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1. TJ Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am

   Anyone watch the post game last night? Micth Williams was making some great points about Rollins’ comments and it was a pretty simple theory that Rollins doesnt quite get if he called us frontrunners. He like many pointed out that when we boo its because we know you can do better and we are a “What have you done for us lately?” type of fan base. The MVP award from last doesnt mean anything now aside from the fact that you raised your own standards and when you dont live up to the standards you have made for yourself then we tend to get on you about it. Manuel also said that Jenkins is going to start playing more because he thinks that he will get hot at some point, c’mon Manuel play Werth, he has been nothing short of spectacular this year. Feliz returns tonight, that should be good to see with Vic anchoring the bottom of the lineup, if Werth bats 2nd. Bullpen proved that they could hold up in a pressure situation, even if it was against the Nats. Overall it was a good game to watch. Kind of off topic, but do you think that our starters pitch better in closer games under pressure in the first six, because half our runs have come late when the bullpen enters the game, just throwing it out there.

   And after the deep shot by Rollins the majority of the crowd was clapping.

2. OZ Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:21 am

   Good morning. Let’s put it all behind us, and get behind these guys for the home stretch. Jroll got what he deserved last night. Bury the hatchet.

   Go Phils!

3. TJ Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am

   OZ, I agree with you about Rollins but until he gets a hit I think he’ll hear it. Your only as good as your last at bat.

4. Buffalophilsfan Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:27 am

   I like Vic hitting in the 6 hole to give the Phills a little punch at the bottom half of thel lineup. I would love to split up Utley and Howard in the middle. Feliz comes back tonight to hit 7th … hopefully healthy and ready for a stretch run. You almost have to keep Werth in the lineup everyday at this point. 17 dingers and he is producing even against righties. I understand Tim’s point about Jenkins, but he has had his opportunities. Why not go with a lineup like this:

   Vic
   Utley
   Burrell
   Howard
   Werth
   Rollins
   Feliz
   Coste/Ruiz
   Myers

   That makes you R-L throughout the entire lineup. Having Dobbs back on the bench for PH duties is nice also … along with the added defense of Feliz. If the starters keep pitching well (aside from Blanton’s rocky start last night) they will make a push in the next two weeks.

   One other note on the rotation, has anyone thought about the possibility of having Hamels start Friday on normal rest (because of Monday’s off day) instead of Saturday? Why not push Kendrick back to Saturday, thus allowing Hamels to pitch the second game against the Mets? Otherwise, Kendrick gets that key start. Come on Cholly, put the thinking cap on and make that decision.

5. Geoff Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:32 am

   Kendrick has been terrible lately too. thats definitely the right thing to do. hamels isnt as good when he has an extra day off. hes one of those guys that needs to be on a routine and never deviate from it.

6. Rick Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:44 am

   Kendrick should not be making another start anytime soon. He should be sent down for a little while to think about things. I think it’s past time to bring up JA Happ! Happ has earned it! Kendrick has been a feel-good story, but he just hasn’t been performing. Last year, down-the-stretch, he pitched very well. It appears that he just isn’t going to be capable or repeating that performance this year.

7. Mike N Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:47 am

   I agree, Werth needs to stay in the line-up. He works the count, gets on base, even if his average isn’t that great. He’s also got more power and speed than Jenkins.

   I’m also all for a line-up shakeup, dropping Jimmy down to six and putting Burrell at 3, between Utley and Howard.

8. Buffalophilsfan Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 9:58 am

   One other note while I am thinking of it … I believe Cholly used the back end of the pen the way it should be used the rest of the season. Quietly I believe Madson has taken hold of the set-up role. His last few outings have been great. The velocity on his fastball seems to be up to go with his great change. Durbin back to the bridge guy (6-7th innings) is where he has thrived. I don’t think he is a set-up guy. Use Romero strictly as the LOOGY and Lidge shuts the door. Those 4 guys can get it done down the stretch. Use the others in mop-up situations.

