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35 Responses to “Rosenthal: Phils, Burrell Want To Stay Together”

1. Fred Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am

   Take Burrell’s $17 mil and sign a top notch pitcher. With the emergence of Werth and if Utley returns to form we have enough offense. Plus everyone knows Marson will hit .300 with 30 HRs and 110 RBIs.

2. Phil Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am

   Hopefully they’ll expand to $125 million after selling out almost every game this year.

3. Phil Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 11:42 am

   Marson will not hit 30 home runs… I’m assuming that was sarcasm.

4. Fred Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am

   Phil, you are correct. It just seems most people think Marson is the second coming of Carlton Fisk – I’m skeptical. I personally think the payroll will remain basically the same.

5. Jamie Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am

   Fred, I thought he was going to hit 40 HR / .325 BA / 125 RBI and 20 SBs. All from the 7 hole? On a serious note, I think it would be wise of them to resign Burrell, eat some additional salary for the year ($125 MM like Phil suggested), knowing that after next season, Eaton’s contract, Jenkins’ contract, Taguchi, and some others will be off the books. They could make it work, and STILL have money for a top notch pitcher. It just depends on whether the bosses are willing to open up the coffers for a year or two. Now, here comes Geoff with his reassurance that they won’t…

6. Mike Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 12:02 pm

   Isn’t there anyway the front office can recoup their investment in Eaton?

   Couldn’t they charge him with fraud? He was masquerading as a major league pitcher…

7. Jamie Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

   Mike, I wish they could, but no. The CBA makes the MLB different than the NFL in that teams can’t just cut players to save salary. When teams sign someone, they’re liable for the contract and money associated with it. That’s why they’re supposed to be careful in who they sign, and for what amount/term.

   Unfortunately we’re stuck with him. He will not pitch in important games (unless they’re blowouts), and will not be on the post season roster. Next year, it’s unlikely he’ll make the big league club, and could either be DFA’s or sent to the minors at that point, if he’s dumb enough to accept another minor league assignment. We’ll see.

8. Fred Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pm

   I just don’t understand all the hate directed towards Eaton. If you look at his stats they have been getting worse basically every year he’s been in the bigs. I believe he would like to be pitching well and in our starting lineup contributing but for whatever reason he’s lost it as a pitcher.

   I believe all this venom should be directed at the people that scouted him and signed him to $8 mil per year.

9. christopher Says:
   September 1st, 2008 at 12:40 pm

   hopefully it happens, i would love to see burrell stay a career phillie.

10. jay Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    imagine if the mets offer him a contract….would u think he will take it ?the mets do have alot of money

11. Fred Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    This will be Burrell’s last big contract. He’ll go for the gold – just like you or I would do.

12. Mickey D Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    I liked the move someone around here suggested that shifts Pat over to 1B and Holliday in LF. Victorino in CF, Werth in RF. Trade Howard and his lazy roommate.

13. Jamie Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    MIckey, if we could get Holliday for a good price (not having to give up an arm and a leg) and we could get a nice ramsom for Howard, I’d be okay with trading him – but we better get a nice 1B prospect, because Burrell’s no spring chicken. I don’t like getting rid of J-Roll at this point.

14. Ray Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    BIG DADDY MATT HOLLIDAY

15. philsphan Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Realistically Marson will hit .280 with about 15 HRs, about 70 RBIs and a really good OBP. For a starting everyday catcher nowadays, that is very good and most teams would love to have a catcher like that. I don’t think he is the next Bench, Fisk, or Piazza, but I think he will be a good everyday ML catcher. Certainly better than guys like Fasano, Barajas, and the Ruiz/Coste platoon. I love Coste, but even he has admitted that he just isn’t an everyday player and needs his rest to play his best game.

16. philsphan Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    I would like to see the Phillies sign Burrell, but as already said, if they do they won’t do anything else in FA unless they up the payroll, which they theoretically could do, but is something that this Front Office does not appear to want to do.

    The “trading Howard, getting Matt Holliday, re-signing Burrell to play first base” is interesting, but I doubt it would happen. I see the Phillies keeping Howard for at least one more season so they can try to sell high on him. Also if we would only get one year of Holliday. Who would play LF after 09 in that senario? We re-sign Holliday? We move Pat back to LF and get a first baseman?

