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31 Responses to “Respect For Moyer Never Gets Old”

1. Phil Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am

   I’d welcome Moyer back here to pitch as long as he feels that he is able to do it. I trust his judgment. I wouldn’t even care if he was posting a 5.00+ ERA. What he brings to the team is immeasurable. He is constantly helping out the young guys. He brings veteran leadership. He seems to be somewhat of a clubhouse leader. Everyone respects him and looks up to him. He is always going to go out there and give it his 100%. He mans up in big games. He went out there and threw 7 scoreless against the Mets and then 5 2/3 ip 3 runs against the Brewers last night in a huge game against one of the best pitchers in baseball. I don’t know where to find the stats on this, but I bet you there’s a good chance he is in the top 10 in the NL for quality starts this year.

2. Georgie Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 10:02 am

   Moyer is our Yoda.

3. PhillyFriar Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 10:09 am

   Behind the Lidge trade, Moyer is probably the best move Gillick has made as Phillies GM.

   The title really says it all, Tim. I’ll be devastated if he’s not in red pinstripes again next year.

4. Brian Michael Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 10:15 am

   I think a telling sign is that he and Sheets both went into last night’s game 13-7. People are always lauding Sheets (though he does have a smaller ERA), while Moyer is quietly winning 14 games for the Phils. That is the kind of production a team needs in the rotation. He is a solid stater and with the resurgent Myers and Hamels in the front of the rotation, that’s a top 3 I’d put up against anyone.

5. Matt Kwasiborski Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 10:17 am

   They need to bring Moyer back as player/coach next year.

6. Frank Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 10:49 am

   If Moyer has a 5+era what is the point of having him other than pitching coach. Thats just assanine with young guys like carrasco and happ waiting to get their shot. Not saying that i think too highly about their chances of doing that this year or next year, but if Moyer can pitch like this than yes, he is a great third option behind two of the games top pitchers at the moment.

7. Jack Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am

   Perhaps his quote was a wake up call/subtle hint to Kendrick?

8. Steve Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 11:06 am

   Jamie Moyer has become one of my favorite Phillies of all time, if not my favorite. You can have your Chase Utleys and Ryan Howards, your Darren Daultons and Lenny Dykstras, and your Mike Schmidts and Steve Carltons, they’re all fine and good. Give me Jamie Moyer, the 45 year old guy who could have retired a decade ago, slinging 70 mph junk and getting the job done. I was not even two years old on Jamie’s June 1986 debut, and 21 years later the guy leads the Phillies in wins. It’s like something out of a Disney movie. Even if he’s just a serviceable #5 guy I’d definitely want to see him back next year, and if not I’d definitely want to see him coaching here.

9. Don M Says:
   September 12th, 2008 at 11:13 am

   Me thinking on Sheets last night, was although it was great to beat win and get the win… will this small parl prevent him from wanting to pitch here? Or would $15 – $17 Million per season make you not care where the hell you pitch??

10. NJ Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Stability, leadership, true veteran presence behind servicable performance on the mound. The bullpen will feature heavily when Moyer pitches but his implosions are so and far between that if everyone around holds up their end of the bargain you can chalk up a win. Moyer is an incredibly important feature and is virtually irreplacable because opponents see that name and suddenly their skills are diminished, how can you prepare against a guy who’s twice as prepared as you are who has made a career of executing his gameplan. Remember moneyball, in his late thirties he drew high praise for his ability to compete and in his mid forties he shows no signs of not being able to pitch like he has during his tenure in Philly.

    Next year when he hits 250 wins he’ll get himself on that HOF ballot, the Seattlefest hasn’t exactly made this team into a legitmate contendor but Moyer along with Romero has given this staff some professional respectability which it lacked for a long long time.

11. Evan Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Moyer doesn’t throw a ton of first pitch strikes and he gets into deep counts over and over again. I know this is because he is a finesse pitcher, but damned if he doesn’t scare the crap out of me some innings.

    But even though he can give up a fair amount of walks when the umpire isn’t calling the pitches his way, when there are men in scoring position in a tight spot he manages to stay confident and pitch his way. Moyer is just mentally tough. When you watch him pitch you can’t help but be a fan.

12. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Me… My* …its all the same. holla fa sho

13. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    as a baseball fan.. i’d so much rather watch Moyer, Greg Maddux, Hamels, Santana… instead of Beckett, Randy Johnson, etc..

    watching pitchers make hitters look foolish is amazing. 96mph heaters are cool too, but not as fun as seeing an old man throw 70mph to major league hitters, and knowing that the hitters are completely overmatched

14. NJ Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    It’s not just 15-17m with Sheets (who’s growing on me as he’ll pitch 200 in a year he hasn’t been completely healthy) is not the full story, if your Houston, the Dodgers or even the Mets you see this guy as an instant fix without caring about the long-term implications. Are we sorry now we didn’t land Soriano because it’ll be the same situation, someone’s going to be willing to tack on that extra year or guarantee more money and is Sheets really the guy? Maybe with Myers departing into FA you take a chance but I don’t know… FA is a crapshoot and what is better for us? The hope that a guy like Sheets takes us over the top or looking to building the kind of farm that made Milwaukke this competitive?

15. MA Phanatic Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    I know Howard is leading the league in Hrs and RBIs, and Lidge is perfect in Save opps, but doesn’t Moyer deserve some team MVP consideration this year? I mean this guy has been a savior to our starting rotation. Him and Brett Myers circa July-present

16. MA Phanatic Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    oh and I’ve been thinking about the Mets team MVP as well. While I considered Carlos Delgado, I ultimately decided their team MVP should be Kyle Kendrick..thoughts?

17. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Our farm is what made us this competitive.. Howard, Utley, Rollins, Burrell, Hamels, Myers.. are the core of this team. I think Burrell is gone after this year though

18. NJ Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Moyer is the team MVP by a longshot, Hamels has pitched a fantastic year but Moyer has excelled past expectations. A 3.5 ERA with 14 wins with a couple to throw aged 45 is as mindblowing as Lincecums entrance into the majors.

    Moyer’s been good for most of his career but has been nothing short of great this year and that word gets watered down used so much, but he’s had a legitimately great year.

19. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Someone posted late last night asking me who my favorite Phil is. Prior to this season I would have said Jimmy, hands down. But his lax attitude at times this year has me reconsidering that. I too would probably have to say Moyer, he is an enigma, don’t think there’s another player out there with his work ethic.

    I noticed a sort of confused look on Sheets’ face when he came out of the game, maybe rethinking his possibility of coming to our “bandbox”???

20. NJ Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    I’ve coming to the feeling were under a new farm to the Howard/Utley era. Have tried to dig up more information on the VPs overseeing the scouting/development and it’s hard to tell who’s responsible for the positives and should bear responsiblity for the failings. Since Utley we’ve had three prospects feature for more than a cup of coffee and all were emergency injury call-ups in Hamels, Kendrick and Zagurski.

    As it stands we cannot field a legitimate replacement for Burrell as Golson’s bat is nowhere near ready to get his legs into the game consistently, our bullpen has 3 departing free agents and Madson creeping very close with only 1 minor leaguer in sight who hasn’t pitched in a very long time. Our insurance for Howard is in A-ball and was a lucky find and the rest of our prospects are either starting pitching with no spots or CFers very similar to Golson. We have some really good looking prospects and Lakewood/Clearwater/Reading look good places to develop prospects but many elements of the farm are a real mess. Thoughts?

21. Paul Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Even though he isn’t someone that blows guys away, I love watching hitters flail away at Moyers pitches. Kudos to him for putting together a long and very successful career. Here is hoping that he sticks around a little longer, and finally get to pitch in a World Series.

22. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    You can’t hold it against Golson that he isn’t ready yet… but the smart thing to do with Golson is WAIT until he is ready to come up… which could be next year if he plays in the fall league and winter leagues.. and impresses at Spring Training.. but will more likely be sometime mid-season or to start 2010.

    The Phillies have used recent draftpicks to bring in top-athletes, which seems to be the way to win in baseball… 45 HRs are nice from your outfielders, but not if they never steal you any bases, or create any runs… so the Phillies now have a bunch of young guys with 20-20, or 30-30 potential… and a bunch of young pitchers that other teams would covet in their systems…

    I agree with someone saying that the Bell and Gordon signings cost them those draft picks.. BUT.. Gordon was good overall.. AND.. most draft picks dont make the big leagues anyway, so its not as big a deal as we think

23. NJ Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Exactly I wouldn’t entertain the idea of writing Golson off but we cannot expect him to be ready to be an everyday major league player in ‘09, it could pay divident if we leave him maturing until he reaches the age and baseball experience of a guy like Ellsbury.

    The gripe I have with the Phils drating these athletes is their not drafting the high end ballplayers but stats kids, they coverted Alex Rios so now their trying to re-create him but their missing getting guys with the ability to handle the bat and play with the right attitude, saying you’ll do anything for the team and then breaking your nose or scraping your knee in the dirt making contact on a 3-2 pitch in the 8th pitch of an AB are worlds apart. Marson’s the first real ballplayer coming through who’ll play the game right, I like kids like Golson and his clones in A-ball but there’s no telling if their going to be able to handle the bat any better as they progress through the minors. I also really wonder where the other prospects are… The live bullpen fitting arm, corner infield and outfielders… We have a lot of starters, catchers and centrefielders but were not addressing needs and a 20/20 guys not going to offset the loss of a 30-40HR bat if he can’t get on base enough to make the rest of his game compensate the loss. Does anyone not think trading Outman was a big mistake?

    Getting a little off-track so back to Moyer…

24. Julie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I’d definitely welcome Moyer back as a player/coach. He seems like a decent guy even though he went to St. Joes. Bri or Tim – Not sure if you did this, but maybe we can put up a link for the Man of the Year ballot? Moyer certainly seems deserving for his work on and off the field.

25. NJ Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Been reading a lot about Don Mattingley during the end of his time with the Yanks, makes me think of Moyer. The current crop fo players has been so fortunate to have a true old schooler around and above all healthy. Kendrick wouldn’t have lasted more than a cup of coffee if it wasn’t for the presence of Moyer and Cole would probably be still struggling to breakout.

26. Georgie Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Julie, yes I would definitely say Moyer has to be Man of the Year, he’s always talking to the younger pitchers during warm-ups and games, but sometimes I wonder if they listen to what he has to say.

27. Don M Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Outman has not done anything to impress me. They only wanted to keep him around as a bullpen guy anyway.. and they traded him for Blanton, who is currently your #4 pitcher… who, again, I think is better than the #4 pitcher on most other teams..

28. Philly Dude Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    o yeah Moyers done wonders with Kendrick..

29. d marley Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Moyer has been outstanding, just a pleasure to watch. Gets my vote for team MVP. And they better bring him back or I’m kidnapping the Phanatic’s mom.

30. Geoff Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    see now that qualifies as old man strength. a 46 year old man, pitching on 3 days rest, goes out there and gets it done. then after the game is like: “arr, somebody had to pitch tonight, might as well have been me. someone had to step up.” awesome.

31. gplad Says:
    September 14th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    MY MVP

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