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33 Responses to “Lidge Finishes 4th In Cy Young Vote”

1. NEPA Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

   Pretty shocked he didn’t receive any votes at all. I guess they put a lot of emphasis on the W-L record, because Hamels was better than Webb in most categories.

2. Tim Malcolm Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

   Judging pitchers by wins and losses is a joke. Sometimes I can’t stand the win statistic.

3. T Marty Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

   well, betcha, no matter what Cole does next year because of the playoffs and world series he’ll get a vote or 2.

4. NJ Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

   Don’t think many fans are happy with the voting system for any awards right now, Lincecum was a worthy winner but on the whole the voting seems to be very erratic and few seem to vote against the bandwagon.

   I’d like to see the commisioners office come out and get proactive about the voting criteria before the core fans get more dissolusioned with the awards/HOF vote and all-star game… But nothing will happen, Seligs an empty suit and on the whole the baseball writers have about as much integrity as a gossip writer.

5. Jim Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

   If you guys are going to hate on W-L stats ( I do too) then you have to say that Santana deserved it, even over Hamels. Santana leads hamels, and most most pitchers in alot of categories. He still won a lot of games despite having a lot of them blown by his bullpen.

   In Lincecum’s defense though, he still lead the league in ERA+, perhaps the most valued statistic for a pitchers worth

6. Tim Malcolm Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

   Yeah, Santana and Lincecum are your 1 and 2, in whatever order you’d like. They were both outstanding and their numbers explain that. My ballot would’ve been:

   1. Johan Santana
   2. Tim Lincecum
   3. Brad Lidge

   And I would’ve wrestled with Lincecum and Santana for some time. EDIT: I chose Santana. Better ERA, more innings, more high-leverage situations, increased workload, spotlight on him all year. And yeah, Jim, Tim led the NL in ERA+, but by one point. That’s how close these two were. In such a tight call, I go with intangibles.

7. NEPA Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

   Certainly Jim. I have nothing against giving it to either Santana or Lincecum. It would be a close call but I think I would give the slight edge to Santana because he played in a much tougher division and was so key down the stretch for the Mets. After that I would go with Lidge and Hamels. Then Webb somewhere out of the top 4. Other than the 22 wins, I really don’t see anything overly impressive from Webb’s campaign compared to the other pitchers in the conversation.

8. JohnKruksLoveChild Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

   Lidge’s accomplishment was impressive, but it wasn’t *quite* what Gagne did when he won the Cy. It’s rare for a relief pitcher to win in the first place, Lidge probably would have had to top Gagne’s stats to really seal the deal.

   Realistically, all these awards are a dog and pony show. Just look at the series MVP awards, sure Hamels was great, but honestly Ruiz should have been a contender. He came up huge multiple times and shined at a moment the team really needed it. It was especially big from a player that you don’t necessarily expect to step up like that, and in fact struggled all season. However, MLB merchandising is not going to make millions selling Ruiz shirts, but they WILL rake it in on Hamels gear.

   It’s hard to take a lot of these awards seriously considering how often that kind of thing is a factor in the decisions.

9. Tim Malcolm Says:
   November 11th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

   And just for shoots and goggles, my AL Cy Young ballot is:

   1. Cliff Lee (CLE)
   2. Roy Halladay (TOR)
   3. Mike Mussina (NYY)

   Close one, but Lee wins. Just better overall numbers. Mussina deserves it over Jon Lester, K-Rod and Ervin Santana. Can’t put K-Rod’s inflated save numbers in my ballot.

10. Jim Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Interesting that all those favorites for the AL are not on playoff teams. In fact, 2 of them, Lee and Halladay, aren’t even on winning teams. If Lee wins I wonder if this will be the first time the Cy’s in both leagues went to teams who finished below 500

11. Jim Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Oops, just checked the standings again, should look, then speak.
    Toronto finished 86-76, and Cleveland finished 81-81 right at .500. Still pretty interesting that none of them are playoff contenders.

12. Tuck Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Who gives a rat’s ass?We’re the champions of baseball.We all know Lidge was more valuable to the Fightins than Lincecum or Santana were to their teams.We’re #1! Mets SUCK!!!!

13. Tuck Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    That’s right WORLD PH*CKING CHAMPIONS!

14. Manny Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Lincecum deserved it. No questions asked!

15. SJ Mike Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    I will say this. It is nice to sit back for once and be sort of indifferent about who wins because we’ve got the best hardware baseball can give out.

