Hamels Halts Streaking Nats

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Wed, September 03, 2008 08:43 AM

Cole Hamels shut down the Nationals, shutting them out for 7.1 innings and leading the Phillies to a 4-0 win in Washington. The win kept them two games in back of the Mets for the NL East lead, and 4.5 games in back of the Brewers for the NL Wild Card.

Hamels threw 104 pitches, giving up just five hits and walking three while striking out six. His ERA is now at 3.01. He was backed by JC Romero and Chad Durbin after getting in some trouble in the eighth. Brad Lidge gave up a leadoff triple, but closed the door in the ninth. He didn’t earn a save.

The offense looked alive enough to score four runs off John Lannan and Levale Speigner. They got two in the second — Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley had RBI singles — before Utley crashed into catcher Jesus Flores trying to steal home. A pretty nasty play. They got two more in the seventh thanks to a Rollins RBI single and groundout that went a different way, allowing Carlos Ruiz to score.

And it shows that when Rollins gets it done, the Phils win. He was 2-for-3 with the two ribbies and a run scored. He also walked, getting on base three of four times.

Here are some photos from the game – notice how bored the bullpen gets when Cole is pitching.


Associated Press photo

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106 Responses to “Hamels Halts Streaking Nats”

  1. MikeB Says:

    How many catchers have the Phils taken out of the game this year? does that make #3?

    Btw.. Utley looked like he could play for the birds with that hit!

  2. Joe O Says:

    Utley looked like he could play for the Eagles? Does that mean he will miss tackles, drop balls and get sacked? Will all the Philly fans blame their losses on Any Reid now? Get a life, Philadelphia. Grow up you bunch of complainers.

  3. Geoff Says:

    what they need to do is trade jimmy rollins and ryan howard.

    that was a decent, expected win against one of the worst teams i can ever remember watching.

  4. RiVLez Says:

    Rollins I can agree with but Ryan Howard I don’t think so. No one is going to want a guy who hits .220 and will almost always strike out in a big spot.

  5. Phil Says:

    Yeah, noone wants a guy that always leads the NL in homers and RBI’s.

  6. Don M Says:

    Can you imagine this team without Rollins and Howard.. they would have no chance to win anything!

  7. Geoff Says:

    my point exactly, his value is higher than you think it is. same with rollins even in a bad year. get em on out of here and get value in return.

  8. Geoff Says:

    build a WINNING team with the pieces you get back

  9. Phil Says:

    You can get 4 type A prospects from trading those 2.

  10. Don M Says:

    Like I said before, and I’ll say again… no team is going to give you TOP PITCHING in return for Ryan Howard.. and since that is what every team wants, there won’t be many takers for Howard. Because we don’t have TOP PITCHING on our team right now, we need that bat so we can out-score teams.

    In reality, our pitching has been very good all season long.. with Moyer being great, Myers having turned his season around.

    If Rollins already had his “career year” then you already missed his highest value… but because he is still so valuable to your own team, there is no point to trading him… and you are fooling yourself if you think they are going to trade him

  11. Don M Says:

    …and look all the “can’t miss” prospects that don’t turn out to be anything in the majors. It happens ALL THE TIME.

    Homer Bailey, Phil Hughes, etc

  12. RiVLez Says:

    Don M i think you said it perfect. Howard is a good player and does have tons of HR’s and RBI’s, but he leads the league in strikeouts (holds record) and his BA is just plain terrible. He can get traded for some good players but not an Ace as a lot of you guys think. No one in their right mind is going to trade an ace for him. I would even tend to believe that Howard would pull as much attention as Rollins would. I think the Phillies are going to be stuck with both of them. I don’t see a trade happening this offseason for either.

  13. Geoff Says:

    im pretty sure they missed their chance to trade him too, rollins. which means im going to bury him for YEARS until he gets his head right.

    you think you cant get top young pitching for howard? ok then. im pretty sure you can. teams are desperate. so are the yankees. when the yankees get desperate they give up too much to get what they want. tahts when you swoop in there and ask for joba chamberlain and melky cabrera for ryan howard AND YOU GET IT. that will get it done for me. joba chamberlain is roger clemens without the steroids. melky cabrera can play all 3 outfield positions for you and contribute in a platoon or an everyday situation.

