Rollins: Phils Fans Aren’t Supportive Enough

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, August 14, 2008 12:17 AM

Jimmy Rollins and Ryan Howard were on “The Best Damn Sports Show Period” last night, and they were asked about playing in an environment like Philadelphia. Here’s what they said:

Chris Rose: Is it bad? It’s not that bad, is it?
Howard: In Philly? Umm …
Rollins: It can be.
Howard: It can be.
Rollins: It can be. I mean, there are times. Like, one of those cities, they — I might catch some flak for this but … they’re frontrunners. You know, when you’re doing good, they’re on your side. When you’re doing bad they’re completely …
Rose: But that’s a lot of cities.
John Salley: That’s called family. That’s called family.
Rollins: Yeah man, I hear you, but for example, Ryan’s from Saint Louis and — you know — Saint Louis, it seems like, they support their team, and they’re out there and they’re encouraging. In Philly — can’t be no punk.

It’s a shame, really, that we’re now at this stage with Rollins. After the lax play, benching and showing up late, Rollins has to say something like this.

First off, let’s put this out here: Rollins has a small point. At least from his perception. He’s been in Philly his entire career and has seen some bad teams. He’s seen some sparse crowds, and yeah, when the Phils stink, the crowds are sparse. It’s true — when the Phils play bad, the fans usually stay home. And yes, I do get a little miffed when most fans don’t clap before a big spot in a game. So he has a point there. Maybe we’re not like Cardinals fans, who do show up to every game and cheer (somewhat blindly) for their team every day.

But we’re not Cardinals fans. We haven’t had a recent world champion. We’ve only had one. We’re supporting the worst franchise in baseball history. Have a little perception from our side, Jimmy. Realize that we’re starving for a championship. Realize that in Boston, a city that today would be called one of loyal fans, no one went to storied Fenway Park in the early 1990s. Realize that in the Bronx, nobody went to Yankee Stadium during those lousy mid 1980s Yankee teams. Realize that 28 of the 29 big league cities are not Saint Louis.

But this isn’t about Saint Louis. It’s about a supposed leader who completely turned himself against his fanbase. This guy couldn’t buy a boo in 2007; this year he’s practically begging for us to hate him. Why? What the hell have we done to him? We’ve paid good money to see this team play. We’ve packed Citizens Bank Park to the brim more than 40 times in 2008 for this team. We throw down money to see a division champion defend its title. And what have the players given us? Whining. Lethargy. And this crap — from the supposed leader.

Hey, Jimmy, you make millions of dollars each year to play this grand old game. If I made millions to swing at 15 pitches and take a few grounders every day, I wouldn’t care one bit if the fans supported my team. And yet we do support you. We come out in droves. We want a champion, that’s the bottom line. Sure, Cardinals fans like having a good, friendly family time at Busch Stadium II. Like I said before, they’re the only franchise that has that type of fandom.

All we’ve ever wanted is for our team to show up everyday, play good baseball, and hopefully win about 60 percent of its games. Like Boston, like New York, if you make the playoffs, we’ll be clapping for every single moment. But we’re not there yet. And we might not get there in 2008, mainly because of you, Jimmy. You’re not playing well. And that’s the issue. Ever figure that when you played well in 2007, we supported your every move?

Anyway, Jimmy is asking to leave Philly. Maybe he can follow in Scott Rolen’s path, get away from “pressure” and indulge in “Baseball Heaven.” And if so, that’s sad — we always … always thought he was tougher than that, better than that.

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  1. adam Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    something has changed in jimmy since he won the mvp award, this is why i like burrell, he has struggled and endured the boos without opening his mouth

  2. adam Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    we cheer when things go well and boo when they don’t, that’s what fans do because they are in the stands

  3. Greg V. Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    I hope Jimmy ends up on the waiver wire next week! It is really sad what has become of him. Even more sad is the Phillies website which seems to endorse his comments. I’m completely disgusted! I have been a fan of this team from my birth (they won the Series when I was 3 months old). I have supported some great teams (’93) and some bad teams (2000) and I have never booed them! But next week when I’m there, I will be sure to exercise my best Mets at bat, when Mr. Rollins steps up to the plate!

  4. Georgie Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Very well put, Tim. I’ve been questioning his newfound attitude all season, looking for a reason for this complete reversal. I loved Jimmy, he was a joy to watch until this year. I never thought I would say this, but I think he needs to go, and that interview pretty much was the nail in the coffin. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to be here, prefers a town that doesn’t know that much about the game, and fans will kiss his ass no matter what. His prima dona attitude could be part of the team’s problem, looking to him to be their leader like last year, and now he just doesn’t care.

  5. ChrisB Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    The whole “philly” fan thing is such a load of shit. I mean, sure, we’re tough people who’re very invested in our teams. But so are so many fans from so many teams. The only thing that separates us from other fans is the fact that we haven’t had a goddamn championship in 25 years! You take Boston, or LA, or New York, or Atlanta, or any fucking city that has the same 25 year streak, of course we are gonna be cynical and tough. The whole “asshole philadelphia fans” thing seems so misconstrued to me. It’s completely media generated, and the players like Rollins and Howard are buying into it. You know when we’ll stop booing? You know when we will support your every move, Rollins? WHEN YOU WIN A FUCKING CHAMPIONSHIP. And not a moment before then. We’ve had too many good athletes make promises and fail to deliver. Suck it up, and win some games. Or at least show up to them on time.

    Sorry, bad rant. Just pissed.

  6. ChrisB Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Also, the thing about it is, when (or if) on of the philly franchises wins a championship, you know every goddamn player on that team will be loved for all time. Even if those players turn into huge assholes. Certainly if TO had brought home a Vince Lombardi trophy in ‘04, no matter how much of a jerk he was, I would still support him.

    In other words, this city can be so giving, a team just needs to fucking win to see it.

  7. Jamie Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Well stated, Tim. I think Jimmy has a lot of potential and can be a great player for years to come, but if he keeps this up, I wouldn’t mind seeing him shipped out of town for some pitching or outfield help. We could give Donald a shot, or go after a FA that’s much less of a headache than he’s become this year.

  8. Wilson Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    This is ultimately one of the saddest days of my Phillies life. There aren’t too many that I’d put before it. From the very beginning on his fledgling career I was a Jimmy Rollins fan. He was the first Phillie that I really went out on a limb to cheer for since Kruk. I don’t really know why, if it was his energy, his charisma, his spark, when he came up, but I liked him. I was pumped with the hitting streak and thought he finally got his just dues with the MVP last season. And now 2008….what happened Jimmy? His laziness, poor play, and now he runs his mouth, have all been the anti-Jimmy. Young James, you are on the fast track to infamy with other philly “phavorite” athletes named Owens, Rolen, and Lindros. I never thought it would happen, but I too will boo J-Roll when he comes to the plate next time at CBP. He needs to go. Bring me Jason Donald

  9. Georgie Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Go ahead and rant- what do you tell someone like my dad, who’s almost 87 and has seen one championship in his lifetime? He keeps saying to me, I hope the Phillies win a WS before I die. He has stuck with this team thru the bad and good, but do players like Jimmy or the owners give a crap about fans like that, apparently not. Sure they’re competitive almost every year, but that’s not enough anymore. This town deserves a winner, and Jimmy’s not one anymore.

  10. danny Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    hahaha bye bye Jimmy!

  11. Greg Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Rollins needs to shut his mouth and try winning a game , instead of pointing fingers at the fans.

  12. rob Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Lack-of-hustle benchings…showing up late for games…and now this.

    Wow.

    Well, look at the brightside.

    At least the Phils don’t have a selfish punk like Jose Reyes on their team!

  13. Greg Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Gillick needs to make changes even if means send Rollins Packing.

  14. jim Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:22 am

    I am 50 years old and have been a Phillies fan for 45 of those years. Faithfully watch or attend at least 150 games a year. During that time I have seen EXACTLY ONE Championship. It has now been 10,158 days, 23 ours, and 46 minutes since the 1980 World Series. I am STILL a Phillies fan. For Jimmy Rollins to call me a front runner is ABSURD. Jimmy Rollins can kiss my front running ASS!

  15. Greg Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:22 am

    ould have fooled me Rob

  16. Rich the Mets Fan Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:24 am

    As much as I would love to say “Good riddance” in regards to Jimmy, being the Mets fan that I am, you all would be surprised to learn that I’m just as stunned about his regression. I gave him respect where it was due after last season. Now I’ll just take that respect back, thank you very much.

    After this season, I predict he heads West to L.A. Kinda fits his style, right? He’ll fit in with his wheat grass drinks and demands to be scripted in a big-budget flop. As Ron White put it, “It changes people.” Well, he has changed since last season, but going to Hollywood would make it full-blown and very fitting.

