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54 Responses to “Report: Phils Pursuing AJ Burnett”

1. clicheguevara Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 2:37 am

   Let them take Golson, but only if we will be able to hold onto Burnett

2. Mike T. Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 7:48 am

   Give em Golson first, then Carrasco – I want Marson up here next year to replace GIDP.

3. MS Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:27 am

   give them golson, donald, harman and take our chances on keeping him. i’m fine with that.

   if howard is really heating up, adding a starting pitcher would make a statement.

4. Mike T. Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:44 am

   To be honest, I think Carrasco is overrated – if he’s the name everyone is calling, ship him away.

5. Mike T. Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:46 am

   Trading inside the division is often rare – but if we’re selling a big name guy, the Nationals farm system is where to look – I’m telling you right now.

6. Griffin Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:48 am

   NO!!!!
   Burnett is not even good and he’s owe $24 million after this season. Why should we give up anything for him. Please no, it would be a HUGE mistake. How can this organization be too cheap to sign Lohse for one year and yet be willing to waste $24 million on Burnett and have to give up top prospects?!!
   Avoid this duche.

7. Geoff Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:54 am

   They didnt get lohse because they didnt give him the 4 years he wanted. lohse, at the time, wouldve taken 4 years 30mm but they didnt offer that.

   if carrasco and marson are untouchable then you go bastardo/savery golson, lesser prospect. and you make sure that douche doesnt opt out after the season.

8. Griffin Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:59 am

   He’s got a 5.23 ERA and a 1.51 WHIP. I don’t care that he strikes out alot of guys, he puts alot of guys on base as well.

   He’s thrown over 173 innings only TWICE in his career. He’s not good and not durable and not cheap. If we want to panic, then let’s trade them the farm, but if he gets traded, he’s going to want a team to extend his contract. yuck.

9. pb Says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 10:03 am

   I’d like to expand the deal for it to include Rios. I would make Werth the right handed bat and runner off the bench again. Then next season you don’t need to resign Pat the Bat and would have an outfield of Vic in CF Rios in RF and the platoon of Werth/Jenkins would slide over to LF.

10. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    RIOS just signed a huge, long contract extension. he is not going anywehere and the phillies dont have enough to get him. id be very surprised if theyd be able to swing that.

11. pb Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Yeah I know they resigned him but Rios is having a down year and Wells contract is about to explode. 10M next year, 21M in 2010, 23M in 2011, 21M in 2012, 21M and 2013. There best hitting prospect is Tavis Snyder who I believe is an OF but maybe more of a DH.

12. Fran Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Who ever said we were too cheap to sign loshe is wrong. Philadelphia didnt let go of loshe. Loshe let go of philadelphia

13. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    they didnt give lohse the years he wanted. remeber that it was all about years. he wanted 4 or 5 years (boras) and gillick doesnt do more than 3.

14. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    gillick offered burrell 2 years 20mm, thats an insult

15. dan Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    where did you hear that

16. Phil Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    I read it too, I forget where. Maybe mlbtraderumors.com It is a disgrace. Offer the guy 5 years $40 million 1st.

17. Rob E. Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I just want to throw this out there.

    I know we need another frontline starter but would anyone really object to somehow taking on a bad contract in order to jettison Eaton and singing back Moyer.

    Like Pudge for Eaton and GIDP. We lose gain 5 million in payroll but Pudge can walk at the end of the season and we get draft picks. the Tigers are desperate for pitching. Their farm system has nothing really coming down the pipe in the next 2 years.

18. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    If Pudge becomes a free agent at the end of the season and marson is ready next season. then taht is an awesome move. will detroit do it? dunno.

    ill let him walk and take the draft picks. hes old anyway. im ok with that. great suggestion rob e. were basically freeing up 8mm next year to be used on more productive people than eaton.

    moyer wont go anywhere though. but im all for unloading eatons contract and renting a veteran catcher. maybe you have to give detroit someone like jaramillo or a mid-level prospect to sweeten it up a bit.

    will detroit go for that? dunno.

19. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    unloading eatons contract THIS season should be a priority though after you address your main needs

20. Phil Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    mlb.com has said Eaton is on the trade block. Eaton is having a decent year, a better year than Burnett actually. I think that Eaton can be moved.

21. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    when did they write that story? recently? id like to read..