  14. Geoff Says:

    the phillies admitted theyre going to be shopping ryan hwoard hard in the offseason.

  15. Geoff Says:

    if you cant get it then you hang onto him anyway. no big deal. you make teams grovel and cough it up for howard. you dont just throw him away for mid-level trash. if you cant get what you want, then theres no harm in just hanging onto him until hes in his contract year.

  16. Don M Says:

    I can understand why would want to trade Howard… not Rollins.

    If Howard could get you the starting #1 or #2 pitcher that your team is lacking.. it would be a great trade. But since we all know that pitching and defense win championships…no team is going to give you the pitching that will help you win, for a Feast-or-Famine hitter… and its just not realistic to think that they ever would.

    Rollins can get you more in return, but Jason Donald at SS would be MUCH worse defensively, and why everyone thinks he’s going to tear the cover off the ball is beyond me… you’d lose experience, great defense, one of the best baserunners and base stealers in baseball… all because you guys want to build for the future.

    I’d rather stick with the team that could have swept the Cubs in Chicago, cause to me, this Phillies team looks pretty damn legit!!

  17. Geoff Says:

    they shouldve swept the cubs, but they didnt. they hacked up two sure thing wins against good pitching because they GOT good pitching in that series except when the bullpen scrungled up the lead twice. joe blantons better than i thought, but hes still rough around the edges. no command sometimes leads to shorter outings.

  18. Don M Says:

    If you think you can Joba from the Yankees.. for Ryan Howard… you are nuts. They need pitching more than anything.. why would they give it up for anyother Jason Giambi??

    I understand that you want the whole team to win the World Series.. and get traded.. and everything all at the same time..

    But Maybe you should start your own “TRADE JIMMY ROLLINS” blog and see how many people are on board with it… ??

    He’s been playing great baseball and helping this team win games over the past few weeks.. and he won the MVP last year, but because he started the year slowly and called-out fans for booing too much.. you want him traded and you’re going to “bury him for YEARS”

  19. Don M Says:

    The first night, they got beat by the best lineup in the NL, if not all of baseball…

    on Friday, they got hosed for 2 runs by the umpires. DeRosa was called SAFE on a steal at 2nd, eventhough he was clearly OUT… he ended up scoring (run #1 by the umpires).

    Howard was called out at 1st, eventhough he was clearly SAFE.. and so a run didn’t score on that play (run #2 by the umpires)

    So the Phillies should have been winning 3-1 when Soriano hit that HomeRun, which would have cut the lead to 3-2 Phillies, instead of making it 3-2 Cubs.

    So they actually should have won 3-of-4.. and could have won all 4 at Wrigley… which means that the Phillies are also a damn good team

  20. RiVLez Says:

    LOL Joba. Are you kidding me?!?!? That’s almost as terrible as the time when I walked out of Shea a few years back and I heard this one guy say that A-Rod wants to be a Met so bad. HAHAHA. Ryan Howard is not going to pull someone of Joba’s caliber. I think some of you guys need to lay off that crack a bit and then post on here.

  21. Griffin Says:

    The Yanks are NOT trading Joba for anything, stop kidding yourself. They’ll fill their 1B spot by signing Texeira this offseason.
    The same people who are saying “trade Rollins! trade Howard!” were shouting “DFA Myers!” earlier this season.

  22. Geoff Says:

    dude, besides missing his peak value, remember, hes signed cheaply for several more years. that really carries a lot of wieght in baseball.

    my point is. we all know this team is cheap and wont spend the money needed. maybe they will, but i seriously doubt it, they havent proven that to be consistently enough to earn my trust. So why not sacrifice two, just two, valuable peices now if it means you can get many pieces in return, maybe 4/5 of which will turn out to be valuable pieces in a year or a few years. whats wrong with that?

    if you cant get what youre looking for, then hey, no problem, well hang onto these guys.

  23. Geoff Says:

    theyre going to sign sabathia and maybe burnett too. the yankees wont splash on texeira beause HE ISNT GOING TO LEAVE THE ANGELS.