  17. Greg Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:24 am

    I too am like you Jim and I agree

  18. J-Man Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Maybe he just wants out of Philly because the organization doesn’t do enough to try and win which is true and he’s trying to find ways to be traded.

  19. Jmmy Rollins Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:40 am

    hey frontrunners! I won the MVP award last year, don’t hate me.

  20. Tomato Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    I am just devastated right now. I should have expected this given Jimmy’s behavior this year, but I’ve been blindsided.

    By the way, Jimmy’s performance today really showed me he wants the love from the fans.

  21. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    I got home from the bar around 11 and turned on the game to see a 6-1 lead. I came on here and read that in the game thread under the same post. I then researched it online and then closed my laptop for the rest of the evening. I am truly devastated by his actions this year. I bought my Rollins jersey in like 03 or 04. He’s been my favorite player since 02. I used to go to the vet just to see him play. I claimed he’d be the next Jeter. I was so excited to have a player like that on this team. I’m actually really hurt now. I’m about to sell my Rollins jersey and bobble head doll on ebay. I guess us front runner fans aren’t the same ones chanting MVP every time you came up to bat. I really wish there was a way I could tell him how I feel.

  22. danny Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    I hope Jimmy gets booed big time!

  23. Phillies Suck Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Thats if he shows up in time!

  24. Rob Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    I just don’t get it. What a pussy.

  25. Jimmy Rollins Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    *sniffle* can I get an order of french cries with that wamburger?

  26. Mark Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    They deserve the fans’ ire. Last 2 games; UGLY! Score early and not often enough, and then go to slumber always depending on the pitching without augmenting the runs with offensive production later in the game.
    Or getting deep enough behind and not having the ability to come all of the way back. Something is definitely missing this season from last season.

  27. NJ Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 5:34 am

    disgraceful, does anything more need to be said?

  28. Philly in LA Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 6:02 am

    I’ve always liked Rollins. And forget about not running out the fly ball or being late. I don’t care about that so much.

    What’s really bothered me this year is that as the Phils have struggled, everytime Rollins is asked about it, he says the same thing — media and fans making too big a deal about it, season is long and lots of games left, they will get it together.

    Well 6 weeks left in the season and lots of things looking shaky, including usual suspects of clutch hitting and inability to play small ball, but also some more recent shakiness in bullpen and injuries. Defense also looking shaky, and that includes Rollins. Offense way too dependent on long ball.

    Is Rollins still confident Phils can turn it on whenever they want? Fact is phils don’t have a leader, which was clear before Rowand got here (after Rollins) and remains true today with Rowand gone. Rollins was an inspiration last year, but this year is a sour dud and far from a team leader. Utley is too quiet. Victorino too young. Howard’s got his own struggles. Burrell’s been rendered squirrelly. Everyone else either hasn’t been here long, or have their own issues (Mendoza line) that prevents them from being leaders. Hamels certainly could be one, but we only see him every fifth day, and the Phils are doing everything they can do to shatter his confidence with perisistently lousy run support.

    Since Rollins has been a member of the many Phillies teams that have missed the playoffs by a few games, he should know as well as anyone the cost of pissing away games prior to September. Instead, we get to hear a 260 lead off hitter with a lower OBP than Burrell piss about the fans. Phils should release Rollins and sign Mike Richards.

  29. NJ Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 6:14 am

    This is why we don’t win like the Cubs/Sox/Angels… Those players want to win and they know how to win. Rollins is meant to be our leader and Howard is meant to be the big guy of the team yet they both play like little leaguers.

    I really loved what the FO were building here but it’s time for a roster purge, lets be real our roster is stocked with prominent guys who don’t want to be Philadelphia Phillies and the ones that do are allowed to walk, exit Burrell.

  30. U R SCUM Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 7:02 am

    Good bye, Phillies. Teams with this kind of attitude don’t make the playoffs. Enjoy playing the role of spoiler over the rest of the season.

  31. Chase Mutley Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 7:38 am

    Any chance we can get Jeff Garcia and AI off of waivers to play shortstop and first base? They can’t do any worse and they at least stuck up for the fans.

    Go watch the Jimmy Rollins episode of Cribs and then read this again. Corny ass bitch with his monogrammed pool table.

  32. Tim Malcolm Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 7:53 am

    I’m almost reminded of Willie Mays Hayes in Major League 2. After a great season he stars in a bad movie, develops a fake injury and has an attitude problem. And no one knows why.

  33. MA Phanatic Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:01 am

    you do realize this is the stuff that costs a team the playoffs, right? I mean, there is no way that we make the playoffs now. Seriously..we’re done. We’re going to finish 3rd in the division.

  34. MA Phanatic Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:27 am

    also…..I’ll probably catch some flack for this, but I don’t think Rollins was trying to talk his way out of Philly. I think he’s just taking fan response to his play this year personally. I’m not justifying that idea, but I’m just saying he was the MVP last year and everyone loved him. Now he’s struggling and everyone hates him. He is taking that personally. He feels he is probably owed a year of gratitude, and he’s not getting it. I’m from Boston, and I can tell you, it was the same way with the Red Sox in ‘05. The Sox that year could do no wrong. They won a championship in 2004, and everyone loved them so much, nobody seemed to care that they really didn’t play up to their potential in ‘05. Now it’s not the same situation this year, i’m not trying to say that. Rollins didn’t win a championship in Philly, but he did win a major award, and my feeling is that he feels entitled now.

    I don’t think he wants to Leave Philly, but I do think he feels hurt and finally let his feelings known to the public. Again, i’m not defending him..just giving my observation of the situation.

  35. Dennis Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Screw you Jimmy Rollins! I can’t believe a part of me is sitting here hoping the Phillies fail this year!

  36. Tom Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    I am truly done with him…hes just become lazy and no heart anymore

    to go on the best damn sports show and say that we are frontrunners and he said philadelphiaaaaa saying sixers eagles phillies etc…

    I can’t wait to c him go and i honestly hope we trade him to toronto or seatle some shitty team in the middle of nowhere and watch him rot away

  37. Griffin Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    I couldn’t care less about what Rollins says about the fans. Just win, and this year, we’re not winning. I’m not gonna boo him b/c of comments he made, I’ll just do what most fans do, not show up when they play like piss. Apathy is the best message. Wake me up when the Phils win two in a row, until then, I’ll watch women’s archery or something….

  38. philsphan Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    Jason Donald went 3 for 4 in the Olympics…watch out J Roll!

  39. Tom Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    also id like to include the fact that i wrote on this board COUNTLESS TIMES

  40. Tom Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    also id like to include the fact that i wrote on this board COUNTLESS TIMEs about how we need to trade for manny and mostly everybody on this board said no BURRELL IS BETTER HAHAHA…well looks what i c…i c a team that scores once or twice in 2 innings then shuts int down while i c manny hitting NL pitching like it was off a TEE…

    fuck all you burrell lovers

  41. Rick Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    Oh man! Geoff is going to have a field day with this! Bring on the J-Roll trade proposals. Anything goes no matter how ridiculous after this.

    J-Roll will be moved in the offseason. I think he just about guaranteed that! The worst part is that the Phillies probably won’t get squat in return for him because who wants this attitude on their team? (maybe LA?) Between the attitude and his disappointing season, the Phils will probably get shafted.

    This is pretty disheartening. I thought Jimmy was a Philly kind of guy. I thought he had a thick skin and understood that the fans are going to cheer or jeer depending on performance. You win and you will be LOVED as a legend forever in philly!

    St. Louis fans have no passion for the game. My girlfriend is from western IL and grew up a Cardinals fans. I’ve been there and from my experience, Cardinals fans lack knowledge and don’t understand the game like Cubs, Phillies, Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox fans. They’re boring. They still clap when their players f-up.

    Maybe J-Roll would prefer to be playing for a team like the Marlins where they’re lucky if 5000 fans show up even when they ARE a contender!

  42. mick Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    OK guys here we go–I have been a diehard Phillie fan for 50 years–listen or watch every game that I do not go to–full season plan holder for years. Yes Rollins should zip it up and play- he is a great talent having an off year, but when it comes to Phillies fans he is RIGHT on.The fans show up , they clap when somebody does well–the rest of the time they sit like bumps on a log. If you go to Yankee Stadium, Shea or Fenway which I do, you see fans load their teams on their back and make the home field an advantage–All three of these parks generate twice the noise of the Phillie faithful. It is unbelievable how quiet Phillies fans are when the team is down a run or two—If you do not believe me go to Shea or Fenway. Until Phillies fans stop taking their worlds problems out on the players,home field will never help this team–it is a huge reason why the Phils do not quite make it over the top–Philadelphia fans–WAKE up you are half the problem

  43. Griffin Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    mick, I don’t disagree about the atmosphere in the ballpark, etc. I hate Shea and Yankee stadiums, but NY is a baseball town and you can tell when you go to those stadiums. With 2 outs and 2 strikes, the fans stand and cheer, rooting for the K. That just doesn’t happen in Philly. Philly is turning into a GOOD baseball town, but is nowhere near a GREAT one.