    I am glad to hear that the Phillies are talking about bringing Burrell back, since earlier I heard reports theat they were seriously going to lowball him and there would be little chance of him coming back if they did.

17. joe Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Need to get rid of Howard prior to Arbitration. Nobody will want him at 15-16 million. And let them fight that battle. Get some good prospects to hand over to the Rockies. And give Holliday, the money Howard wants.

18. Jamie Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Just saw on ESPN that the Padres are going to release Taguchi. I wonder if he’d like to come back to the Phils to take over Bruntlett’s role. I saw ship Brunetlett off into the sunset if he’s willing to come back as a reserve player. He could fill in nicely at 3B, SS, or 2nd.

19. Jamie Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Santana v. Sheets today will be interesting, as well.

20. philsphan Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Jamie: Iguchi can only really play 2B. That said I wouldn’t mind if the Phillies got him since the rosters have now expanded. I would rather have Iguchi as a pinch hitter than Cervanek, Tracy, or dare I say… TJ Bohn.

21. Jamie Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Cervenak, Tracy, and Bohn do not exactly send shivers up my spine either. Well, they do, but because they’re shit. I like Taguchi’s offense, defense, and ability to play various infield positions, although he’s a natural 2B. I still think he’s better defensively than Bruntlett or Dobbs at 3rd, who are the ones spelling Feliz. And I’m not just talking this season – I’m also referring to next year as well.

22. Joey Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    It continually blows my mind that people want to trade Ryan Howard and oh just replace him. With who ? Who will replace those RBI and HR’s ? Not Matt Holiday ! Not anyone ! You just don’t replace those numbers and if you don’t think that RBI and HR’s are just interchangeable between players then you don’t know baseball.I see that people would rather keep Pat Burrell then Howard and that makes me really laugh. It took over twenty years to replace Mike Schmidt’s numbers in the Phillies line up and people want to throw it away. LOL !!!!

23. Bonezy Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Philsphan, I would think Golson would be ready by the time we need a left fielder don’t you?

24. KM Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Fred, nobody has ever said Marson will hit .300 with all that power. I would take .265 with 6-10 homers and 50 rbis as an improvement over the slop they throw out there currently.

25. fred Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Joey, Holliday will replace Howards production and then some. His batting average and OBP are significantly higher. And he dosn’t exactly lack power. We also become better defensively with Burrell at first and Holliday in left. Re-sign the bat !

26. Fred Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Who says Marson will be able to make the adjustment from AA to the bigs? Both Ruiz and Coste were .300 hitters in the minors and look now. He surely won’t be a better defensive catcher than Ruiz. Additionally, he has 10 GIDP in AA ball, that’s only one less than Ruiz at the major level. How many will he have with the big boys?

    Comparing Ryan Howard to Mike Schmidt is laughable. First off, Schmidt was a multiple Gold Glove winner. Not the same with stone hands Howard. Second, strikeouts. Much was made of Schmidt’s strikeouts, but for his career he averaged 104 per season. Howard’s astronomical rate is at 199 per season and rising. Additionally, Schmidt was Mr Clutch unlike Howard who went we really need him, i.e. the last ten games is batting .179 with 12 strikeouts in 39 ABs. The only areas Howard is like Schmidt is in HRs and RBIs and I wonder how many Howard would have hit in the canyons Schmidt had to hit in. Places like the Vet, Three Rivers, Candlestick, Riverfront and Olympic Stadium were nothing like the shoeboxes players hit in today. Unlike Schmidt, homeruns and RBIs are the only things Howard brings to the table.

27. J-Man Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Let Burrell go and go get us Matt Holliday…Pats almost 32 and is just having a good year this year and he’s already starting to come back to earth…Do we really wanna be stuck paying him 13 or 14 mil a year for another 4 or 5 years…I’d like to see Pat return,but i think they should take the money they’d give him and go spend it on somebody younger and better like Holliday.

28. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Does everyone forget that Holiday benefits from having the best hitters park in baseball as his home field?

    DId you also forget that his splits away from home are significantly lower in every aspect and that is why no other team gave him serious pursuit in the trade market.