  24. Tim Malcolm Says:

    Amazing. I don’t write a word about Howard, and yet the discussion comes back to trading him.

  25. Don M Says:

    We aren’t a small-market team though so we don’t NEED to trade players at their peak value and get prospects in return…

    And if you think we can get 4 top-prospects for the two of them… what are the odds of 1 of them turning out to be an MVP-type player.

    Its just not a smart move, and your daily rants about these ridiculous trades are the worst thing about this website…

  26. Don M Says:

    If you think they are cheap, and they haven’t earned your trust… then go “cheer” for some other team, cause obviously you’ll never be satisfied with this one.

  27. RiVLez Says:

    I don’t think the Phillies could even get Philip Hughes and Melky for Howard. I really don’t think that players like Howard/Dunn get much attention. Dunn puts up similiar #’s with a ridiculously higher OBP. I think OBP is a very important # that GMs look at. Me personally, I would rather take Adam Dunn over Howard especially since you know Howard is going to be wanting more than 13M/yr that Dunn makes.

  28. Georgie Says:

    I’ve always been a huge fan of Rollins, but after this season not so much. How many times have we heard “As Rollins goes, so goes the team”? His attitude, for whatever reason, has been less than positive this year, and I think that has unfortunately spread thru the rest of the team. He obviously has the talent and drive to lead this team, but seems to show it when he feels like it, and in my book that’s unacceptable.

  29. Geoff Says:

    no we dont need to, and we arent a small market team. BUT GUESS WHAT? the ownership acts like a bottom-feeding small market team, so get used to it. you think that money they saved on aaron rowand is going to be used to sign a free agent starting pitcher? SSSSSSSSSUCKER! youre smoking crack if you believe that. if they do that ill be so happy but i seriously doubt it. come on, now. they flat out dont believe in spending big money on a free agent starting pitcher, PERIOD. im talkin 15-20mm.

    so you HAVE to play the contract game with them. play the odds. leverage it out.

    you guys STILL dont get it. if you can get what youre looking for then DONT TRADE HIM. simple. we are NOT talking about a salary dump or trading him just to trade him. were talking about getting value. if you cant get two cant miss prospects and two decent prospects then you hang up the phone.

  30. Geoff Says:

    the TEAM will always have my support. but the owners do not and maybe never will. theyre scum, politican-types.

  31. Geoff Says:

    i kind of think they have no choice but to keep pat burrell though. theyre backed into a corner on that one.

  32. RiVLez Says:

    Gillick is a terrible GM and I’m sure all the Phillies fans are excited that he will be gone. You guys might get someone better to be your GM after this season.

  33. Griffin Says:

    don’t we have a top-10 payroll?

  34. Don M Says:

    Well then they’ll be hanging up the phone.. so get ready to bash them for doing that too becuase we all know you will.

  35. Geoff Says:

    im going to try and focus on howard because its more likely, actually very likely if you understand the phillies ownership mentality. rollins probably isnt going anywhere. i thought hed try to talk his way out of town, and he still may, but he hasnt said anything in a while.

  36. Geoff Says:

    actually, no, because trading him for less than hes worth in your eyes is WORSE than keeping him around.

  37. Geoff Says:

    griffin..adam eaton and geoff jenkins dont count. thats dead money.

  38. mikemike Says:

    GeoffSays could you please shows us were the phillies said that they would be shopping howard. I believe you made it up they would never say that, They still have him for almost three season,and anyone who wants to replace jimmy rollins with donald is crazy. I follow the minors and the draft and donald is been more than any one expect. But jimmy rollins is one of the best shortshops in the game. The problem is they have him leading off he is a three or five hole hitter. but so is utley, werth. This off season the phillies need to get a stud outfielder, someone like holiday and a better hitting third basemen,a stud starter. But with this cheap basta## owners it will never happen.If you add sheets ,holiday and farnworth plus replace the catcher position with marson I would go to war with that team.

  39. Phil Says:

    We have the 14th highest payroll, but the organization has spent enough to be top 10. Next year they will when Hamels, Victorino, etc. get arbitration.

