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82 Responses to “Big Man Carrieth: Phils Take First Game From Brewers”

1. Griffin Says:
   September 11th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

   1 down, 3 to go.

2. Smith Says:
   September 11th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

   The 3 back of the Mets is a little misleading. It’s 4 in the loss column.

3. Robbi P Says:
   September 11th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

   What we need is to give Chase a night off to clear his head, we got Iguchi might as well use him. I think Pat the Bat needs a night off. We have a good chance this series of getting some games back with the pitching matchups and not seeing CC. We have to take advantage. I swear the Phillies have pissed the shit out of me this year and I might kill a Met fan if they are in the playoffs and we aren’t. I really think if we win the division Howard is MVP. MUCK THE FETS!!!!!!

4. they know we're better than them Says:
   September 11th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

   wow… asshats here threatening to kill Met fans… and you dirtbags call Met fans classless?

5. SJ Mike Says:
   September 11th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

   I think tomorrow night would be a good night to give Utley a breather since Parra is a Lefty.

6. Manny Says:
   September 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

   Yea, give Utley the day off…PLEASE

   Though he wasn’t THAT bad today…he singled and he scored

7. SJ Mike Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 12:01 am

   Manuel likes to put out lineups based of of matchups, so we’ll see how it goes.

8. Johnny Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 12:18 am

   If the Phils end up in the playoffs, Jamie Moyer is as much responsible as anyone. Don’t get me wrong, Howard has been nothing short of amazing in September. But it’s expected from him. You expect Howard to hit home runs. You don’t expect the Old Man to beat Ben Sheets on three days rest.

   It’s an example of the kind of grit this teams needs to have – the grit that got them in the playoffs last year. He’s setting the standard, and already guys like Myers are following his lead by agreeing to pitch on Sunday.

9. Phils2008 Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 12:30 am

   Moyer was amazing!! I’ll admit I had my doubts with 3 days rest an going up against Ben Sheets. We just need Hamels, Blanton, and Myers to do their part. We can still get into the playoffs!! 2008 You Gotts Believe

10. Phils2008 Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    i met gotta. sorry

11. Fran Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    BELIEVE

12. Johnny Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:37 am

    Lets not take away Feliz and his performance today offensively either. And whenever Moyer pitches as well as he did tonight … I remember him joking right before the trade deadline about signing another 3 year deal … and at this point …who wouldn’t?

13. Mark Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Carlos Ruiz deserves a lot of credit in this one; the 3rd strike doubleplay on the attempted steal, the RBI double and the suicide-squeeze bunt!

14. MetSkins Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Wow… that Moyer is something else! Hard to believe he shut down my Mets and then the Brewers all within 4 days!

    If the Phils make it to the post season, they will have to thank that guy.

15. MikeB Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    I agree that Manuel should force Utley to sit a game on Friday night since a Lefty is going for the Brew-Crew. Iguchi was a fairly good hitter for the Phillies last year filling in for Utley. Even though Iguchi does not have much of an average this year, maybe playing in these important games will give him a spark.

    What does everyone think is wrong with Burrell? He is an enigma. Hot one part of the year and cold the other. Looks like the Burrell of old right now.

16. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 6:09 am

    looking at Utley numbers . In his last eighty at bats one homer, seven rbi. I just can’t believe something isn’t wrong with chase. He is a hitting machine he must be hurt or it could be mental. All I know is that this isn;t the player we all have seen play for years.

17. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Are you guys down off the ledge, and back on the wagon now??

18. NEPA Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    No, not at all Don. Still don’t think they’re gonna make it. Hope they do, just don’t think they will.

19. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    I hear you, I just think yesterday people were so annoying with their definite stance that “THIS TEAM IS DONE!” and shit like that… there is a reason they play the games on the field. Last night was definitely the Brewers best chance to win a game here, Sheets going against Moyer- on short rest… and we got the job done.

    Rollins, Howard, Feliz, Ruiz…. all guys that MANY here on PhilliesNation want(ed) traded or released, or said were terrible signings, and blamed Gillick… and they just helped you win another HUGE game last night.

20. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    I think if you go back and check, this is the FIRST good pitcher theyve beaten ALL SEASON…its about time!

    you just watch hoping thye surprise you and they kind of did last night. im not even going to say that behind sheets and sabathia the brewers dont have much because that slop will probably shut down the phillies for the next three games.

    if the phillies win the first three the brewers might get desperate and throw sabathia out there for a no hitter sunday.

    now, with the season on the line it was good to see ryan howard and jimmy rollins play good baseball…again, ITS ABOUT TIME they beat somebody good. instead of getting all these phantom hone runs and rbis against the washington nationals and the atlanta braves.

    now, if they cant beat manny parra and dave bush then they dont deserve to be in the playoffs, because those guys are horrible.

21. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    winning one game also doesnt change much. you still have to go out and beat manny parra and dave bush. come on, guys, you can beat two slop vintage national league slopbucket starters cant you?

22. Fred Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    You are right, as always, the Phillies and Gillick are fantastic. We will win out and take the World series title. In fact, why even play anymore games – just give us the trophy now.

23. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Geoff always looks on the bright-side of life.. which is nice

    you can only beat who you are playing.. so the nonsense about them not beating any top pitchers, and them scoring PHANTOM home runs and RBIs… it seems to me that just about every game all year has been close.. its not like Howard is racking up RBIs in 10-0 wins… give credit where credit is due, instead of steadily bashing your own team.

    good thing we had Rollins at SS last night making highlight-reel plays instead of Jason Donald!

24. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    we could say the same thing. all of a sudden all is forgiven and everything is resolved and all their holes are fixed because they beat a good pitcher for the first time this year.

25. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    hahahaa… you guys are unreal..

    im done trying to talk you all off the ledge… but there is still a lot of baseball left to play, and im sure that we’ve the best of the Phillies yet.

26. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    so what if jimmy rollins is back there, im tired of it. this is the era of the shortstop. theyre growing off trees now. its probably a good idea to go with a younger one.

    all those gold glove plays doesnt change the fact that he only started playing respectable baseball ONE WEEK AGO.

27. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    instead of being happy for your team.. you gotta start this “ITS ABOUT TIME” bullshit.. haven’t Rollins and Howard been carrying this team for a few weeks now??

    ANyway… SportsNight had a thing last night.. MVP candidates.

    Howard, Wright, Delgado, Pujols..

    Guess we gotta see which teams make the playoffs, but how the hell do you pick between those guys..???

28. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    i dont need flashy primadonnas out there who tell us that the fans are responsible for the team playing poorly. you are professional athletes, you have to be ready to play on your own and your making millions of dollars to do it.

    sseriously, I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT HOW GREAT JIMMY ROLLINS IS, I DONT WANT THAT PIECE OF SHIT PLAYING FOR MY BASEBALL TEAM ANYMORE!

29. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Hold on… i gotta write this down..

    “its the era of the shortstop. theyre growing off trees now. its probably a good idea to go with a younger one.”

    … got it! THanks!

30. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    but thats so american, in the age of drive-by media you forgot all of that stuff as soon as the commercial break hit, didnt you

31. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    contradiction.. how much you DEMAND a winner.. you should clearly see how a Gold Glove shortstop, and a guy that can swipe bags when you need them is valuable to your team.

    If you want to WIN… Jimmy Rollins is a MUCH better guy than “a younger one”

32. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    you attach too much to names. rollins, howard, so what.

    championships: 0. recent WS appearances:0 playoff appearances: oh yeah they did make the playoffs last year ,they were eliminated so fast that i forgot.

33. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    were Howard and Utley suppossed to carry this team to the WorldSeries in their first two years???? Rollins has been around for a while, but only recently did they surround him with actual teammates.

    the problem is you want it all RIGHT NOW..and you want them to prepare for the future to rebuild and stuff too… just hang tight with your baseball team, and see how far they can go instead of telling us how you know they’ll choke like the Mets often do

34. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    theyve gotta achieve something significant in baseball before i begin to respect them to the level that you do. I DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT MVP AWARDS, they mean nothing. theyre stuff for sportswriters to debate about.