  44. Lewisauce Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    I gave up on this season almost week ago, after that 12-inning Pirates debacle. This cements it completely. The excitement I had coming in to this season is gone, the sheer euphoria I felt in late May feels like last year, and any glimmer of hope that I had remaining has now been extinguished.

    We ain’t making the playoffs. We’re now tied for first place, and it’s going to be all down hill from here, folks. Milwaukee, the Cubs, the Dodgers, the D-Backs, the Marlins — possibly even the Mets — give a shit. Jimmy doesn’t. Howard never did.

    So instead of lamenting too much, I’ll turn my attention to next year. What pitchers are available on the free-agent market? What hitters/leaders are available? Can we get Rowand back from San Fran in a trade? What can we get for Jimmy in the off-season? (Though you and I know the team won’t trade him.)

  45. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Im still a little stunned that I was so right about this guy. He definitely wants out. whoever the GM is, just make it a good one.

  46. Fred Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Why has everyone got their shorts in a knot over this? This is the normal professional’s attitude these days. He’s late for games, doesn’t take BP, no hustle on the basepaths – what do you think his attitude is?

    The troubling thing for me is Howard is right beside him chumming along. Is this Howard’s attitude also?

    Forget Marson and Donald as the saviors. They can’t even crack the Olympic team starting nine. You’d think sure-fire big league studs would tear up the Olympics not warm the bench.

  47. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Somebody PLEASE tell me where he is wrong in this statement:

    “Rollins: It can be. I mean, there are times. Like, one of those cities, they — I might catch some flak for this but … they’re frontrunners.

    You know, when you’re doing good, they’re on your side. When you’re doing bad they’re completely …”

    Like I said yesterday… he’s 100% correct.. Of all the major sports cities in the entire country, which is known for being especially harsh towards their own players? Philadelphia..

    Rollins has said MANY times before how disappointing it is to be playing your tail off all night long and then hear E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!! chants all night.. and they had plenty of them during the last home stand..

  48. Rob O Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    I guess Jimmy don’t have to worry about us being frontrunning fans for long. After tonight we will no longer be frontrunners. If the Phils were a real impressive team (like let’s say the Angels) then I could say Rollins has a right to speak on the fan indifference. But if he is basing his point on the Phils winning the division and being swept in the first round last year as the high point for his frontrunning comment, then he needs to be reminded that the Mets collapse is what secured the Phils berth in the playoffs. Rollins acts like the Phils have been some dominant team, and now that they are struggling the fans are fickle. Dude you got in the playoffs through the back door last year and you probably are not making it back this year, largely in part to the fact our lead off hitter and team leader is neither this year. Lynyrd Skynyrd once penned a song called Sweet Home Alabama. There is a line in the song that rebuts Neil Young and his song called Southern Man. So with all due respect to Lynyrd Skynyrd Jimmy, I would just like to say, ” I hope Jimmy Rollins will remember a Philly fan don’t need him around anyhow.”
    The Jason Donald era may start sooner than you think.

  49. Ed Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I was in Denver a few weeks ago and went to a Rockies game. Cook was pitching against the Nat’s. The Nat’s beat him up. Cook lasted 5 2/3 gave up 6 runs, and about 9 hits (It was a while ago, but these numbers are close). When he was pulled losing 6 to 2 with a few runners on, they cheered. I was shocked. He would have been booed in Philly, and rightfully so. So yeah there are more friendly place to play but at the same time the crowd wasn’t nearly as into the game as they get at the bank. In fact i walked up to the ticket window and bought seats 20 rows behind the home dugout 1 hour before game time, try that in Philly. It works both ways. A city that loves the game and gets really into it is not going to cheer mediocrity.

  50. Griffin Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    but Rollins’s point is that last homestand, they were in first place and there were EAGLES chants all over the ballpark. I’d get sick of that too. Philly fans ARE frontrunners, why is that such a bad thing to say?

    Again, I don’t care what he says, I just want him to produce on the field, and he’s been hugely disappointing. Also, he’s not going anywhere unless the Phils trade him for 40 cents on the dollar (which doesn’t make any sense).

  51. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    But the phildelphia thing is national media spin. new yorkers treat their players like shit 100 percent of the time. but they still go to the games.

    thats the point though isnt it?

    if the players arent playing hard, and the organization isnt doing its best to win, again, with the trainers and the GM and the owners and so forth, then why should the fans waste their hard-earned money at the ballpark?

    we are not obligated to come see this team if the organization is acting like its already won something and is pissing away games with an arrogant malaise (sound like another team you know?). they need to stop acting liek theyre gods, including j-roll, and keep your mouth shut and play baseball.

    who does he think he is? does he think taht if they play like ass and show no EFFORT that the peasant slaves are OBLIGATED to come and worship their masters, the athletes and the police and the government?

    thats not how the real world works jimmy. if you dont perform, people arent going to come. the people in st louis are toolbags OR there isnt anything else to do in st louis. if the politicians screw up our country people dont go to the polls to support them (and they wont go this time, because more than 40% of the people havent voted in forever). thats how it works, man. you want attention? show us.

    to you, jimmy, its your job. treat it like its your job. to everyone else, no matter how much you like baseball. its a sport.

  52. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    the eagles were all over the ballpark because a lot of those fans are toolbags too. what kind of retard, toolbag, asshoel wears other sports gear to a baseball game…assholes.

  53. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Okay JHole lets fix this in the off season…

    Trade Rollins, Howard and Myers to the Giants for Rowand and Lincecum.

    The Phils need to get the cancer out of the locker room and get the veteran leadership of Rowand back in the clubhouse. The Giants can give Howard the payday he wants and the offense they need. And the Phils will finally have a solid 1-2 in the rotation

  54. Gabriel Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    I have had season ticket packages for the last couple of years and J Roll is absolutely right about the fickle phillie phans. And you’re damn right i’m fickle. when i pay money to go to the ballpark i would like to see a competitive team that WANTS to win, not one who luckily gets by with a surprising bullpen or a few dingers. this team has unreal talent but is simply put way too inconsistent. also i have been to the other ‘real fan’ parks and there are lulls in their fans when the team doesn’t perform. however they get loud at key situations. there are times at CBP when i get up to start cheering at a key spot and the fans around me are as anemic as our offense, simply pitiful. so many things good and bad about this squad. poor hamels – the best case of wasted talent – deniro would be pissed (bronx tale)

  55. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    jimmy is going to the dodgers, white sox, angels, padres, cardinals or diamondbacks, blue jays OR red sox.

    myers is going to the indians, tigers, dodgers, cardinals, orioles, red sox, yankees OR rangers.

    howard isnt going anywhere.

    the giats wont take on myers’ contract. maybe the giants will take rollins but they wont give up lincecum or cain or rowand.

  56. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Geoff, you clearly have issues.. I personally try not to compare things in modern-day baseball to PEASANT slaves obligated to worship their masters and the government.. but thats just me.

  57. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    really? because thats obviously what rollins thinks. like we HAVE to come and worship him no matter what he does. the real world doesnt work that way, don.

  58. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    A couple people on here get it…. that its not something new that athletes don’t like being treated like GODS when they win, but treated like SHIT when they lose..Philly fans are THE WORST at that shit… (outside of the Flyers fatihful)..

    This is seriously along the lines of what i’ve been saying for about two weeks to people…

    Your team isn’t going to win everygame.. but a few people on this blog DEMAND A CHAMPIONSHIP right now.. while at the same time, they want to trade the few players that have been responsible for us being a good team the past few years.

  59. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Nobody is saying that you need to go worship him no matter what he does.. but as he’s explained before.. when people boo them and curse at them for making an out, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WINNING GAMES, how bad do you think that sucks… and if they happen to lose like 3 games in a row… FORGET ABOUT IT… then all of a sudden they are the worst players in the history of baseball.

    Rollins has a point, and anyone that can’t see it is ignorant, and probably the ones he’s talking directly about…

    No wonder Free Agents don’t want to come here and play in front of us for 81 games.

  60. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    right, well im one of the flyers faithful. the flyers have a track record to go on, more of one than the phillies at least. people will go down there no matter what. normally, though, the flyers players act like professionals with class.

    who was the last guy to act like this on the flyers? Eric Lindros
    what happened to him? he got run out of town.

    don..all we are asking is that they give their best effort. and this team hasnt given its best effort in weeks. months maybe. when people underperform their ability, and fans know ability when they see it, theyre going to get crushed here. people the perception is: theyre lazy or theyre dogging it etc.

  61. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    don..have you ever been to new york? they do that to the yankees still every game and the mets (who deserve it) every game. no matter what as well. its like that in every city, except the “subdued” peoples of st louis and the midwest. yes they are subdued, too.