22. Geoff Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    thats good lunchtime reading material

23. tom Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    excuse me? 5 years 40$milion for pat burrell? i love pat as much as the next guy but this is about fiscal responsibility. the reason why wade was such a bad GM was that he handed humongous contracts to Burrell and Abreu that at the time looked great… but since neither player became a superstar hampered the team for years because of their size and inability to move them. this is about as good as burrell can get, you do not want burrell 5 years from now on the hook for 10-12$million (assuming they backload it which they probably would).

    the most overrated prospect we’ve got right now is golson, if the jays are high on him why not sell high and take a risk with burnett. it’s no secret he hasn’t been happy in toronto this year and his numbers up to this year stack up just fine. would i rather have bedard? yes. but if burnett is coming cheap enough he’s worth a shot because we’ve still got carasco and happ as september callups if need be.

24. PhilliesDiary Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Please no Burnett!! Has anyone seriously looked at his numbers?

25. go utley Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Too high ERA

26. Pete Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Burnett is fine, so long as Golson is the best guy we give up. Trading for Bedard is a bad, bad idea. Burnett’s numbers are much better than Bedard’s, who, I repeat, has pitched one great year in his entire career and otherwise is completely average.

27. philsphan Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I wouldn’t mind having Burnett, as long as you don’t have to give up Carrasco, Marson, or Donald for him. I would offer Golson, Harman, and another mid/low level prospect (pitcher) for Burnett. If Roy Halladay was available I would give up Carrasco, Golson, and Donald for him.

28. Phil Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Whynot trade Donald?

29. J-Man Says:
    July 12th, 2008 at 3:22 am

    I say do a trade for Burnett if we’re not giving up Marson or Carrasco…I wouldn’t mind dealing Golson in the trade…If Burnett comes to the Phils he’ll be reunited with his pitching coach from the Marlins Rich Dubee,so maybe that’ll be off for him.

30. steve Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    You have to give up Donald in a trade for Burnett. It’s no secret that the Jays want a SS, and Keith Law recently wrote that Jason Donald is a solid SS prospect who will be major league ready in 2009. He’ll undoubtedly be traded. The big stumbling block has been the Phillies unwillingness to trade Golson, Marson, or Carrasco in the deal. I understand Marson and Carrasco, but you have to deal Golson and Donald. I’ve also heard the Phillies wouldn’t include Marson or Carrasco in their deal for C.C. Sabathia, which is ludicris if it’s true…

31. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Not insane at all Steve. Carrasco looks like Josh Beckett and Marson is a future all-star.

32. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Can we stop with the Carlos Carrasco- Josh Beckett comparisons ??? Im not sure where they got started, but its insane.. Carrasco projects as a #3 pitcher, with his ceiling projected as a #2. Beckett is, at times, one of the best pitchers in baseball

33. Geoff Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Its the way his throws. When you say Josh Beckett you say thats the potential thats what he reminds you of. it doesnt mean thats what he is or what he will be.

34. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Carrasco is a long ways away from being a top pitcher in the Majors. He’s carrying a pretty high ERA…he gives up about a hit per inning.. He’s good, but he’s not GOD

    Josh Beckett throws HIGH HEAT at peope’s chins… Carrasco throws like 92mph… there deliveries really aren’t that similar…

    Maybe Im just knit-picking but I can’t let you get away with saying Myers performance at AA was crappy, because it was against AA hitters, and against MLB hitters it would have been 6-7 ER…. But then say that Carrasco, who has a high ERA in AA would be a stud pitcher at the big league level this year or next…

35. Geoff Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Carrasco tops out at 96.

36. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I think he was around #50 in terms of overall prospects in baseball… that was before the season started, I don’t know if that gets updated now that Jay Bruce, Ellsbury, Longoria, etc are mlb regulars..

    I want them to keep Carrasco, because I think he’s going to be solid, but I think its going to take a while before he has a real impact

37. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “TOPS OUT AT” … he was regularly hitting 90-92, and I think i saw 94 once in his inning at the futures game. Now stretch him out a little and maybe in the 3rd, 4th innings he hits 94 regularly, which ain’t shabby… but he’s no Josh Beckett. I’d sell my soul to have Josh Beckett pitching on this team right now with Hamels as the #2

38. steve Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    from what i’m gathering from Carrasco, he operates in the 90-92 range consistently and can dial up to about 96 if needed with control. The thing that’s holding him at AA seems to be his offspeed command. I didn’t get to watch the future’s game on TV, but I read that he didn’t throw a single off-speed pitch in the future’s game. I can’t help but wonder if that’s due to his shoulder tightness.