35. NEPA Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Haha, shortstops are growing off trees. Love that one.

36. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    they have achieved nothing. theyve done nothing. theyve won nothing.

    in and of itself that isnt bad, they arent the first bunch of phillies to win nothing, but they ACT like they already won something. thats the problem i have. thats what the eagles did and its what made me hate them. i still hate them, not the players, but the coach and the ownership/management.

37. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    so guiding a team to its first division title in 15 years isn’t significant at all?

    I can’t honestly believe that you followed this team in their down year, and didn’t kill yourself in the process… you had to just recently start following this team, or you wouldn’t be with us today

38. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    so are at least semicompetent general managers….

39. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    since we all write about sports on here… i thought that was a good topic to bring up.. which guy is the MOST VALUABLE.. the award itself doesn’t mean a thing.. but the value that a guy brings to a team is a good topic

40. NEPA Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    I would have to say Lidge for Phillies MVP. No offensive player has been consistent enough. Without Lidge, we’re screwed.

41. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Hey, I just stepped out my back door and there was a shortstop hanging from the tree. I plucked him off, what should I do with him?

42. Paul Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Howard is on fire. Funny how he seems to always do this, he’s cold early in the season, then heats up at the end.

    And honorable mention for the Ashburn has to be Madsen. He did a great job last night.

43. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    but thats the thing. i dont hop off the wagon at all…or the bridge. you dont back down, or abandon them. they need to be properly…encouraged to do the right things.

44. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    right… but like Billy Beane.. and other wise baseball men say, the save is one of th easiest stats to pile up.

    The fact that you get three outs with a 3 run lead shouldn’t be that hard for ANY pitcher in baseball…. I forget what the success rate is, I want to say moneyball listed it at like 97% chance that you’ll win with a 3-run lead and no runners on to start the last inning..

    Not to take anything away from Lidge, cause he’s been excellent.. but I think Moyer has impressed me more than Lidge this year.. but I agree that we wouldn’t be in contention without Lidge in some clutch spots this year!

45. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    but thats the problem don….there arent enough guys that can do that. thats completely pathetic. so yes, getting one of them, and making sure you keep him around for a few more years, that was a good thing to do.

    last time they acted like closers grow on trees…good ones dont. jose mesa does, but brad lidge doesnt. when you get them you keep them here.

46. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    “properly encouraged to do the right things” doesn’t mean steadily bitching to us in capital letters all day everyday that they NEED TO TRADED OR RELEASED IMMEDIATELY.. does it?

    Again, I understand your frustration, I really do.. but I often think that you say things just to rant, and can’t honestly believe 90% of what you post on here.

    If you really believe your previous stuff about SS growing on trees.. and that Rollins’ being a Gold Glove shortstop doesn’t significantly help this team… and we should bring in a younger one… ..anyway.. I just can’t see how somebody could honestly believe that

47. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Jimmy is a great ss, when he CHOOSES to be. That’s my problem with him this year, he seemed to utilize his talents only when he felt like it this season.

48. Phil Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Shortstops only grow on trees in the NL. The AL only has 2 short stops even worth talking about. Jeter and Young.

49. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Dear Mr. Montgomery. Last night at the game my beer was flat, Almost as flat as your comments. I need a refund please.

50. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    everyone gets all hyped up because of a few percentage points here and there that seperate jimmy from the rest. i mean, do you really give a damn if your guy has a 96 % Fp or a 98% FP? that really doesnt make a difference. its the ERRORS that hurt. fielding percentage is such an over blown bullshit statistic. it only matters if a guy is well below the pack. because most of the shortstops are grouped around the median and there really isnt much of a defensive dropoff if jason donald cant get to as many balls as jimmy. if the team isnt good enough to overcome little nuances like that they deserve to lose.

    cut down on donalds errors and i will seriously take him over jimmy ANY DAY. hes not a complete asshole, so thats a big plus. i would do whatever it takes to get that asshole rollins out of here in the offseason. even if it meanst paying him off and releasing him for no return. id be completely ok with that. f him.

51. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Jimmy Rollins is a great shortstop. He should realize how lucky he is to be playing something he loves and making a lot of money at it.That being said one of the problems with him, is team related. They have him batting first, and he isn’t a leadoff hitter.

52. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    you cant believe this crap from arbuckle and those types. arbuckle was on the radio yesterday and the guy is completely deulisional. he doesnt know shit about baseball. hes another executive lapdog like gillick and amaro. im tired of these guys. theyve thrown kendrick out there WAY TOO MANY TIMES. he was done back in july when he came down off that high of 8 shutout innings against the A’s. they had ample time. instead they got joe blanton to replace adam eaton and never bothered to get someone to replace kendrick.

    what did i say? they needed TWO starters, a SETUP MAN, ONE outfielder, and a CLUE if they were going to be a lefitimate world series threat. now, they need EVEN MORE than that.

53. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    What you in my opinion fail to realize is that rollins gets to a lot of balls . A lot of shortstop don’t have his range. Or his arm so fielding percentage is misleading. Rollins will make more in most case errors because of his range. Donald by a lot of baseball people’s opinion doesn’t have major league range,at that position.

54. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I still don’t know how good arbuckle or gillick are. What we don’t know is how the team is run. Remember they have not had the financial support. A example is the international market we spend very little,so we don’t have the chance to get the players from latin america countries. How many great players come out of there. If we spend more in the draft then we would have the prospect to land top players example detroit getting Cabrea. The key to that deal was Miller who detroit overpaid in the draft to get. Miller gets paid 1.4 million dollars ,what does hamel get? see my point is other teams paid for prospect to help them land what they need if they don’t have it in there farm system

55. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    their farm system, while better is still garbage. you mean we cant have anyone come up and contribute in september? they called up a few of the prospects but they got golson in the game like once and they still havent gotten at bats.

56. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    I do think we have been spoiled by having Jimmy at ss, we are so used to him pretty much flagging down everything that comes close to him, if someone came in without his range, he’d be getting booed every other play.
    btw, Hurricane Ike is already creating some amazing wave action in the Galveston area(I’m a weather geek as well).

57. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    im a sucker for hurricanes. i dont watch the TERRIBLE coverage on tv though. unless its frmo the weather channel and the weather channel.com

    still, our weather is weak compared to some of those storms you see on jupiter and other planets.

58. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Geoff The farm system at triple a has a twenty seven year old pitcher. And a backup catcher prospect. At double a there is Carrasco who has a lot of scouts split on his ability. Donald who they said is utility and a young catcher marson, who had is first breakout year. Golson is fast but a strikeout machine at double a . so who is going to help . Point is there isn’t much to pick from. Bad drafts and poor trades under wade hurt this team,

59. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    True Geoff, but if we keep screwing with the environment, we might eventually get some Jupiter-like storms.

60. Eb Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    mikemike is back on the band wagon it seems

61. mikemike Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    what would lead you to say that ?

62. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    you mean the HAARP machine and the scalar weapons? or the REAL pollution that gets ignored because of global warming?

63. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    mikemike finally contributing something to a conversation.. nice…

    …
    I think that if you are counting on September callups being able to come up and really contribute.. thats a problem.

    If they were good enough to come up and help the team, they would have been called up before Sept so they could make the postseason roster if they made it that far.

    I agree 100% to whoever posted about people taking Rollins’ for granted… great range, instincts, a great arm, and great overall play at ShortStop (the “captain” of the infield). . . Now you want to outright release him?? And you call this GM stupid??

64. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    I’m talking about REAL pollution, but what’s global warming? Our brain trust (Bush, Cheney) told me there is no such thing.

65. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    ask Sarah Palin… Global Warming is a Mission from God

66. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Andd… not to mention any names, but a certain Republican candidate opposed ALL FORMS OF GUN CONTROL… background checks, bans on assualt weapons (like the kind used at Columbine), bans on armor-piercing ammunition, laws against guns for mentally unstable citizens (like that killer at Virginia Tech)..

    …anyone that was as fired-up about the recent shooting of Philadelphia Police Officers as I was.. should pay some attention to that as well.