9. Don M Says:
   August 20th, 2008 at 10:03 am

   At-Bats vs. RHP, divided by the number of HR..

   Jenkins 261, 9 HR = 1 HR every 29 at-bats vs RHP (1 RBI every 9.32)

   Werth 170, 6 HR = 1 HR every 28.333 at-bats vs RHP (1 RBI every 8.5)

   …Jenkins has a higher Batting Avg. but lower OBP, and lower OnBasePlusSugging… I think Werth will be getting many more at-bats down the stretch

10. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Madson hitting 96mph had to make Geoff happy… and how about that Cutter that was 92mph and tailing away from the Righties (looked like a slider to me.. but what do I know?)

    If he can hit his spots he’ll be fine.. Durbin needs to get back in the role that made him successful, but needs to be ready to pitch anywhere from the 6th through the 8th inning.. he is that important to this team.

11. VASteve Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Buffalophilsfan, you need to take the helm from Charlie. Your line-up is exactly what I was thinking. Vic to lead off, lets face it, he appears to be the only that can consistantly make things happen. Put the ball in play, run hard and see which base you end up on. I love it!!! We need more of it. Chase at #2, takes a bit of pressure off of him I believe. If we get these two going, the rest should take care of itself. I definitely believe Werth has earned playing time. Leave him in there as much as possible.

    Ditto for starting Cole on Friday (besides, I will be at the game so I need to see him!!!). Couldn’t agree more, give Kendrick a spell, let him miss his slot this time, regain some strength and focus. You are right to, no need to allow Cole an additional day, keep him in his routine.

    Time to make a statement Phillies! Fans, lets get behind them, including Rollins. He did seem to hustle last night, and he had a good whack in his final AB. We need him back, bad.

12. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    ive seen enough of rollins. victorino is what jimmy rollins shouldve been his whole career but only did last year. plus, regardless of some of the retard things shane occasionally does, he ALWAYS gives max effort. jimmy barely gives any effort.

    he short-armed a double play ball last night. if i was chad durbin id have turned around and flipped him off and then got up in his grill in the dugout afterwards.

13. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    I think everyone was thinking Victorino into the #1 spot after he crossed the plate again last night.. lots of hustle form that guy all year.. Rollins to #5 would probably be the move though

    Victorino, Utley, Burrell, Howard, Rollins, Werth, Feliz, Ruiz, Adam Eaton..

    Im heading down Saturday, so I’m fine with Hamels pitching on Saturday!!!

14. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    you can’t knock a guy for diving for a ball up the middle but not coming up with it.. I thought he should’ve made the play too, but thats because of how good he is and we come to expect plays like that on a regular basis… but you can’t say he didn’t try for it

15. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Yeah Ive always gotten hamels and myers and moyer when i go. ive gotten eaton a few times, lohse once, and never got blanton or kendrick.

    ive been pretty lucky for the most part. except the one bad hamels start where the marlins rocked him at CBP.

16. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    I’ve been to… 6 games I think this year..

    Hamels vs. the Cubs in april,
    Kendrick vs the Rockies,
    Hamels vs the Reds,
    Hamels vs the Marlins,
    Hamels vs the RedSox,
    Eaton vs the Angels

    Hamels again on Saturday… and then 3 in Chicago, not sure who is pitching those games. If they stay with the Hamels, Blanton, Myers, Moyer, Kendrick..

    Thursday night in Chicago will be Hamels. Friday is Blanton, Saturday is Myers, Sunday is Moyer… I’ll take it..

17. Phil Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Burrell has to hit behind Howard or someone as dangerous. Werth isn’t as dangerous as Burrell. Howard will not see a good pitch with Werth batting behind him. He needs adequate protection. I’d say split up Utley and Howard by putting Burrell 4th.

18. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Then who is the #2 guy, Rollins or Werth?