  40. Don M Says:

    anytime they add players that don’t work out… its because the GM and the owners and trainers are all the worst in baseball.

    But when they get production out of Dobbs, Werth, Victorino, etc… its LUCK according to most of the guys on here.

    If anyone thought that Jenkins would have this bad a season, or Werth would have this good of a season… that means you are psychic and you should tell me what the PowerBall numbers will be tonight

  41. RiVLez Says:

    The Phillies have the 13th largest payroll at $98 mill.

  42. Griffin Says:

    well, there’s a difference between being cheap and wasting money. The organization has been both, but I don’t think they’re SO cheap. Their payroll is right around where it should be, I just wish they didn’t waste in on Eaton and Jenkins.

    The nucleus of this team is in their prime. This is a win now team, if this doesn’t work, then in 2 years, you can trade everyone, blow it up and restock the farm system, but not this offseason. Not in a season where they’ll miss the playoffs by only 2 or 3 games.

  43. mikemike Says:

    Phil remember burrell plus gordon tuguski equals about twenty one million dollars.

  44. Phil Says:

    Don M I knew Werth would have this good of a season, and I said from the getgo that there was no need for Jenkins because Werth is an everyday player. He can only hit righties if he faces them which he doesn’t. Now he is facing them and he’s hitting them.

  45. Geoff Says:

    but its actually 83mm if you take away jenkins and eaton and its 77mm if you take away the 6mm still owed to thome. so its a 77mm payroll.

  46. Geoff Says:

    i have liked what weve seen from werth this year. he can move ower to left field next year when they trade ryan howard and resign burrell to play firstbase.

  47. Griffin Says:

    But it’s not like they’re only spending 77 million. They’re spending more than that, it’s just that they’re not spending wisely.
    Also, what team doesn’t have a bad contract or two? The Muts wasted money on El Duque and Moises Alou this year…

  48. RiVLez Says:

    I agree with Griffin this is a team that needs a few additions through FA and not trading away Howard or Rollins. This a good team that can be great REAL quick. If the Phillies can get someone of C.C.’s caliber that will change everything.

  49. Geoff Says:

    what has geoff jenkins shown you before this season taht he was worth the money they gave him? declining numbers, less production, aging player who was never a superstar…gets 5mm this year and 7mm next year? what? are you serious?

  50. Georgie Says:

    So a team with a , what is it, top 5 in attendance, has a payroll of under 100mm? I’m so sick of the Phillies’ “self-imposed salary cap”.

  51. Don M Says:

    I think a couple times in the past few seasons, they’ve been like 6th, 8th, etc.. in terms of payroll..

    They can’t compete with some of those teams in the bigger markets.. and if signing Kyle Lohse to a 4 year $40 Million… and Aaron Rowand to a 5 year, $60 Million deal would have put them in the top-10 in payroll… it wouldn’t have been a smart move

    Victorino is having a better year than Rowand ($9,120,000 less this season).. and Lohse started GREAT, but the Cards are 2- 7 in his starts since the All-Star break

  52. RiVLez Says:

    Griffin as a Mets fan, I was pissed when Minaya signed El Duque and Alou. Who didn’t know they would be injured?!?! Waste of money in my opinion.

  53. mikemike Says:

    Sorry phil meant to say this team will have at least twenty one coming off the books plus some other smaller contracts. Do you think they will spend like a big market team.All the sellouts mean nothing to these owners. Remember they were getting paid as a small market team before they build the stadium. How did they sell themselves as small market. The only thing I could think of is giles still from his fathers days of league president had connection and sold the league on it. I might be wrong but I believe they are the biggest market in baseball without two teams. until this team is sold we are only going to win if we find lighting in a bottle like the giants last year. what i mean is we need to get some unbelievable luck to win.

  54. Geoff Says:

    they arent going to SIGN someone of CC’s caliber, you have to trade for them. maybe you can sign someone like that if you clear out some more of that junk salary lying around there. thats the problem with free agency. you pick up trash instead of gold sometimes. and that trash sits in your pocket for years and takes up enough room to prevent you from keeping the newly minted gold coins in your pocket.

    my point is you only have 77mm of real players. players who, like, you know, contribute something, anything.

    actually, wait, 76mm, because So taguchi makes 1mm.