  62. Griffin Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Can we stop the love worship of Aaron Rowand? He has 11 HRs and is making a ton of money. We all loved that catch, but let’s not go overboard about how the clubhouse is now “falling apart” and the team all of a sudden doesn’t care about winning.

    Also, this team just isn’t that good. They’re not as good as the Muts. They should hold off the Marlins and win around 87 games. That’s exactly what they were expected to do (Vegas odds) and that’s what they will do.

  63. FatsFox Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    You guys still take Rollins over Reyes?

  64. NJ Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    The problem is this organisation don’t tackle their problems, they sit and hope things will change untill their back is up against the wall, Rollins attitude, Howards approach at the plate, Happ’s role, Myers, Eaton, Burrell’s contract, whether or not to re-sign Rowand, the catcher situation, making a deal for a start and a left handed reliever… The list goes one and the only real clear move the organisation has made this year is deciding not to pursue Lohse after he turned down their initial offer.

    Lets face it Rollins isn’t going to traded and the organisation are going to bury their heads in the sand, I’m not saying it’s the right thing to deal him but how many free passes is he going to get disrespecting the fans and more importantly the game itself? If moneys the issues then why isn’t he making it known, he ‘feels’ shunned by the fans… Come on that just a BSing

  65. Tim Malcolm Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Don – Maybe you’ve been to other big cities, but I know from experience big cities treat their players the same way as we. Big city fans show up when the team is winning and don’t when they’re losing. Look at Boston, New York, even LA.

    The only cities where the fans consistently show and root are in the Midwest, a totally different way of life and frame of mind. Living in a city you expect everything here and now. And Philly fans have gotten next to nothing, so they get more excited when they win, more angry when they lose.

    Is that a problem? Maybe. But Jimmy has to recognize that. And THEN he has to keep his mouth shut about it. No reason to talk about it on national TV. He’s only hurting things. I wouldn’t be surprised if Chase thought the same way about Philadelphians, but he keeps his mouth shut.

  66. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    im not saying that its ok to go overboard at the games. thats not cool. i dont even do that when they deserve it. dont treat them like shit. but dont just sit there and take it either. i usually dont even boo, its a waste of energy. i just leave when the game is over.

  67. Eb Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Don M…who cares if there is an eagles chant? Philly is a sports city, I have been to the bruins areana and heard “Yankees suck chants” You dont here the Bruins complaining.

    If an eagles chant gets under your skin that much, you are way to soft to be a ball player.

    But to tell you the truth I am devestated by these comments from Rollins. I am absolutely speechless at this time.

  68. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    dude, jimmy isnt going to play here next year. if youre mad enough to run your mouth about it in public then hell worm his way out of here.

    chase just wants to play baseball, and tim, youre right, he probly does feel that way but he acts like a professional.

  69. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Its not Rowand worship, he doesnt deserve the money he is getting but people need to realize that home runs does not measure how great a player is. Rowand is batting above .280 he would be leading our team in that aspect. Along with that he was the clubhouse leader once every week he would hold a mandatory BBQ for all players at his house where they would talk to each other and would point out who want working hard enough and what people needed to do. Now we don’t have that, they are not policing themselves anymore and now Charlie has to be the bad guy and the players are revolting against him and Rollins is the perfect example Charlie punished him now he is acting out.

    I would rather pay Rowand his money to hit .287 and his 11 HRs and be a veteran leader than pay Howard 10 Mil to hit .240 strikeout 200 times and hit 33 Hrs.

    Its time for the fans to learn its not all about the longball its time to play some smallball and its becoming a realization that this team cant do that we just cant manufacture runs so therefore we cant win.

  70. the turth hurts Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    so saying “Boo? F*ck you.” on live national tv is professional?

  71. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    what about pat burrell?

    you think he doesnt have a good reason to hate the fans and want to leave? he got CRUSHED here for years. does he cry? no. he puts his head down and plays baseball, and says he wants to stay after all that!

    what a class act.

  72. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Tim, the point is that people are openly looking for reasons to HATE Jimmy Rollins this year.. am I wrong?

    Nothing he said was inaccurate.. and he was asked a question, and he answered it honestly…

    Rollins was here on some BAD teams.. when they didn’t get 20,000 at the Vet.. and now he’s seen the ups and downs of people packing the park and going crazy when they win, and booing like crazy when they lose or strikeout or whatever.

  73. Griffin Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    You’re right that big cities (especially Northeast cities) are more passionate and therefore more prone to booing when they see a lack of effort.

    Aside from that though, I was wondering who was the last legitimate “star” player who played in Philly and didn’t get booed? I’m sure there are some, Dawkins for example, but I don’t think there are many. I could be wrong though…

  74. Gabriel Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    all i wanna know is.. where is the j-roll that proclaimed 100 games this year? was he in the best damn sports show?

  75. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    carlton maybe?

  76. Gabriel Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    i’m not opposed to trading (or flat out cutting) him, average to above average shortstops are a dime a dozen in this leage. replace him with young EAGER talent who have the potential to be consumate professionals (a la chasey)

  77. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Utley is a professional to think a baseball player would curse is ridiculous, he obviously didnt know that there was a mic on him and that it was on. Utley is a true Philly he gets into the rivalry and cares about the game. I dont see him walking to first of pop ups and showing up late to the stadium. He is never satisfied and is always working to get better. While Rollins and Howard are taking there media tours the rest of the team is practicing. Maybe Howard should take some defense drills so he can throw to second like a real first baseman

  78. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    exactly, gabriel. look at the top group of shortstops in each league. theyre all just about as good as each other defensively. as long as you have an above average shortstop defensively youre not in bad shape. its nice to get big offensive production from them though as well. that always helps.

  79. That Guy Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    the day Jimmy Rollins sees 15 pitches in a game is the same day Dave Montgomery opens up the pocket book for Sabathia

  80. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Chase Utley agreed to wear a mic… so “he didn’t know there was a mic on him and that it was on” is pretty dumb..

    and he’s been awesome all year, but didn’t he hit 0-for the series when we went to NewYork last time??

    He’s not a god by any means.. Rollins is definitely not hustling like he did last year… but he’s still cheap ($8 Million a year?) and he plays great defense.. he’s underpaid and a good shortstop, regardless of how much everyone hates him this year

  81. Dennis Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Don M, you’re an ass! The fact that you can jusitfy this guy being a flat out idiot is just plain stupid. I don’t care if there is any truth to it or not, fact is the fans pay your salary so you can take you .260 average and go play somewhere else. Maybe he can go home and play in Oakland cause the fans there are great I here!

  82. Tim Malcolm Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Well, there are reasons to at least dislike his personality. And they’ve come out this year because of his stature and prominence. Would I say openly looking for reasons? He’s been inconsistent, he’s been called out for not hustling, he showed up late to a game, he calls fans not entirely supportive. He’s given us reasons.

    It’s true that nothing he said was inaccurate, but he has to realize that’s what sports is. When a team is poor, fans don’t come. It is a business, like anything else. And you’d think Jimmy would know not to express his problems with it on national TV. It’s just not the right place. Moreover, by comparing us to Saint Louis, he’s comparing us to the exception, not the rule.

  83. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    well then, slave, you can go to your pat gillick, jimmy rollins shrine and pray to your gods.

  84. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Utley hasn’t been booed yet to my knowledge. He didn’t get booed during his 0fer 24. He got a huge standing ovation when he hit the double to end it.

  85. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Don he is underpaid? He has the third highest salary on the team and would have been second if Howard didnt win his arbitration. Rollins is not what he was last year, he is extremely average and doesnt even deserve the 8 mil. Last time I checked getting 8 mll a year isnt underpaid unless you play for the Yanks, Soxs of Mets.

    I am not saying Utley is god but he goes out and plays everyday and I cant say that about JRoll he rips that fans then goes 0-5 in the next game he plays? Last year was the year of his life now hes rolling down the hill and I wont be surprised if he is out of the league in 3 years

  86. Gabriel Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    well i just hope that with all the sellouts of CBP this year the front office will dip into their pockets a little deeper in the near future. when’s the last time a team won with only home grown ‘b’ level guys?

  87. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    right on tim.

  88. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:13 am

    The Phils doesnt have support? they have 14 consecutive sellouts and will break the attendance record this year if they keep at the same pace.. When Rollins deliveries we will cheer, I remember chanting MVP at the end of last season and the beginning of this season and now he wore out that and expects to get cheered for what? His singles? He cant bunt, he cant get walks, hes not performing take him onto any other team and see what happens he will be booed, Arod gets booed all the time and he is the most overpaid player in the world. When you get paid to play sports and the fans pay to watch you play every night we expect your best every time… When you cant run to first or get to the stadium on time its a slap in the face to the fan who came to watch you perform. If you cant handle the heat get out the kitchen Jimmy

  89. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:13 am

    I knew Don M was going to back up Rollins. I’m selling my Jimmy Rollins jersey. Anyone interested?