    I wouldn’t mind a flip-flop of Victorino, Rollins, Utley, etc…

    Force Rollins to bunt Victorino over and play small ball to get his head around the concept of “team” again..

19. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    i had the same hamels/cubs game you had. he went 7.1 and gave up like one hit. they pulled him with a runner on base and seanez let the run in.

    i had the ugly hamels/marlins one. the myers/angels where he struck out 11 but gave up a HR to erick aybar. had the aeton/dbacks game (ugly) where randy johnson stroked a double off of eaton. had the moyer/red sox one. the myers/pirates game where he blew up on charlies last week. and a few others.

20. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    im fired up about getting hamels again on saturday.

21. Fred Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am

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22. Phil Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Watching Hamels pitch is incredible. He is fun to watch. He’s like a wizard or something.

23. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Im excited cause Saturday is going to be 85 degrees… BBQ RIB something challange for $10 before the game from 1-4 … and Hamels is pitching …

    Life is Good.

24. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    i think a large part of pitching is having the hitters hypnotized by your pitch selection, delivery, movements, stuff, etc. having the ability to freeze them. thats so key. hamels is very good at it. moyer is the MASTER of hypotizing people up there. hell throw over to first like 30 times. take his time, take time outs, etc. myers just goes up there and throws because hes not that kind of pitcher.

25. Phil Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Myers could be that kind of pitcher. He has the stuff just not the mental capacity.

26. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    i didnt like moyer until i saw him in person a few times this year because i never caught him before in person until this year.

27. Rick Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I’ll be at the game on Saturday also. My first game since the come back 12-10 victory over the Braves after Cole went down 9-3. Somehow the bats came alive that day in a crazy game. It was fun! I hope Cole pitches much better when I see him in person this time.

    I like this lineup:

    Vic, Utley, Werth, Howard, Burrell, Rollins, Feliz, Ruiz, Pitcher (vs. lefty)

    or

    Vic, Utley, Burrell, Howard, Rollins, Feliz, Jenkins, Ruiz, Pitcher (vs righty)

    (On a sidenote – If Hamels is pitching I’d bat him 8th and Ruiz 9th. At this point, I think Hamels is a better hitter than Ruiz.)

28. Phil Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Hamels is a better hitter than most of our line up haha

29. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    You guys who are ragging on J-Roll so hard are RIDICULOUS. First of all I was at the game last night, and he peppered the ball to first base the one at bat and the 8th inning at bat, i’m pretty sure if the wind wasn’t blowing DEAD IN it would’ve been a homer. And then everyone’s opinion would’ve changed.

    And to the guy who said Victorino is what Jimmy should’ve been his whole career…NO THANKS. Victorino has been spotty and downright miserable at times untilt his year. He’s no leader, he’s a spark plug, but no leader. Jimmy will come around. He put good wood on some balls last night, they just didn’t fall.

    To the Kendrick haters: wow so quick to pull the plug. There was a time this season where if you were asked who is the most consistent/reliable starter this year, it would’ve been between moyer and kendrick. And now you’re throwing him to the wolves (or iron pigs). 3 bad starts doesn’t warrant an instant demotion. He’ll come around. Man I know philly is a rough town, but you guys blow with the wind harder than anyone I’ve seen before.

30. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Dude, Kendrick has been disgraceful last two times out. if it happens the next time you have to sit him down and get him right. you cant stand for that in a pennant race. you need WINS. i like him too, but i want to see him do well and i dont want to keep tossing him out there if hes getting smoked. its bad for his confidence. fix him and then bring him back if he cant fix himself here.

    as far as rollins. im upset at him because hes blaming his troubles on the fans. it doesnt matter if hes correct in his assumptions or not. hes copping out. hes gotta go. hes trash.

31. philsphan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    I think that Kendrick deserves one more shot, and if he can’t get out of the 4th inning or gives up more than 5 runs he should be sent down. Happ or Carrasco could take his spot in the rotation. Kendrick could work on his change-up in AAA and be brought back when ready, either later this year or next season.

32. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    i also bet that if he does to AAA the pitching coach will raise his velocity a bit. because rich dubee = no velocity

    there have been many instances of this alreayd. balnton struggled with velocity last night.

    joe, rotation: DONT EVER LISTEN TO RICH DUBEE. throw the long toss like youre supposed to, use the waistband things, etc. BUILD ARM strength.

    rich dubee is a pitch count guy, and it rather have a pitching coach that build arm strength and stamina while working on mechanics and command. pitch count guys lower velocity and suck in general. rich dubee and milt thompson need to go IMMEDIATELY. i am DEMANDING this.

33. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    one more shot? You wouldnt say that if it were Moyer or Hamels. Kendrick has been ARGUABLY the most consistent starter since being called up last year:

    Hamels has been on and off the DL
    Myers – u know that story
    Eaton – nuff said
    Blanton – too early
    Moyer – the next closest to the most consistent

    I think we’re taking too much to this “sending down to Triple A” thing. That usually doesnt’ work as well as it has in Philly. It’s not the end all be all fix. If you guys managed the team, we’d have a new 5th starter ever week , because face it, not all 5 starters are ever on fire at once.

34. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    why do you think all of these guys, including hamels a few times, have struggled to get through 5 innings, 6 innings ALL SEASON. its becaus eof the way they train their pitching: pitch counts, dont throw enough between starts.

    the way to handle pitching properly as a coach? well, all coaches are going to preach command and mechanics. but thats not good enough to win unless youre jamie moyer. you have to get stamina and arm strength UP. you do that by throwing more pitches. if youre not ptiching and throwing between starts, you wont get stamina and velocity.

    im not surprised at all when half the time guys come here with dubee and a cycle around the rotation is like: 8 innings (hamels), 5 innings, 6 innings, 6innings, 5 innings. um, thats just NOT going to get it done even IF youre not alllowing many runs. STARTERS NEED TO GO 6-7 innings ROUTINELY to be effective.

35. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    if i managed the team, all 5 of those guys would be going 6-7 innings every time out while limiting the runs.

36. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    also Geoff, You’re sayign we need WINS in a pennant race. Who the hell is saying that Carrasco and Happ are goign to come up and dominate. They’re babies!! Just 4 weeks ago, Carrasco was in AA getting SHELLED and people on here were saying trade him hahaha. No pressure kids, just win as soon as you come to the big leagues.

37. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Here I go again… But Don’t the Phillies starters lead the majors in Innings Pitched or something?? Or didn’t they lead in that very recently?

38. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    right, thats why if you demote kendrick the better thing to do wouldve been to get a rental starter off the waiver-wire given the current situation. obvoiusly you go for better but the deadline is over.

    maddux wouldnt come here, etc. maybe washburn would be a nice 5th if seattle would ease off their INSANE demands of refusing to eat his contract. hey seattle: you eat his contract next year and well take him….

39. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    All Pitchers, on every team are on Pitch Counts.. (teams invest too much money in them to risk these guys getting injured).. and All Pitchers throw between starts..

    Sorry, but this is just another rant by you without any basis.. The Velocity of some of the pitchers are down.. but Madson was hittin 96 last night, he didnt used to do that.. and screw velocity.. the Phillies pitching is as good as its been in a LONG time..

40. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    they did at one point, but for two weeks they went through a phase where they only have a few guys go past 6 a few times. there was a cycle a week or so ago where hamels got shelled, blanton got shelled, kenrdrick and moyer didnt last long, myers did well but only went 5 or 6.

    thats not going to cut it…

41. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    No kidding.. but if a guy isn’t that effective, should you leave him in just for the sake of getting to a certain inning?