  55. RiVLez Says:

    Geoff I disagree with you completely. You can not expect them to get rid of Howard and then add pitching and be better. How does this make them better?!?! No one on the Phillies is going to put up the #’s he does.

  56. Griffin Says:

    yeah, all the Mets fans loved Minaya getting El Duque 3 years ago, but he got hurt before their playoff run in ‘06, was hurt most of ‘07 and all of ‘08. Overall, that trade was a disappointment b/c of the money wasted on him. RiVLez, do you think they’re picking up Delgado’s option?

  57. Geoff's keyboard Says:

    Help me. I never get a break. All Geoff does his type all day.

  58. Geoff Says:

    thatd be cool if we had a crosstown rival in the AL. like the oakland athletics. beat up on them and talk trash during interleague play.

    they NEED to sell the team. if ed snider bough this team, someone who is better sutied to run a pro sports team, id be elated.

  59. mikemike Says:

    Don they were as low as twenty eight five years ago never in top ten you have your facts wrong. even with attendance up and new stadium still a lot of teams outspend them in draft. international market, they only want to be competative.

  60. Geoff's life Says:

    Has anyone found me? I’ve been lost for quite some time.

  61. Geoff Says:

    cheap shots are for losers who cant win arguments.

  62. The letter J Says:

    Geoff, if you need me, I’m there for you.

  63. Don M Says:

    EVERY TEAM makes a few bad decisions on contracts… if there was a team that didn’t, they would constantly win the World Series. You think the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, etc. .. are all happy with some of the moves they’ve made over the years?

    Jenkins last year, hit .255, 21 HR, 64 RBIs
    in 2006… hit .271, 17 HR, 70 RBIs
    in 2005… hit .292, 25 HR, 86 RBIs

    So if he got the 450+ at bats he’s used to, im sure he would be around 15-20 HR and 60+ RBI numbers that he’s used to.

    Considering the average MLB salary is over $3 Million per season… and this is a guy with proven power, and experience.. $5 M per year isn’t as bad as you want it to be

  64. RiVLez Says:

    Griffin if you asked me 2 1/2 months ago if they were going to pick up Delgado’s option, I would’ve said hell no. In the past 2 1/2 months he has lead MLB in both HR and RBI’s and will most likely get his option picked up by the Mets now. I can deal with him. As long he can put up .250/25/90 i’m happy.

  65. RiVLez Says:

    I think Jenkin’s was a stupid move by Gillick as I don’t think they even needed him.

  66. Geoff Says:

    all jenkins did was prevent young players from coming up and getting playing time, like golson.

  67. mikemike Says:

    Now that’s interestring 12million for a 250 25hr. 90 rbi. and we are letting burrell go who has better numbers, at a little more.

  68. Joe Says:

    I was at CBP last week when I overheard some guy yelling that Tom Burgoyne was doing a lousy job as the Phanatic and the Phillies needed to trade him immediately. I went up and said, “Hi, you must be Geoff.”

  69. Geoff Says:

    because our owners are cheap. if they werent, we wouldnt be talking about trading ryan howard or jimmy rollins or anyone like that. they could ust pay adam eaton and geoff jenkins off TODAY and cut them.

  70. Griffin Says:

    just like the Yankees cut Carl Pavano and the Giants cut Barry Zito….

  71. RiVLez Says:

    Me personally I would not get rid of Burrell even for the $14 million he makes. I believe it’s harder to find 1B than it is outfielders. I don’t think the Mets will even attempt to go after Texeira and they will resign Delgado.

  72. Don M Says:

    2003 the Phillies were 9th in Payroll at $95+ Million

    2004 the Phillies were 5th in Payroll at $93+ M

    2005 the Phillies were 5th in Payroll at $95+ M

    2006 the Phillies were 13th in Payroll at $88+ M

    2007 the Phillies were 14th in Payroll at $89+ M

    ….

  73. KM Says:

    If a team comes up and offers a solid number 2 starter, a top prospect, and a few mid-level prospects under 23, I will drive Howard to the airport.