  90. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Hey Phil I need to start a fire i front of my Gillick shrine how much for the jersey?

  91. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    I was in New York last year during October. I was at a restaurant and they had the game on. Everytime A-Rod came up to bat the whole entire restaurant started to boo. I don’t think that would happen in Philly.

  92. Gabriel Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    i think jimmy is a front runner for himself! when everything was all gravy last year the only thing on comcast was that gap in his teeth! now that we are starting to crumble (ha still in first place) … when is the last time j roll smiled on the field?

  93. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Oh to add to my story, I then said, why do you hate A-Rod? He’s the main reason you’re in the playoffs and they then proceeded to call me a Mets fan and ask me how the collapse was.

  94. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Look at what Rollins is doing to the clubhouse, Howard just sat there next to him and agreed to everything Rollins said. He is tearing apart the locker room. Last year he was the team leader this year its all about him. Put him on the DL for having diarrhea of the mouth and put Howard on the DL for bad eyesight did anyone see that 3 pitch strikeout in the 9th last night, horrendous

  95. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    good sttory phil, thats so NY

  96. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    A very good defenseive SS, that is hitting .272 (after an 0-5) with 30 steals…

    I will take that on my team EVERY YEAR.

    I’m not defending Jimmy Rollins cause I think he plays hard this year (he doesn’t).. but I am agreeing with what he said yesterday.. that when they are playing good, the fans are on their side.. when they doing bad, we’re completely against them.

    If that somehow means I have a shrine to Rollins and Gillick…???

    If people would turn off 610wip for 5 minutes and think about what Rollins said, and how everyone in history has said that about Philly fans before, maybe people would stop taking it so personally..

  97. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    You know what Chase Utley said about Phillies fans? He said we’re the most passionate sports city in the country and there is nowhere he’d rather play. He said he wants to retire with this team. Do you know what Mike Schmidt said about the Phillies? He said even I’ve been booed, but I know those boos mean I’m not doing my job and I have to try harder. Don’t give me that shit. Stop making excuses for that asshole.

  98. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    610 WIP is trash. i refuse to listen to their weekday programming.

  99. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Don have you ever been in other citites? We are passionate fans like those in NY and Boston they boo us just as much as we do. He is not a very good defensive SS he is an average defensive SS that was supposed to make up for that with his offense which this year is not here. I understand what he said but the fact is that you dont say things that in the national media. You dont rip your home fans if you feel that way keep it to yourself and we will cheer for you once you break out of your year long slump. Last time i checked Nationals fans arent cheering for them for being the worst team in the league, we cheer when we win and boo when we lose thats what sports fans do and if you cant handle it then maybe you should play professional sports

  100. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    everyones making the switch to espn 950 anyway. wip is only like for people that think the eagles are the greatest team ever, yet somehow do the bidding of angelo cataldi and howard eskin. if they got rid of those two the station would greatly improve and be more appropriate.

  101. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Don M, I’m sure you’ll buy my Rollins jersey. You sound like you’re a Mets fan pretending to be a Phillies fans to start fights.

    I said this earlier in the thread. I bought my Rollins jersey 5 years ago. I bought it because he was my favorite player. I’d go to the vet and cheer for him with noone there. What he said insulted me. Whether what he said was true or not(it’s true for a lot of these douche bag college kids that go to Phillies games to get drunk) you don’t say it becasue it’s isolating the real fans.

  102. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    yeah hes gotta be smarter. the real fans are always going to be there. i remember taking the train into phildelphia in high school and walking up to the window 5 minutes before gametime and buying a 700 level seat at the vet for like no more than 10 bucks. you could immeditely walk down to the first level and get a seat very close to the action, usually in the first 20 rows. noone was there at all. and theyd be horrible, get pounded by barry bonds with the pirates or barry bonds early giants-era. youd take the walk around to left field just to harass barry bonds and get on his case. make fun of his shoes when hes standing right in front of you and turn around and laughs because noones there and he can hear you.

    definitely have some fond memories of that time, even though they sucked.

  103. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Bonds left the Pirates well after the time you got out of high school.

    Has anyone been to Jimmy Rollins website? What a tool. He is so self-centered.

    http://jimmyrollins.com/

  104. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    I have been to other cities.. its nice to travel..

    Jimmy Rollins “is not a very good defensive SS, he is an average defensive SS” Good arguement there.. no point in talking about it..

    If nobody wants to see the logic behind what Rollins said… I’ll gladly step aside and let you all continue to agree with each other about how Philly fans are always so supportive of their athletes, win or lose..

    Just do me one favor…take out the word “front-runners” from Rollins answer, and tell me that you don’t agree with him.

    “You know, when you’re doing good, they’re on your side. When you’re doing bad they’re completely …”

    Instead of talking about that quote, its just turned into coming up with weak arguements that he isn’t a good player..

  105. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Yeah, I think my theory on Don M being a Mets fan is right.

  106. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Phil, real fans should know exactly what he is talking about… the Phillies this year are the hottest ticket in town because they won the NL East last year, and the Eagles aren’t favored to win the SuperBowl..

    Last year.. end of the season series vs. the Braves… THOSE GAMES WEREN’T SOLD OUT… they got like 38,000…. but then the final series against the Nationals was..and then people went crazy going into this year..

    Im not sure how constantly defending my team, and generally giving solid reasoning behind my opinions makes me a Mets fan?? I always thought it makes me sound like a Phillies fan that prefers to stay positive instead of knock this team every chance I get…

    Like you said.. all those drunk college kids and stuff… he has a point.. thats all im saying.. I don’t want to see him traded because he’s one of the best SS in baseball, and I knew that his comment (even though TRUE) would set people off today.. when real fans know exactly what he’s talking about.

  107. Tim Malcolm Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    I think the trade talk is a little ridiculous. Although it seems with most posts I make here, some posters decide to talk about trades.

  108. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Amen.. I admit that I go to the extreme of defending the team maybe even more than I really believe.. but it is usually simply to attempt to counter fans (mainly Geoff) and the craziness that calls for “blowing up the team” every time they lose a game or a series..

    Like my point from earlier:
    “Your team isn’t going to win everygame.. but a few people on this blog DEMAND A CHAMPIONSHIP right now.. while at the same time, they want to trade the few players that have been responsible for us being a good team the past few years.”

    GEOFF… you will like this one.. Daily News from Rich Hofmann, Eagles training camp attendence down about 50% (what about all those #1 Eagles fans that BLEED GREEN??).. its a short article, hits home

    http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/top_sports/20080814_Rich_Hofmann__Eagles_fans_apparently_aren_t_ready_for_football_yet.html

  109. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    yeah i blended two stories together. bonds left the pirates after their run in 1992 i think. i went down there A LOT because it was so cheap.

  110. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Do you really think Rollins is one of the best SS in the game? Take off your home team blinders and look around the league there are plenty of SS’s that put up better numbers than he does on normal years. Last year was a career year and he will never get those number again stop kidding yourself he is an above average SS but he is NOT one of the best in the game

  111. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    well it doesnt, because i was never and will never be an eagles fan. i grew up with the flyers and the phillies. im a fan of people like westbrook and some of their players, but never of the organization as a whole.

    so if i ever start saying how great the eagles are i expect to be called out, but i dont think youll ever hear that out of me.

  112. Jeff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    I am a huge Phillies fan. I am so tired of these athletes. I love Utley because he does his job and shuts his mouth. Rollins put the knife through me with those comments. We got behind him last year and now this. We spend our hard earned money to watch these games. He should kiss our butts. He has been terrible this year and I am tired of it. Ship him and Howards 150ks out of town. We dont need them.

  113. lilgartrn Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    TRADE HIM….. Meanwhile – I was at opening day this year, and I believe this nutjob received chants of encouragement for his MVP by default from last year, so I think he needs to shut his trap….. Can’t stand it when someone playing like they’re in an offensive coma has the right to complain about his fans, when we’re still showing up at games and putting money in his and the organization’s pocket…. I’m supporting this team win or lose, but it does not mean I’m going to whistle a happy tune when they’re playing like crap…

  114. Tim Malcolm Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    At MetsBlog, Matt Cerrone says he agrees with Rollins, opening the door for his posters to call us scumbags. How original.

    I agree with Rollins as well, because he has his point, and it’s vaild. But the fact that he says it is what irritates me as a fan. That he would paint with such a broad brush. That he would unleash these comments in the middle of a season where an underperforming team is losing its grip on first place and the hearts of their fans. It’s foolish.

  115. mg52 Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    It is a good thing that the Phils drafted a shortstop this year in the first round. He may be seeing some big league action sooner than expected if this nonsense continues.