    This country has turned into a joke….

    …so its a good thing we have baseball!

67. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Don, did you know that the illustrious VP candidate pushed for the right to carry a concealed weapon in bars and banks in Alaska? Duhhh!!!

68. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Nah.. didn’t know that.. But I do know that the NRA said that if other students also had weapons, like handguns which they are entitled too.. they could have shot the Columbine kids…. or if the teachers were armed.

    So…. you can’t discipline kids in schools anymore without a lawsuit, but these assholes want students and teachers to be able to carry guns into schools..

    bringing a gun into a bank isn’t risky at all, its not they are going to rob the place or anything.

    I’m all for a handgun to protect your house, or a rifle if you hunt… but what the f*ck happened to COMMON SENSE in this country?

69. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    dude, our planet is cooling right now actually. you have to study the farmers almanac and look at the real evidence. all of those bullshit global warming scientists are owned by corporations that pump global warming, which is a corporate scam designed to get you to pay a carbon tax (breathing tax, AKA slavery) and buy ethanol which causes more pollution. the sun was in a hot cycle but it has come out of it. they just went through the first month with NO sun spots last month, meaning that the sun was not producing extra heat and hurtling heat bursts towards earth, hence it has been a cool summer. do you guys even know how that stuff impacts our temperature and that of the other planets?

    NEW FLASH: carbon dioxide is one of the key elements of life, it is critical to photosynthesis (PLANTS CONSUME CO2 and USE IT TO PRODUCE O2), PLANKTON CONSUME CO2 and NITRATES in the ocean and form the basis of the acquatic food chain.

    real environmental issues? checmical, nuclear waste dumping, DEFORESTATION, industrial pollution from factories.

    that all said: sarah palin is a piece of trash.

70. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    and actually if you listen, george bush and the neocons ARE pushing global warming lately. it took them a while to get the memo that global warming “research” and “studies” are ALL funded by exxon mobil, shell oil, BP, etc.

71. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    oil companies… are saying that the relation between RECORD GAS PRICES…and RECORD OIL COMPANY PROFITS, are because the oil companies are given money to help with the research and development of alternative energy…????

72. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    they CONTROL the alternative energy. theyre energy companies more than they are oil companies. especially stuff like BP and Shell. sarah palin is totally owned by British Petroleum too (her husband WORKS FOR BP!), john mccain is owned by foreign governments (like 30 of them) and the stuff he does is AGAINST american interest. he should actually be in prison for treason right now. not like obama and biden are saints either but their dishonesties are much less obvious. the neocons just slap you in the face with it knowing theyll get away with it because people are stupid.

    record oil profits are twofold in their source: first, THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR HAS BEEN DECIMATED. inflation has run rampant and a government that terrorizes and threatens its nieghbors (wait, isnt that what we called iran the other day? isnt that what we called saddam huessein?) doesnt make a good business partner.

    still, the majority of americas national debt is OWNED by foreign governments. japan, china, russia, saudi arabia, UAE, etc. they can dump their assets (”dump the dollar”) and tank our economy completely overnight.

    finally, the wars and violence in the middle east have shut down production and scarcified the oil stock there. thats why russie opened up a new pipline in the caucuses which promptly got attacked by georgia at the behest of the pentagon and BP to protect the BP pipeline in Georgia. yes children, Georgia attacked Russia, read the foreign news for once.

73. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    well…. if I only agreed with your baseball knowledge as much as I agree with your political knowledge, we’d be all set.. nice work

74. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    werd…

75. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Geoff, you are a wealth of knowledge, I love brainy guys.

76. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Do I hear wedding bells for Geoff and Georgie ?

77. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    lol

78. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Don, I’ll have to check with my husband on that one! lol But I think most of you guys are young enough to be my sons, so maybe I could adopt Geoff.

79. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    But I also like younger guys, my hubby is 11 years my junior.

80. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    interesting…you still could very well be old enough to be my mom though…being 25 myself.

81. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    55, Geoff, so maybe even your grandma if we lived in the Ozarks!!!

82. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    lol, interesting…

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