    I like Howard as a person, but he kills our offensive flow, and can’t defend the position. Utley getting thrown out at the plate last night helped Ryan Howard save face, because he was getting ready to strike out again.

    Jenkins was a waste, hopefully he never finds his way back to the big league roster.

  74. RiVLez Says:

    Hey at least you guys aren’t the Tigers who have the second highest payroll and suck terribly.

  75. Don M Says:

    this year, they are 13th in payroll at $98+

    So since 2003 they average between 9th and 10th in payroll, which is where they should be.

  76. KM Says:

    Those payroll stats Don M posted say it all . . . by 2013 they will be lingering somewhere around number 20, and we are a top 5-10 market.

    I wish Mark Cuban would come in here and buy the Phillies. Hopefully someone outbids him for the Cubs(not likely) and he has a chance to come this way(doubt it).

  77. RiVLez Says:

    KM I think that’s all the Phillies can get for Howard. I really don’t see them getting an ace for Howard. If Ryan Howard had even a .280 BA and 50 less SO’s with a .380-390 OBP, it would dramatically improve his trade value. He does not have that much value right now as many might think.

  78. Don M Says:

    Golson struggled at AA-Reading this year.. WTF makes you think he was ready to come up this year to the big leagues??

    Thats just stupid… for an average of $6 Million per season, they bought Golson two years of time to get himself ready in the minors..

  79. Griffin Says:

    agreed Don M, that IS where they should be. They shouldn’t be competing with baseball mad cities like NY in payroll. Every team makes mistakes (Eaton, Jenkins) but that doesn’t mean you cut them, eat up ALL their salary and move on. Thank Goodness the Phillies front office didn’t read this blog earlier in the year when certain people wanted Myers cut right away.

  80. KM Says:

    I’d still trade Myers in the off-season, he is a ticking time-bomb. Watching him in the dugout makes me truly believe he will end up in a mental institution before it is all said and done.

  81. Don M Says:

    They’ve been cutting back salary to guys like Wagner, Thome, and such because their payroll will jump with Hamels, Victorino, Howard,etc next year…

    when you have a platoon, you need to look at the total production from that position, so out of their RF platoon guys this year, for $6.7 Million :

    .262 Avg, 30 HR, 85 RBIs, 82 Runs scored..

    Could be worse if you ask me

  82. RiVLez Says:

    Golson is not that great. He strike out 97 times in 309 AB’s. That’s a Ryan Howard pace. That’s all you guys need to kill rallies, 2 guys who strike out like crazy.

  83. Don M Says:

    If he ends up in the mental instituion with the same type of numbers he’s posted since he returned from the minors.. i’d be fine with that!

  84. Georgie Says:

    I think someone’s been tinkering with Myers’ meds.

  85. Geoff Says:

    im not as mad at myers, hes signed for one more year. hell probably resign for a decent price. if hes right hes relaly a good 3rd guy.

  86. RiVLez Says:

    I think FA is the only way to improve. The Phillies does not have this “Great” talent in the minors waiting to come up. Happ is the best the have in the minors and should’ve pitched more this year.

  87. Griffin Says:

    yeah, there are some improvements from the minors, but they’re not big time. Carassco can hopefully take over Kendrick’s rotation spot, Happ can be a bullpen arm, Lou Marson will be in the catcher’s mix and Golson can take over the So Taguchi role of pinch runner/defensive replacement/terrible hitter.
    I think they’ll re-sign Burrell, the on base machine.

  88. Geoff Says:

    right but golsons only going to get better with major league playing time. if he really is a fraud then you can package him in a trade for a better outfielder. you dont urinate away money on geoff jenkins. or adam eaton. trash.

  89. Geoff Says:

    i really do think kendrick will lose his spot permanently next season unless he really improves in the offseason.

  90. Geoff Says:

    i think theyll only take it away from him for a start or two this season

  91. Geoff's boyfriend Says:

    Stop writing to Geoff, he won’t cuddle with me anymore unless I wear by Chase Utley jersey and blog with him. I’m worried about what is going to happen to him when the Mets win.