    On the flip side.. a few of these guys have made very good starts but due to their pitch-counts they wanted to take them out so they can have them healthy down the stretch, and hopefully in the playoffs

42. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    I’m kinda of confused by your theories Geoff, I guess you and I just wont see eye to eye on much. But…

    “the way to handle pitching properly as a coach? well, all coaches are going to preach command and mechanics. but thats not good enough to win unless youre jamie moyer.”

    that’s completley false. If every pitcher had command of their pitches like Moyer, they would all win. So it is completely good enough.

    Secondly, I missed when Dubee takes out the pitchers when they’re doing well? He yanks them they’re sucking. 4 runs in 5 innings last night for blanton against the worst team in teh big leagues. And we’re in teh middle of a rally in the 5th, did you WANT Blanton to hit just so he could meet his “6-7 innings” quota in your world?

    “if i managed the team, all 5 of those guys would be going 6-7 innings every time out while limiting the runs.”

    hahaha if you managed a team that could do that and win, you would retire the greatest coach of all time. Sure you’re ideas sound good on paper, but in reality, EVERY COACH would love to their pitchers to go 6-7 innings while limiting the runs. Come on now.

43. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    when blantons velocity is up, he doesnt get hit much at all. when its down (last night, first two starts here) he gets beat all around the park.

    hes the perfect example of that concept.

    blanton, myers, kendrick, hamels have ALL had velocity problems at some point or another this year because of rich dubee. again, im DEMANDING that rich dubee be reassigned IMMEDIATELY in favor of whoever it was that fixed brett myers down in AAA. i would openly GIVE jimmy rollins awya to the cardinals if they allowed us to hire dave duncan TODAY.

44. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    im pretty sure i made moyer an exception because hes been around forever and has people hypnotized up there.

45. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    right, but, keept in mind, the phillies dotn do that. velocity up and down with these guys, except jamie, all year.

    innings WAAAAAAY down for the starters. team innings pitched is high because the BULLPEN is leading the way there. those gusy are throwing a lot of innings.

46. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    you missed my point. If Blanton was throwing in the uppper 80’s instead of the 90’s but had the control of moyer, he would be great. It’s not velocity that wins balls games geoff, it’s location adn change of speeds. where did you learn the game

47. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    huh? I think the STARTING pitchers are or were leading the majors in Innings Pitched..

    I could be wrong..

    Geoff, what are the email addresses for the owners.. you should send them your DEMANDS each and every day

48. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    i understand changing speeds (see ryan, nolan: multiple different fastball speeds, slow curve, 90mph curve) but theyre hanging floaters up in the middle of the plate. yes, location is key, but when youre TOP speed is 88 like blanton and kendrick and myers its GOING TO GET CRUSHED unless your location is as good as moyers. thats why moyer is the exception.

    but, blantons velocity range was 91-95 in oakland, myers is 90-94 and was most of his career.

    where did that go? myers has just recently fixed it in AAA. blantons has been up and down. one game he can change speeds and dial it up and down, one game he cant.

    hence: DEMAND IMMEDIATE reassignment of dubee.

49. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    but i need to be holding something hostage to make demands…like my ticket package renewals…

50. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    …and.. if their velocity is down, its usually for all the pitches not just the fastball. As long as their is a difference in speeds like Fastball 88, Chang-up 80mph… that is good enough to keep the hitters off balance.

    Throwing 98mph is nice.. but if you aren’t locating it, that will get hit out of the yard at some point too.

    What you want is the guy that throws hard, changes-speed, and has the locations… Sabathia, Santana, Beckett, ….When Hamels and Myers are hitting their spots, you could say them too. both of those guys throw between 90-94.. with a Change that is at least 10mph slower.

51. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    when hamels and myers are on theyre very good with that, same with blanton. very effective. but they dont have that ability ENOUGH to be consistenly top notch.

    sabathia is nuts with that. so is beckett..

52. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Thats why pitching is so hard to come across… only a few guys in baseball can have the exact speed and location every time out.

53. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Blanton has always thrown his fastball low 90s.. never a power pitcher, strikeout guy.

    a SLOW curveball like 75-80

    and his slider and changup are like 80-85..

54. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    right, but hes been topping out at 88 in his bad starts just like myers was….

55. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    So Rich Dubee should get fired??

56. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    go dig up some nolan ryan videos. he threw a hard curve. a slow curve is liek 66-75….fora normal curve, you want it do be a similar speed to a slider or changeup maybe a tad slower.

57. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Nolan Ryan was also… NOLAN RYAN…

58. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Fire Rich, Hire Geoff. Duh

59. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    i dont like firing ppl. trading people is different. cutting adam eaton doesnt count because youre paying him millions to go away.

    reassign them elsewhere, him and milt. have them scout major league teams for INTEL, not for talen eval but for spotting trends. even those guys can do that..have them call into charlie to get him prepped for upcoming series…

60. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    well i know, but you always can make an excuse to watch nolan ryan throw….

61. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    you need a guy liek mike scoscia to manage your team…that guy gets up in the face of respected veterans if they dont bust it hard enough. hell chew out anyone and everyone is accountable. i WISH we had that guy….

62. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    We did.. his name was Larry Bowa..

63. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    ahh yes, and the SOFT players complained about it and ran him out of town…

64. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    And he’s had so many other Manager jobs offered to him because of how well that style works..

    Nobody like playing for managers like that.. that’s what the fans are for in Philly, the players need someone that is FOR them not also giving them shit when they screw up

65. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    they have someone like that. charlie…thats worked so well this year that hes had to go negative a few times and they rebelled against him several times this year.

    again, DEMAND IMMEDIATE

66. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    but mike scoscia won a championship with that style too…as have dozens of other managers. lasorda, lrussa, etc…

67. Richie Allen Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    You can all talk about the pitching problems all day…but in my mind if we were HITTING LIKE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HITTING ..the Phils would have won a shitload more games in the last month

68. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    indeed that it also true. more compounding problems.

69. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Overall, Charlie has been a great fit as manager of this team.. its noted that he can flip out on players behind closed doors, but doesn’t do so in front of the cameras..

    Lots of managers have won with this style, Francona, Torre, Bob Brenly D’backs..

    But Lots have with the in-your-face too.. Ozzie Guillen, recently among them

    I wouldn’t say that LaRussa or Jack McKeon are all that much different than Manuel in the way they handled their teams in public view.. and none of us know what goes on behind closed doors…

70. Don M Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    But I think we all agree that if we score 5+ runs we can win everynight.. and with this offense we should be around 3-4 runs even on a bad night.. Lets hope they pick this back up!!

71. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Yeah they should if they do that….and if we DEMAND IMMEDIATE….type of things

72. Richie Allen Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    To get back to the subject of” WHATS WRONG”lately….Im telling you guys the entire pitching picture is not bad this year,Bullpen has been great and starters adequate if we hit.
    Take last night,Blanton sucks I heard everyone say, but if the Phils hit,as they were set up to do,we win 80% of those games.
    You can micro all aspects of the pitching staff,But I cringe anymore when Utley,Howard,Rollins,Burrell come up with runners in scoring position .

73. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    the phillies contacted dave ross today…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

74. Eb Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Scocsia plays small ball also, there the phils woiuld sputter becasue (along with being softies) they suck at situtational hitting and directing a ball to a side of the field.

    The pitching (all around) has been very good when looking back at past staffs. blanton also needs to lose 20lbs, my ass he is the 235 as listed in media guides.

75. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    hes make sure they played good small ball, or else..

76. John Cena Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    YOU CANT SEE ME !!!!! FIVE KNUCKLE SHUFFLE SUCKA WOWOWWWWWWWWWW

77. Rob Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    1 more bad Kendrick start = the beginning of the Kris Benson experiment

78. PhilPhan Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    LOL Kris Benson…there’s a genius idea

79. Geoff Says:
    August 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    The mets signed al reyes…HAHAHA more SLOP for their bullpen

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