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32 Responses to “Hamels’ Stoicism Is No Problem”

1. KM Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

   I agree with this completely. The best judge of what Cole Hamels’ body can take is Cole, even if he is a bit of a prima donna.

2. Don M Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

   Donnellon is just angry because he sucks as a sportswriter, and he’s the one guy from the DailyNews that people don’t pay any attention to

3. Richie Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

   Ok, I understand both sides on this. I just think Donnellon worded it badly. I respect Cole’s way of judging his own body and Tim about the pitcher’s nowadays needing more rest to prevent injury, but the problem is that while being cautious a month ago was fine and that is what Cole wanted and he got the extra day. Now he knows as well as everyone else knows we need him in this spot, so why not say “Hell yeah I want the ball, we are in a pennant race and it is the last month of the year and we are playing the team we are up against in this race Sunday. Of Course I am taking that ball Sunday.” I know that would be Brett Myers’ answer, you can take that to the Bank. (No pun intended)

4. Don M Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

   Jesus christ… are we really having articles and debates about whether Cole Hamels did, or did not DEMAND the ball on Sunday…. He’s pitching in the game isn’t he??

   If he didn’t want to, I could see causing a stir.. but its guys like him that make Philly sports miserable sometimes… how far can you reach to come up with a story, seriously..

5. Mike N Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

   This post is spot-on. I read the Donnelon article this morning and thought, for God’s sake, Hamels pitches his guts out every time he goes out there, gets no run support, and still comes back the next game with just as much focus and determination. He’s one of the best in the league, and he has been fantastic this year. There is no reason for the press to call him out!

6. Mr Met Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

   let’s face it. the ony reason you finished first
   last year was because it was handed to you.
   believe me, it won’t happen again.
   how do you like second place?
   get used to it.

7. Don M Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

   Mr Met has a big head

8. Richie Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

   Mr. Met check out the last comment i wrote on the last post and let me know how egg feels on your face?

9. RiVLez Says:
   September 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

   Mr Met you are just being stupid. Are you also a fortune teller like Richie is? This is a great time of year and close division race that I think is really interesting. This is why I love baseball!

10. Chili Davis Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Hey Phillies fans Phillies are done lets talk McNabb

11. Yes Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    very good idea Chili Davis McNabb is pretty good this year I like Hank Basket.

12. Chili Davis Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Me to I like Booker to I think he is going to over take Westbrook

13. Yes Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    I like dogs and cats and ice cream cones

14. M. McNabb Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Hey leave me out of this talk this is a Phillies Blog no Football on here.

15. MikeD Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    i think sam donnellon needs to do a bit of research. I read over on the good phight about something called the “verducci effect.”

    I find it kind of ominous and scary that hamels is even tentative about pitching in these situations. there’s pretty good evidence suggesting that this verducci effect could hit our man, cole, next year. It’s such a tough, fine balance. i mean, i want to win now as badly as everyone else, but i’m not so sure i’d want to do it at the expense of our ace.

    here are some links for reference:

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=Verducci+Effect

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_verducci/02/05/verducci.YAE/index.html

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2008/9/4/607530/cole-hamels-and-the-verduc

16. Mr Met Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    it won’t be long before the eagles chants
    start. cry eagles cry!

17. Don M Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    so wait, are you a Jets fan or a Giants fan…. or do you need to wait to see who’s better after week #10 first?

18. Mr Met Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    you’re the front runners. your own hero said so!

19. Don M Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Patriots? Colts? Cowboys??

20. Fred Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    I had no problems with the article. It’s just one man’s opinion. I do think he raised some valid points though.

21. J-Man Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    It’s weird you write this article because i was just thinking the other day about them not giving Hamels the extra day off and was saying man i hope Cole doesn’t end up being the next Mark Prior…But yea Dusty Baker ruined Mark Prior and Kerry Wood because when he was there they alway threw well over 100 pitches a game.

22. Fred Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Do pitches have a pattern of breaking down under Baker? Could it be these two guys just broke down? I’m thinking 300 innings over a two year period doesn’t seem reckless.

23. AGH Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    I can see the Phils sweeping this weekend and still losing the division by 4 games. They have repeatedly failed to seize the moment after crucial wins against the Mets: witness the 6-run 9th in the first game of the last series at Shea and the extra-innings miracle last week in Philly. After both of those “season-changing” wins, the Phils proceeded to lose three straight. For whatever reason, this team doesn’t have it this year.

    In April and May, it “was early.” In June and July we were still leading the East, so the inconsistent play “didn’t matter” and the hitting “would come around eventually.” After a bumpy August the bullpen looks mortal and notice should be sent out team-wide: EVENTUALLY IS NOW. The pieces are there, but for whatever reason they’re not firing together. I have to feel that Rowand is that missing piece.

24. mikemike Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Anyone who answers the mets fans should be banned from this site. Let them go on mets blogs. just ignore them please

25. RiVLez Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    mikemike don’t be so tough, calm down

26. Andy Reid Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Just 3 more days until you guys start hating me again.

27. philsphan Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Go Padres! Maybe we actually have a shot at the wild card.

28. RiVLez Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    I would love to see the Brewers fail 2 years in a row. Would be pretty interesting. Now how would a NLCS with the Mets vs Phillies be!!

29. SJ Mike Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Hate to admit it, but RiVLez, an NLCS between us would be one hell of a series, regardless of the outcome.

30. matthew vandusen Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    I think at this point phillies and mets fans would be happy with making the playoffs who cares who wins the divison

31. Ryk Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    “In April and May, it “was early.” In June and July we were still leading the East, so the inconsistent play “didn’t matter” and the hitting “would come around eventually.” After a bumpy August the bullpen looks mortal and notice should be sent out team-wide: EVENTUALLY IS NOW.”

    Fantastic insight, AGH. Every game matters. Every game. Every……game. Look at the last 4 years and how the division and wildcard races have ended. That “unimportant loss” to the Pirates 3 years ago lost us the shot at playing in October. Last year, some “insignificant because there are still 5 months to play” win in May won the Phils the division. This isn’t the AL where the playoff grid has all but already been determined. We are lucky enough to be watching our boys playing for the shot at October baseball. It’s still up in the air and will be so until the last out of the last inning of the last game. And people here in Canada think baseball is boring. Hosers.

32. Rick Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    This weekend’s series is what baseball is all about. I expect an action packed series that is going to come down to who’s bullpen holds up better.

    As of late, that doesn’t bode well for us, but the off day should help. Charlie needs to use Eyre as the setup man! He deserves the role.

    GO PHILLIES! EVERYBODY HITS….WOOoooo HOOooooo!!!

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