  92. Griffin Says:

    why would anyone want to trade for Greg Golson? Ed Wade already took Michael Bourn off our hands, lightning can’t strike twice, can it?

  93. Geoff Says:

    only pieces of shit take cheap shots at people.

  94. KM Says:

    Golson has more power than Bourn ever did. I think Golson can be worked with. All he really has to do is improve his OBP, because the natural tools are all there.

  95. Richie Allen Says:

    Who is doing the Geoff “alter ego “stuff?…..

  96. Richie Allen Says:

    I still think we cant lose Rollins ,just for the fact that he is a tremendous defensive force….and ,as someone noted here,maybe he isnt a leadoff hitter..hit him 6th.
    But as opposed to what I thought earlier in the year,Howard puts up numbers but they are usually never in pressure situations.(He also isnt the best defensive 1st baseman).He usually strikes out when you need him to hit.I am now thinking- trade him before he gets a shitload of money in arbitration.
    I just wonder what a good contact guy would have done in his place this year..He sure missed a lot of RBI opportunities this year,despite his numbers

  97. Geoff Says:

    howard should have like 140 rbi already with all the chances hes had.

    i like his production, but he really is the strikeout king and you cant have that. you jsut cant. theyre not going to want to give him 14mm in arb next year.

  98. RiVLez Says:

    Rollins 6th?? That is the worst thing I have ever heard. He needs to be batting 2nd. He would be an EXCELLENT no. 2 hitter. He gets on base a good amount and has great speed on the bases.

  99. Richie Allen Says:

    RiVLez..Sorry I meant hit him 6th when he is slumping..not now..like when he went through that bad stretch.

  100. mikemike Says:

    I am just learning about baseball. But I Always thought a number two hitter should be able to bunt[rollins doesn't] should be able to hit behind runner[rollins can't] take pitches and work walks rollins wont do that.give himself up to move runners any way you can.

  101. mikemike Says:

    Don can you tell me where you got the payroll figure,

  102. Don M Says:

    I went to google… typed in MLB Payrolls… and whatever year I was looking for.

    I got a couple from ESPN, one of the years was from FoxSports..etc… whatever came up first in google is the one I checked.

  103. mikemike Says:

    thank Don M

  104. mikemike Says:

    I can’t believe they were at one time fifth in payroll. I know in 2003 major league baseball gave them eleven million as a small market. for three straight years they got part of the luxury tax, I don’t believe they should be lower than six in payroll. Only boston new york chicago but they spit the market and los angeles should be able to beat them to players.But this is about spending what it takes to win getting the right gm. in place better scouts. A committment from the owners to go after top talent. The part that get me is if they went out and spent more most people wouldn’t complain about tickets prices if we knew they were really trying to win. Why can’t they go after a sheets or burnett this year. and a top outfielder they could add thirty million more and still make money. Even if they lost money for a couple of years remember they are sitting on over four hundred million dollar profit from what they paid to what it’s worth.

  105. Don M Says:

    New York Yankees, New York Muts, Chicago Cubs, Chicago WhiteSox, LA Dodgers, LA-Anaheim Angels, Dallas = Texas Rangers,

    That doesn’t count Boston, Phoenix, Detroit, Houston…. all cities that either have their own Network (Atlanta Braves had all that TBS money).. or teams that are in more populated places.

    Phillies are around where they should be

  106. mikemike Says:

    Dom M with thinking like that that’s why we have one championship. I Will tell you a little story of a owner who wanted to win the owner of diamonbacks jerry C. [excuse me can't spell his name right] he borrowed money from the league office to win a pennant. He at one time owed one hundred and ten million dollars.But he was committed to winning and did what it took so don’t tell me the phillies can’t do more. Chicago splits there market detroit isn’t near our market ,texas has been cutting expense. and I will say it again they payed thirty million for a team worth almost half billion. You can talk about other markets but the fact remains we are the fourth or fifth largest market. we border four states. Why can’t they generated more revenue. They are cheap bastard and only a handful of people like you believe the bull shit that they have budjects and all the other crap.so go ahead and tried to justifey what they do but 8 out of 10 know its bullshit. They just want to be in race without spending over budject screw the people is there logo.

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