    Holiday would not replace Howard’s number and he is frankly not worth the money. Instead we should try to pick up Sheets or CC, resign Pat for like $14 and hope Howard learns how to hit with the shift on

29. KM Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I prefer Holiday to Howard. Besides the fact that Howard is a below average fielder, while Holiday is an average left fielder; there is a huge difference in strikeouts: Holiday-87, Howard-178(and rising); there is a huge difference in batting average – Holiday-.334, Howard-.234(wow); Holiday can swipe 15-20 bags a year – Howard maybe 2. Historically, Howard does hit significantly more homeruns, but last year he had virtually the same number of rbi’s as Holiday, with 11 extra homeruns, while Holiday played for a less potent offense(statistically).

    Holiday would be just what this lineup could use over a guy like Howard, because he knows how to hit with runners on and makes the best of his rbi situations without having to hit a homerun.

30. KM Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Also, I probably wouldn’t be wrong if I said that CBP plays as a top 5 hitter’s ball park in all of MLB, so Howard benefits from that as well. Howard does hit most of his homeruns a mile, but the ones that barely go down the left field line would be warning track shots in most parks, and there have been quite a few of those homers this year.

31. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Correction CBP is not a top 5 hitters park, CBP is good for home runs but not really a great place to hit triples and doubles since the gaps are not that large. Coors Field has a huge outfield conductive for extra base hits, frankly strikeouts are just another form of an out and therefore don’t hold much back. Last year Holliday matched Howard’s RBI’s in a career year but since then Holliday has not put up those kind of number and probably never will again and that is why the Rockies are willing to trade him. Because they know he is not the player that he was last year.

32. Joey Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Hey Fred ! First off Howard is the Phillies best clutch hitter and has been the last three years. Just his RBI and HR’s compare to Schmidt ??? Another one that doesn’t know the game of baseball. That’s a pretty good stat to have in common. For all Howard ’s errors he hasn’t cost more then two games,that’s less then Chase Utley. Howard is the most prolific HR and RBI hitter in his first three years in the league that the Major Leagues have ever seen. He has won ROY and MVP and you know nothings think he is done. Too Funny ! You’ll have stop gap players every year at the 1st base position and will never find another like Ryan Howard. You people act like it’s your money paying Howard but you are all the first to say how cheap this ownership is. Trading Howard is the dumbest thing this franchise could ever do. Condoning it and thinking you could ever get equal worth in return is down right insane.

33. JeffR Says:
    September 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Please tell me Taguchi,Ruiz,or Bruntlett aren’t under contract for next year.
    I don’t want Burrell back either at any price. Better free agent outfielders available-Ibanez, Milton Bradley, Manny, even Abreu.

34. KM Says:
    September 2nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Matt Holiday’s stats 2005-2007:
    2005 – .307/147hits/19hr/87rbi/68runs/14sb in 479 plate appearances
    2006 – .326/196hits/34hr/115rbi/119runs/10sb in 602 plate appearances
    2007 – .340/216hits/36hr/137rbi/120runs/11sb in 636 plate appearances

    Holiday this year, with 23 games left, and a stint on the 15 day DL
    2008 – .332/157hits/24hr/78rbi/97runs/25sb in 473 plate appearances.

    Now explain to me how he is not the same player he has been in previous years. Besides a considerable drop in rbis, which could be contributed to a lack of a lead-off hitter that gets on base, and a consistent two-hole hitter in front of him, where are his stats any different?

    Look, anybody who thinks Howard is a better hitter than Holiday is misguided and delusional. Is Howard is a better homerun/rbi guy – yes, but a better hitter, no.

    To address something else – yes, a strikeout is just an out, as far as scoring a game goes. A strikeout is just an out when there is nobody on base. A strikeout means more than just an out when you have a runner on second with less that 2 outs, or a runner on third with less that 2 outs, etc. Howard doesn’t just strikeout in most situations, he cripples this team when he strikes out with runners on in key situations. He is the ultimate rally killer. He kills us in the field. All people want to see is the 450 foot shots he puts into left center field, and the hollow homerun/rbi stats, and they don’t want to look at these huge strikeout and errors in the field. Howard is Chris Webber on MLB – he puts up big numbers, but when it comes down to it, I don’t want Howard at the plate when the game is on the line(even though Howard has a lot of game winning homeruns), because I know that it will either be a homerun or strikeout, and he strikes out 5 times more often than he hits homeruns.

35. Геннадий Says:
    March 8th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Интересная идея. Только вот интересно сколько времени на это потрачено?

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