  116. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    right on PtheBLovesTheBallGirls. hes one of the better defensive shortstops, no doubt, but still, the top half of them in baseball are all about the same. just look at the defensive numbers. theyre all bunched together.

  117. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Short stops in mlb as good or better than Jimmy.
    1. Jeter
    2. Young
    3. Hanley
    4. Reyes
    5. Escobar
    6. Theriot
    7. Tejada
    8. Wilson
    9. Hardy
    10. Furcal
    11. Tulowitzki
    12. Drew

    That’s more than 1/3

  118. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    thats right on phil. there all about the same defensively and some of them are better all aorund players. like hanley.

  119. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Oh shit. I forgot Guzman

  120. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Hanley is worse defensively though.

  121. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    yeah but is it by enough to offset the other abilities he brings?

  122. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Not at all. Haley is the best short stop in baseball.

  123. Phillyfansarepathetic Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Thank you Jimmy! This is what Philly needs. They need to calm down and stop being such jerks to other fans and players. No teams or fans respect the Philadelphia fans. Who can respect people who whine, bitch and fight constantly.

  124. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Hey guys what do you think og McNabb and the eagles? Do you think Jaws should come and hang out with them? Talk about life and angles and things like that? Hey do you guys belive in angles?

  125. Eb Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    I agree with Tim. Also does anyone think this could also be about money??? 7 for $49 million is cheap

  126. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    You posted that on another thread Don M. This is a Phillies board not an Eagles board. I hate football. Shut up.

  127. Doug Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    I see both sides of this issue. Rollins won an MVP, and everybody goes through slumps and bad years and needs to be given time to work it out without the fans calling for their heads. After winning an MVP, he needs to be cut even more slack than normal. That said, I’m much more inclined to cut a guy slack if he’s putting forth effort without results than if he’s clearly just not putting forth the same effort, hustle, and persistance that clearly made his previous season what it was.

    We Philly fans are a bit harsh, and we are a little quick on the trigger finger when an athlete’s performance begins to degrade. But, that’s what we’ve been conditioned to do. Find me another city that’s been so scorned by its former athletes…TO, Lindros, Rolen, etc. Find me another city that has such reason to lose hope. The Detroit Lions are consistently TERRIBLE, but Detroit has the Pistons and Red Wings to look forward to. The Pittsburgh Pirates haven’t been good in years, but the Steelers just won the Superbowl 2 years ago. The L.A. Clippers were the perennial joke of the NBA, but L.A…..well, they’ve got plenty to cheer for.

    Deep down, we all knew that Rollins would turn on us. All of our athletes do. It’s a downward spiral by which our athletes turn on us, we get more bitter from it, and our bitterness gets taken out on the athletes when they underperform. All we want is a championship, and like several folks have pointed out on here, if Rollins (or any other) sticks with us and wins a championship, they will be immortalized in Philadelphia. Currently, all we have to cheer for is a fictional boxer…at least he was a champ!

  128. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Hey guys do you think we need a power WR like TO? What do you think about trading for Randy Moss of Kyle Clerk? I think we need a better run game Westbrook is going to get hurt and Jaws can not even run anymore

  129. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Jaws wants out of ESPN, he wants back in an eagles uniform theyt are nicer then the ones he wore right guys?

  130. Chase Mutley Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    >> At MetsBlog, Matt Cerrone says he agrees with Rollins, opening the door for his posters to call us scumbags. How original.

    Did he not watch his team play the first half of the year? Mets fans were totally level headed; didn’t jump off the bandwagon at all. No one booed.

    One of my favorite baseball moments, Billy Wagner spends an entire off season bitching about the Phillies’ fans. Signs with the Mets. First game, blown save, the boos rain down from the heavens.

  131. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    don m is definitely some bottom–feeding phony mets fan, probably likes the giants, might be a NY transplant.

  132. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    haha Doug…that little addition to Rocky at the end was incredible.

  133. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Hey listen buddy go talk mets baseball somewhere else this is eagles talk and jaws and McNabb

  134. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    I agree Geoff.

  135. lilgartrn Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Matt Cerone is clearly taking some nice drugs, which I would love to try… His blog is the measuring stick for fans who love to rip on their team… Must be a slow Mets news day

  136. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Oh god…I am going through my closet and I have one thing to wear. My Rollins jersey. What a horrible day to be wearing that shit. Oh yeah, that’s how much Phillies pride I am. I wear my jersey out all the time, most fans just have it hanging in their closet for a game.

  137. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Jeter, Young, Hanley Ramirez

    are HANDS DOWN BETTER THAN JIMMY ROLLINS..

    the rest aren’t..

    Furcal (10 pts higher carrer batting Avg, worse fielder),
    Hardy (lower Avg. and worse fielder),
    Jack Wilson (lower Avg. and worse fielder)
    Escobar this year is hitting .281 with 12 errors compared to Rollins’ 5 errors..
    Tulo was GREAT last year, but has a .237 avg this year, and 6 errors in 61 games..
    Stephen Drew (lower career Avg and worse fielding percentage)

    some of those guys migh be better than Rollins in a few years.. Escobar, Tulo, Drew.. but they aren’t yet.. so Rollins is still among the top SS in baseball..

  138. Rick Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    J-Roll may not be having a stellar year with the bat, but his glove-work has been pretty impeccable. He had the highest fielding percentage of any NL shortstop last time I checked a couple days ago. If he continues this way, he will win another gold glove this year.

    I among many others seem to forget this at times especially after the expectations he created with his MVP season hitting.

  139. Darren Daulton Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    I played in Philly and the fans were terrible. However, after being abducted by aliens and traveling to meet with the Greek Gods, I have come to forgive Philadelphia fans. They do not know better, for it instilled in young children that being obnoxious is acceptable.

  140. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    to Don M #2.. I wish I had that much to say about Jaws..and ESPN all the time.. you’re pretty cool, and original..

    sometimes when people comment under other people’s names its funny… sometimes.. as above, its not.. at least be original and make us laugh

  141. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    yeah i hate that. people that do that are wastes..

  142. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Thats why I suggested to Tim before that people should have to be registered or have only 1 name they can post under.. It seems to be the same things about me asking how the Eagles will do… and Geoff doesn’t spell his name with the letter J.. maybe funny the first time, but not the 20th..

  143. Frank Gruber Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    I’m a diehard Phillies fan who was 12 in 1964 but who has lived in L.A. for my adult life. I’m going to the game tonight and I hope Myers has the stuff. I always defend Phillies fans because they’re knowledgeable and because at least when I was a kid they always applauded an opposing pitcher who was pitching a good game when he came to bat. The boos go with the territory — pros like Rollins should understand that, and most players – including Jimmy at other times – say that they like to play for fans who pay attention.

    But Phila fans should wonder about something — is it a coincidence that they’ve gone 25 years w/o a championship and they are the most critical fans? The fans say they have a right to boo because the teams lose, but maybe there’s a connection. You notice it from 3,000 miles away — the negativity that comes out of Philadelphia is pretty depressing.

  144. Georgie Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I agree with a previous post that perhaps Jimmy thinks he should be given a pass this year because of his MVP status last year. Let’s see how this would play out in other professions-Surgeon to patient:”Sorry I replaced the wrong knee, but my last 20 surgeries went really well, so could you cut me some slack?” Or lawyer to client:”I won my last several cases, thought that would carry me thru yours, sorry.” Or my husband, an optician, could explain to a patient that even though they can’t see out of their new glasses, the last 50 patients were really pleased, so give me a standing ovation and get out of my face.

  145. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    frank..i think theres some kind of intangible connection there. i noticed it when i was away. as soon as one bad thing happens in the game the crowd negatively buzzes and you can feel it start to build up. sometimes it goes away but sometimes they keep doing it and it causes the team to meltdown in the span of an inning.

    people also will go out and be like: theyre going to lose tonight. my dad does that. with the flyers, every single playoff game, EVERY SINGLE ONE, he said: theyre gonna lose tonight. and i kept saying: shut the fuck up, theyre better than this team, theyre going to win.

    the difference, i feel, is that when you know theyre better than the teams theyre playing you feel confident that theyll win. when you start saying theyll lose it annoys people because nobody wants to hear that before the event happens.

    with the phillies, i feel that they are actually simply not as good as a lot of these teams. theyre underachieving, yes, but they just cant compete with a team like the dodgers or the AL teams consistently enough.

    the negative magic also has the ability to turn a good team into a “choking” team. causing them to play uncharacteristicallly bad. weve seen that before.

    i still maintain though, that my approach is meant to focus solely on the organizations ability to put the best team on the field/ice/court every year. if i feel like thayve dont the best they can to put the best team out there, and that team STILL falls short then i wont really be mad at them. see the flyers of last season. they did all they could to assemble a top-notch team, thats fine. build on that.

    with the phillies and especially the trash eagles, i always get the impression that the organization and the players are not doing the best they can to put a top-notch team on the field. when i see that, im going to call them out on it and say theyre not good enough because its obvious.

    if i think therye good enough, ill say it and let it be known at each step of the way as i did with the flyers this past season. if not, then i wont.

    there is some kind of negative magic thinkg that drags the teams down, though, to a certain extent. but if you put a good enough team out there it wont matter and theyll overcome it.

