoken Sox slugger:

     “At this point, there’s no interest [in Manny] on our part,” said Gillick, in a telephone interview. “We have no place to play the guy. …
     “Burrell has to play left field and I don’t think Ramirez has played right field in seven or eight years,” Gillick said.

     The Mets and the Phillies are not interested in acquiring Ramirez, and the Red Sox do not want to trade him to an American League team because they do not want Ramirez to end up hurting them this season. It seems more and more probable that Ramirez will remain with the Red Sox for the rest of the season. “

139. J-Man Says:
     July 28th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

     The Phils will never go after a guy like Manny Ramirez.

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