    And I think the Phillies should have included Marson and Carrasco, or some combination of the two, in a deal for Sabathia. CC would have given the Phils a legitimate 1-2 punch, both of which would have been lefties. It would have sent a clear message to the clubhouse that the Phillies were going all out for the title this year and energized that clubhouse. (In my opinion)

    I don’t know if I’d go for Burnett. I think I’d bring up Happ after the all-star break and see what the kid has instead of Eaton before we make a deal. I think we can afford to wait on Burnett, because as far as I know, Burnett really isn’t in demand by many other teams. I also couldn’t help but laugh at the Rockies asking for Carrasco or Marson for Fuentes. Gillick wouldn’t give them up for CC and the Rox think we’ll included them for a new set-up guy? Hilarious.

39. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Josh Beckett is a great pitcher, but he’s not even top 10 in the AL. Josh Beckett’s greatness comes from his ability to come through in big games. He’s not as great as everyone thinks he is. He was projected as a #2 as well.

40. Geoff Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    he generally throws 90-93. good movement on the fastball, really good curveball when its working. but its his consistency and command he needs to fix.

    If he can get his control down, then he will win 18 games at least once in his career. thats right.

41. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    I heard the Brett Myers was going to 15 games once in his career… he got close… he won 14 games one season.

    Josh Beckett was absolutely FILTHY last year, 20-7, with a 3.27 ERA… and is untouchable in the post-season

    I’d like to know which 10 pitchers in the AL you want over Josh Beckett…

42. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Okay, you’re right, I got a little carried away. But he’s not top 10 in the majors.

43. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Who is? We’re talking if you are picking 10 pitchers that you want on your roster… and not like CLiff Lee because he’s having a good year so far… he was in AAA last year cause he was all over the place… so legit, which 10 pitchers do you want on your roster

44. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Lincecum
    Hamels
    Volquez
    Santana
    Santana
    Sabathia
    Lackey
    Jurrjens
    Zambrano
    Haren
    Webb
    Halladay
    Marmol
    King Felix

    to name a few

45. steve Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    haha i’m sorry. I thought for a second that I just read the names Marmol and Jurrjens…strange. let me get my glasses……..

    ….wtf!? Is that a typo?

46. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    I think the definites are:
    Brandon Webb, CC Sabathia, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, Roy Halladay, Tim Lincecum, Josh Beckett, ……..

    Hamels, Lackey, Zambrano, Harren are all in the discussion..

    Marmol is a reliever… and if you would take Jurrjens and Felix Hernandez…and Hamels OVER Bekett… then you should be drug tested ASAP..

47. Mike T. Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    I love Don’s drug testing requests. Hey Don, with everything we disagree on, what drug do you think I should be tested for?

48. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    I meant to say Marcom not MArmol , my bad.

49. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    And god I forgot Peavy because he plays for the fucking Padres. Harden and Sheets would be in duscussion if they weren’t injury risks. I’d take King Felix and Hamels over Beckett because of their age.

50. Phil Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Also, would take Jurrjens cause of his age. He has good stuff. He’s going to be a stud.

51. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Crack… people that would take Marcom, Felix Hernandez, and even Cole Hamels over Josh Beckett… smoke crack.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

52. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Christ Phil… come on dude… this is why I get so fired up… then you should take Halladay and Webb and whoever else out too since they aren’t young either

    This is like the day when you and Geoff tried to say that Hamels isn’t an ACE.. and that he would be a #2 or even a #3 on most AL teams..

    Should we take Carrasco and Bastardo over Beckett too because of their age?

53. Geoff Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Hey im not bashing beckett at all. Carrasco reminds me of Beckett, that doesnt mean hell ever be as good, but it means he carries the same style.

    well, now, cole hamels would be a 3 on the cubs and the brewers….though i personally think hes better than zambrano the ucb swould choose zambrano to start over him

54. Don M Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I was trying to really come to a consensus (spell check) as to which pitchers we thought were currently the best in baseball..

    And I’d really to do that so we all know where we judge prospects and who we think is overrated.. so that we all dont keep arguing over the same thing every few weeks…

    Someone … Geoff… or Phil… should start a 1-10 list that we can start debating… such as how Volquez is good, but obviously not top-10…Harren is good, but I think Webb is better…etc and see where we want to rank Hamels… and Burnett…and Bedard etc

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