  146. KM Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    jimmy rollins,

    we cheer when you do well, and we boo when you do poorly. if we didn’t boo you when you played bad, that would show we didn’t care. we boo, but we still continue to support the team by buying tickets, purchasing jerseys, showing up to phillies events, etc.

    jimmy, you better get your head on straight, and pick up your game before you generalize the entire phillies fanbase.

    also, i agree with frank gruber. we have gone through 100 combined seasons with no championships, so i think we have the right to boo anybody we want. i can’t blame you for putting a product on the field that doesn’t have what it takes to win a championship, this or any other year, but u are a professional, so act like one – run out balls, show up on time, and keep your big mouth shut.

  147. KM Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Geoff, you stated it perfectly:

    “with the phillies and especially the trash eagles, i always get the impression that the organization and the players are not doing the best they can to put a top-notch team on the field. when i see that, im going to call them out on it and say theyre not good enough because its obvious.

    if i think therye good enough, ill say it and let it be known at each step of the way as i did with the flyers this past season. if not, then i wont.

    there is some kind of negative magic thinkg that drags the teams down, though, to a certain extent. but if you put a good enough team out there it wont matter and theyll overcome it.”

    exactly my thoughts

  148. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    werd

  149. Alex Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    He’s starting to really annoy me. He doesn’t run ground balls out anymore. He shows up late for a game and then whines about being benched for breaking one of only TWO of the manager’s rules. Suck it up, be a man, and play the damn game for which you are being payed millions. If I put down 40 of my hard-earned dollars for a ticket, I expect to see all-out effort, ALL of the time. Not just when you feel like hustling. Rollins and Howard are starting to get under a lot of people’s skin. I can’t wait to see the response next Tuesday at 7 pm when Dan Baker introduces J-Stroll. (I wonder if the Rangers would be interested in a Jimmy Rollins for Michael Young swap this off-season? Hmm.)

  150. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    like the sixers, even though i dont like the nba, and dont pay much attention, went out of their way to spend all they can afford to spend to keep lou williams, iguodala, and bring in elton brand. that tells your fans that youre making a commitment to do everything you can to win.

  151. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    what about the dodgers? nomar and furcal are going to walk. maybe we can pry one of ethier or kemp away from them somehow…maybe you can get hardy from the brewers and move him or donald to 3rd. maybe you can do a j-roll for conor jackson swap straight up…i dunno. wishful, but there are some options out there.

  152. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    I thought by having their own players be consistant this year they were trying to win.. we’ve said this before, but which players that were Free Agents this year should they have brought-in during the off-season.

    When the year started, did anyone have any doubts that they would make it to the playoffs this year??

    Again, its so much easier to look back and complain.. but they have definitely been trying to win the past few seasons.

  153. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    it is more about giving the fans the PERCEPTION that youre doing all you can do to win…but usually you have to do it to gain their trust…

  154. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    The Flyers attendance went down in 2006 too when they struggled… but last year they brought it some young, exciting player.. and you have to give this group a few years before you say that they need to be broken-down and try again..

    If they fail to make the playoffs this year.. then some changes need to be made.. but changes by addition, not subtraction..

  155. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    The Dodgers would be FOOLS to give away Kemp.. he’s a great talent.. Donald probably can’t play 3rd, or they would have played him there some this season to test him.

    Hardy is not consistent at all.. he isn’t a better SS than Rollins as much as people want to believe he is better, he just isn’t..

    I would love to see a Connor Jackson and a pitcher for Howard and a prospect.. but I don’t think that is going to happen anytime soon..

  156. Adam Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    simple case of “the grass is always greener on the other side”. i really think philly gets more crticism than is due. what jimmy isnt understanding is a-rod got booed in ny every at bat for an entire season and all he did was hit .290 with 120+ rbis. carlos delgado was getting booed every at bat up to his recent hot streak. when you play in a city where there is a large fan base that cares about the team immensely this is what happens. youre booed when you dont perform up to what the fans think youre able to. i dont think its unfair to boo jimmy right now. he hasnt been playing good baseball this season compared to what weve seen from him before. if your not helping the team win then youre helping them lose. i stated 2 weeks ago that i would like to trade jimmy in the offseason and i am restating my case. the premadonna attitude has taken over and our “leader” is not taking the “team” bus to the game but driving himself there, late. its unfair to reveal these antics in the public eye and then complain when youre underperforming that the fans are too hard on players. for 7.5 mill, use those boos to motivate you to play better and turn them into mvp chants again.

  157. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Well said Adam.

    This team needs to be blown up. Keep the following players:

    Utley
    Coste(back up catcher for Marson next year)
    Werth
    Victorino
    Burrell(move him to 1B)
    Hamels
    Moyer
    Blanton
    Kendrick(expendable)
    Durbin
    Romero
    Lidge
    Madson

    Trade everyone away and get a corner outfielder, a lefty that can hit the ball to platoon with Werth, some bullpen help(a real set up man), a 3B, and sign Sheets/Sabathia during the off season. Bring Donald up to play SS and Marson up to be your starting catcher. Make your rotation be:

    Sheets/Sabathia
    Hamels
    Blanton
    Moyer
    Kendrick/Happ/Carrasco let them fight it out for the 5th spot on the roster. Kendrick might actually have a lot of trade value.

    I don’t care if they make the playoffs or not, get rid of Howard and Rollins even if they do make the post season.

  158. Frank Gruber Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Trade Jimmy? This is an example of the negativity I was talking about. Trade one of the best shortstops in baseball, who is locked up for several more years on a favorable contract, because he’s having year less good than an MVP year, and in a year when he was injured and is clearly playing a little hurt? (Having said that, I wonder if Jimmy is having some personal problems this year — there are just some things he’s done that make we worry about him.)

    I agree with the other posts that teams and players get booed everywhere (I’ve even heard boos in St. Louis, and look how Rolen fouled his nest there), and attendance is always higher when teams do well, but, again, from 3000 miles away I have to say that when people look at Philly, it’s not only the teams that are considered “losers,” but the fans. It’s quite a reputation. (I like the phrase, “negative magic.”) Let’s put in this way – it’s good that there is the Phanatic.

  159. Frank Gruber Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Oh and I just read the next post that says to trade Howard, too. Let’s just shoot ourselves and make ourselves happy.

  160. J-Man Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Trade Rollins to Toronto for Roy Halladay…They’ve been looking for SS and we need a pitcher…I know we’ll have to give up more than Rollins for Halladay,but it’s obvious now Rollins days are numbered.

  161. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    1. Victorino
    2. Werth
    3. Utley
    4. Burrell (to a new contract)
    5. the new 3b/OF
    6. the new 3b/OF
    7. Lou Marson
    8. Jason Donald
    9. pitcher

    Is that really a smart move to get rid of Howard and Rollins? Maybe that fag that keeps posting under my name about the Eagles wants to know if Jaws can play OF..

  162. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Fran Gruber, I don’t care if he’s the best short stop in baseball, and I don’t care if Howard is the best home run hitter in baseball, get them the fuck off this team. They are cancers. They only care about themselves. I want a player that wants to play for the Phillies. Victorino, Utley, and Burrell are prime examples of that.

  163. Georgie Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    People from other cities who blast the Phila. fans for their negativity crack me up! Are you kidding me? How are you expected to keep a positive attitude when we haven’t had a winner in 25 years? In any of the 4 franchises? The odds are in our favor, but i learned a long time ago to ignore the odds when it comes to our sports teams. Unless you’re on some sort of happy medication how can you possibly be positive all the time and just say, “wait til next year”?

  164. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Yes Don M. Read my last post.

  165. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Actually fuck it, sign Burrell to play LF and sign Teixera to play 1B.

  166. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Yea but Phil.. do you want a Championship..or do you just want players that want to play in Philadelphia??

    Choosing one or the other, i’d take the more explosive lineup that has experience to give me a better chance to win something

  167. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    That would win a world series.. Tex is the best player nobody knows about.. Texas to Atlanta…. if he played in NY he’d have multiple campaigns going for him

  168. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I want a world series, but we can’t win a world series. This line up isn’t explosive, are you fucking serious?

  169. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    1. Victorino
    2. Donald/Marson(whoever gets on base more)
    3. Utley
    4. Teixera
    5. Burrell
    6. Werth/new OF
    7. 3B
    8. Donald/Marson(whoever gets on base less)
    9. pitcher

  170. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    twice this week, they scored 6 runs and lost… It “more explosive” than a lineup without them, and consisting of Marson, Donald, and player-to-be-named..