16. Robbi P Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?page=winterforecast/081111/phillies Did anyone else read this article? I find it hard to believe that the Phillies will be shipping Joe Blanton anywhere this year to make room for Kyle Kendrick.
    In all honesty I can see this move occurring since Kendrick is still very young and Joe Blanton just had an impressive postseason but my gut is telling me Fat Joe ain’t going anywhere.

17. ryan Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Santana getting any votes is an absolute joke. if he played for the texas rangers and had the same exact season nobody would have even noticed him.

18. SJ Mike Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Ryan, I wouldn’t say that. Take away the Mets’ horrendous bullpen, he wins a lot more games. He’s a damn fine pitcher.

19. Jim Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Agreed Mike, Santana was dominant all year long, especially in the 2nd half. He probably could have won 24 games if his bullpen didn’t blow it. Even without the “what-if” lines, his numbers are extraordinary.

    Robbi P- Klapsich is on crack, there are a number of things that he clearly has no idea waht hes talking about in that article. Not just the Kendrick comment, but also he talks about the possibility of Manny Ramirez in left, which we all know won’t happen

20. SJ Mike Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Kapsich has some head scratchers in that article for sure. I think the big red light should be who is free agent list on there marking Pedro Feliz. Feliz signed a 2 year contract with a 2010 club option.

    It may seem like a minor mistake, but he’s writing for the biggest sports media outlet in the country.

21. Amanda Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Hamels should of finished 3rd. No way Webb should have been that high in votes. Lincecum won, so thats all the matters cause he deserved it.

22. Jim Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Hamels was good this year, but he was hardly Cy worthy. You have to remember that despite popular belief, the ballots are cast just AFTER the regular season, BEFORE the playoffs begin, so his playoff performance was not considered.

23. NJ Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Hamels had an outside shot, he was right near the top in the majority of catagories and his WHIP was insanely low, a handful more runs behind him in some of those no decisions and tough losses and it would have been between him and Lincecum.

24. ryan Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Lidge was the Cy Young and the MVP this year. no doubt in my mind. nobody was more dominant, offensively or defensively .

25. Grrrumpy Miner Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    I’m happy that tuck has some kind of edumacation and can properly structure sentences “(Insert Team Here) sucks”.Wow how original and yet neanderthal.OK now that said,I am shocked that even Webb was in the mix Santana pitched with a lot of grit and could have won 20 games if not for that poison pen we had at Shea.Lincecum with a horrid team and gets the Cya Young is a complete shock,and the “experts” that garner votes should have given more votes for Lidge,however I guess they looked at K-Rod as the gold standard.

26. Amanda Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Jim, How was Hamels not top 5 Cy worthy??

    Im not counting postseason at all.

    3.09 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 227.1 IP, 196 SO. He was better than Webb!! He was a tiny better than Dempster.

    Don’t look at wins, thats a team stat.

    1) Timmy
    2) Johan
    3) Colbert

27. Grrrumpy Miner Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    As for Cole Hamels…..yes he earned his reputation in the playoffs,and yet is it me or were most of you guys hanging Hamels out to dry as late as early september after he faltered vs the Mets on that sunday night game saying Hamels wasn’t ready for prime time,and all of a sudden you feel he deserved the Cy Young?Hamels now in my book after the regular season is a formidable pitcher and should have a great 2009 and will win Cy within 3 years but wright now its not his time.

28. Jim Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Agreed Miner, the people that vote on the Cya are not complete idiots despite what people would have them believe. There were points during the season that Hamels wasn’t even the best pitcher on his own team must less in the national league.

29. Joshua Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    I think Webb shouldn’t of even been in contention, i easily see the top three as Santana/Linsecum (either or is fine for first) and Lidge.

30. Amanda Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I dont think anybody said Hamels deserved the Cy Young. Lincecum did. Im just saying he should have finished 3rd or 4th, in front of Webb.

31. Grrrumpy Miner Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Amanda….Hamels should have been 3rd or 4th? Now you are splitting hairs,20 years from now nobody is going to care who came in 2nd for the Cy Young award……Perfect example,what do Thomas Dewey (48),Adlai Stevenson(52/56),Alf Landon(36),Al Smith(28) and John Davis (24) have in common?You probably don’t know nor care but they are a handful of people who ran for president and lost at election time.Nobody remembers or cares who was the runner up let alone 3rd or 4th place.Not trying to be mean,but Brad Lidge deserved more votes than Hamels based on the regular season anyway,closer or not,he did the job above and beyond.

32. ryan Says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    actually, alot of people remember Al Smith. He was and remains a very important historical figure

33. Tinisha Warbritton Says:
    February 23rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Great articles & Nice a site….

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