    IF, IF, IF you could really get Tex it would be awesome, but you know they won’t cause they aren’t the Yankees.. Marson will probably get time next year, but Donald probably won’t…

  171. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Phil… are you really posting on the other page, or is someone trying too hard to be funny using your name too?

  172. Frank Gruber Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Rollins and Howard — just care for themselves, don’t care for the team. All their teammates say the opposite, but the fans speak. My memory goes back to Richie Allen. Is there a connection here? Are there any black superstars you can handle?

  173. Frank Gruber Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    And yes, that’s a reason the Philly teams are habitual losers.

  174. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    id tend to keep howard and burrell. i dont want to breakup that power combo. keep vitorino and utley. the rest of the lineup can get moved out.

  175. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    No Geoff, get that fucking douchebag off of this team. He could have told Rollins to stop, but instead he nodded his head. Teixera is better than Howard anyway. He’d hit 40 homers in this park and although he may not drive in 140 RBI’s he’d drive in 120 and have more runs scored because he’d actually get on base. He’d also save those 20 RBI’s with his glove.

  176. Darren Daulton Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Hey Georgie. You and Geofforey should get together for the gayest names in Philly. Seriously though, maybe the reason your teams lose is because (1) there is no real fan support and (2) players don’t want to deal with the crap the fans put out there.

  177. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Darren Daulton was cool in the early 90s.. and then again when he talked about space travel and all.. but before he started trying too making fun of other people.

  178. Tyler Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    How does it feel that Jimmy Rollins took some time out of his day to call all of you guys front-runners?

  179. Rob Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Bottom line… you do not talk shit on your own fans. Period. No matter what they say or what the circumstances are. You do not talk shit on your own fans.

  180. Bert Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Send Rollins and Howard to St. Louis and amke them happy for Pujols and Ankiel we have Donald to come up and take over short and Ankiel could solve our right field problem, also bring up Marson because Ruiz is basically an automatic out even though they like the way he controls the game i don’t see why that can’t be taught where as you can’t teach Ruiz to have more talent with a bat

  181. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    He’ll get booed for it when they come home… then he’ll hit a HomeRun, or make a WebGem.. and people will cheer again…

  182. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    No Don M…Rollins will not get off that easy at all. He fucked up big time. Are you serious Bert? We’d have to trade them Utley, Howard, and Rollins to get Pujols and Ankiel.

  183. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    i dont want ankiel (roids).

    send rollins to arizona for conor jackson (hell hit 40 hr in CBP, maybe more)

  184. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    then go out on the market and get another .300 hitter, somewhere, somehow

  185. Bert Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    it would work well for them Isturiz offense is not strong and rollins would be a major upgrade, they have a kid Jon Jay who looks like a great prospect ready to come up in the outfield so up to this point they would really be making out yeah maybe Pujols is a stretch but you never know a mean Pujols has 9 less home runs and 27 less RBI’s but a much better BA

  186. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    when in doubt and you need prospects….go for a pitcher, and outfielder, and an infielder as the package.

  187. Jefrrey Olivo Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    SHUT UP JIMMY. jUST TAKE THAT BIG HOLE YOU CALL A MOUTH AND SHUT YOUR LITTLE MORON FACE. SEE YOU AT THE NEXT HOME GAME YOU PUNK

  188. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Comparing Pujols to Howard is like comparing Magic Hat to PBR.

  189. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    haha. magic hat # 9 is awesome…

  190. Bert Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Personally i would like to see them both stay and get their acts together but i’m thinking more worst case scenario and looking at what teams could use a SS and have something good enough to give up and be able to replace them

  191. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    howards not going anywhere, trust me. not for a while.

    rollins is DEFINITELY gone before next year, so is brett myers.

  192. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Get rid of Howard too and sign Teixera. I bet you could get Teixera for much cheaper than Howard.

  193. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Trade Rollins to the Rays for Longoria.

  194. Jeffrey Olivo Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Jimmy Rollins is a piece of …. how dare a little moron like that embarrass phillies fans on a national TV show. Rollins you just made a HUGE mistake you PUNK

  195. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    No possible chance that you can sign Tex for less than Ryan Howard.. no chance..

  196. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Yes there is. Howard wants A-Rod money. Tex you can get for 7 years $100,000,000. That’s a lot less than what Howard wants.

  197. Bert Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Longoria was another player I looked at but I think he has too much upside for the Rays to get rid of

  198. Phil Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    True. They also have a really good SS prospect waiting in the wings.

  199. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    phil…if the phillies called and offered rollins and even mentioned a name that sounded like longoria, id immediately hang up the phone. i think taht would lefitimately set their franchise back 10 years. id take tex over howard for sure. hes like 27 and hes a monster. he plays good defense…it would be ballsy for sure.

  200. Don M Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Nobody is going to pay Howard the kind of money he wants though.. if you and I can clearly see that Tex is a much better all-around player than Ryan Howard.. so can every team in baseball…

    I’m willing to bet that Tex gets something around what Soriano got.. 8 years, and $136.

    Tex has a slightly higher career avg.. almost as many RBIs in about 300 fewer games.. and is a sure thing GoldGlove at firstbase.. and I think Boras is his agent.. he’ll get BANK

  201. Geoff Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    exactly. thats why the phillies wont trade howard. they know that itll take him a afew year,s but by the time hes a free agent hell realize he wont be able get A-rod money. so by then hell either be ready to negotiate or esaier to move.

  202. BeatWitUgglaStick Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    what makes you think Howard wants A-Rod money? Howard is pretty stuipd if he thinks anyone will pay him A-Rod money considering A-Rod bats over 300, steals and runs the bases very well, plays much better def then Ryan … oh yes and does not strike out over 200 times a year … Howard hits HR that is it

  203. BeatWitUgglaStick Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    The Phillies should trade Jimmy in the off-season …. if he does not want to be here then get rid of him like the sox’s did with Manny. I do not boo players who give me there best effort every time they show up to the ball park but Jimmy has not done that this year.

  204. jim Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Bobby Wine, Dick Groat, Roberto Pena, Don Money (1st yr), Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus, Luis Aguayo, Julio Franco, Steve Jeltz, Tom Foley, Dickie Thon, Kim Batiste, Juan Bell, Kevin Stocker, Mariano Duncan, Desi Relaford, Alex Arias, Thomas Perez, and a few others I probably forgot. These are the shortstops I’ve rooted for since 1962, when I wasn’t too bust being a front runner fan.

    Who’s name is missing????

    Oh….Jimmy Rollins. Hey Jimmy, you can kiss my fron trunning ASS!!!

  205. Darren Daulton Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Maybe Jimmy Rollins has a point. Look at how you guys are reacting. You expect so much from a game. Players do not want to play for fans like that. I was recently talking to my good buddy, Alf, and he agreed. Rollins statements, the media’s perception of Philly and the lack of free agents in Philly are not a coincidence. Put simply, Philadelphia is not a fun place to play.

  206. jim Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Hey Darren,

    Fun or not, can Jimmy earn MILLIONS of dollars every year? Who pays?? WE DO. We deserve at least a little respect!!!

  207. BIll R. Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    I love seeing people call Jose Reyes a selfish punk. Absolutely hilarious.

  208. Georgie Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    hey , Darren Daulton, Georgie is a girl’s name , you dumbass.

  209. Tyler Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

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  210. Doug Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Why does everyone want to get rid of Howard? His defense has been pretty horrendous, but really, how many games has his defense lost? How many games has his bat either won or helped to win?

    I’m all for some changes in Howard’s game…making defenses play him honestly rather than letting them beat him with the shift, working w/ Milt or whomever to develop a 2-strike, contact-hitting swing to cut down on strikeouts, etc. But, why trade him? He’s arguably the 3rd or 4th best player on this team, 2nd or 3rd best position player.

    The only reason to move him would be if someone else valued him more highly than we do. If we know he hits 130-150 RBIs but strikes out 180-200 times per season, so does everyone else? I haven’t seen anything to suggest that he’s a “clubhouse cancer” other than his nodding with Jimmy’s comments last night…which doesn’t say much, really. He’s a competitor. There’s no asymmetry of information that would allow us to get any more for him in a trade than from him in a hold. He’s fun to watch. If everyone is really that concerned with his strikeouts, the alternative would be to move him down the order a spot or two as to not kill rallies…not trade him.

    We really do have the most promising young core of players here in Philly (Utley, Howard, Hamels), and any success in the future is going to come from those three plus any additions/callups the team makes. I believe a 2010 lineup consisting of Utley, Howard, Marson, Donald, and Victorino is a strong nucleus.

  211. Doug Says:
    August 14th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Sorry I always make long posts.

  212. Phil Says:
    August 15th, 2008 at 7:19 am

    Well said Doug.

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