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53 Responses to “White Sox Seeking Trade Partners For Dye”

1. NEPA Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 11:24 am

   I’d love to see them take Golson, I’m not a fan of anything but his speed. What kind of package do we think they’d be looking for?

2. PhillyFriar Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 11:37 am

   I think this pretty much dispels the rumor that Williams wants to dump Swisher. I’d still rather Swisher than anyone else, but Williams won’t sell low on him.

   Dye wouldn’t be a bad addition if he could be had for the right price. It’d basically be like getting a slightly impoverished man’s Pat Burrell on a 1 year, $11.5 million deal (with a $12 million mutual option for 2010, whatever that entails). But I wouldn’t give up much more than Golson and a lower level pitching prospect (maybe Edgar Garcia) for him, and I’m not sure if that would entice the White Sox.

3. NJ Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 11:38 am

   They surely can’t be expecting more than Abreu territory, cats out of the bag they’d like to see him gone.

4. Maverick Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

   This place is dead.. Did everyone leave and head to the Eagles blog?

5. Geoff Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

   We should definitely be peddling greg golson on them…the bottom line is golson cant hit. and thats the last thing we need back there. because he cant hit, he does NOT project to be an everyday player in MLB. or at laest not a very good one.

6. Maverick Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

   Thinking out loud.

   what if… the Muts get CC Sabathia .. which they have expressed interest.

   Do you think the Phils would then break the bank and go after a A list pitcher?

7. griffin Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

   I think the Phillies have a plan and that won’t be affected by what the Mets do. The Mets got Santana last year, the Phillies didn’t panic and sign any superstars and they went on to win the World Series.

   As for Golson, I was never a huge fan because of his strikezone recognition (or lack thereof). I’m not sure how much value he has, but I’d love to package him in a deal, any deal.

8. griffin Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

   also, Sabathia will be a Yankee. They will pay him 20 to 30 million dollars more than anyone else.

9. Maverick Says:
   November 13th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

   Griffin. good point. The yanks have about 60mil in cash to spend this offseason.

   I live in ny and i heard on local tv that the yanks freed up 80 mil from last years payroll. 20 will go to current players and they could spend in excess of 60 on free agents. Even talk of landing manny

10. Frank Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Do you think the Phillies will land Dye???

11. Geoff Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Actually, Id feel TOTALLY comfortable offering Golson & Kendrick

12. Frank Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Is that what they want?

13. Gavin Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I heard that Sabathia doesnt want to play in NY. I cant remember where I heard that, but thats why he’s seriously considering the Brewers offer.

    Golson and Kendrick for Dye would be a quick yes from me. I think its a fair deal.

14. Frank Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    I would do that in a heart beat!!! I do not see Kendrick being too too special and the phills and wsox are kind of trading partners (thome for rowand, and the whole garcia bust deal)

15. Geoff Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Ther Yankees will sign CC Sabathia AND either Derek Lowe or AJ Burnett AND THEN theyll think about texeira and manny. theyre not screwing around. the phillies have NO change of getting sabathia and pretty much NO chance to get Lowe & Burnett either. Itd be great to sign Lowe to round out the rotation, but i seriously doubt theyll be even close. forget about it.

    current priority list:

    1) resign moyer to one year contract with options to keep him happy

    2) trade for either jermaine dye or garret atkins to replace burrell

    3) sign a free agent starting pitcher or a free agent late inning relief pitcher

    4) trade prospects for whichever of the two above options you did not sign.

    5) filler guys we dont even care about yet

16. Frank Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    What about Ben Sheets he is solid but that injury could linger……..He is willing to take a 2 year deal

17. Geoff Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    theyre going to offer him a record breaking deal, and nobody turns down that kind of money so forget about it…sabathia im referring to

18. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    The rumored Ben Sheets number is arond the 36/2 mark…

    I really like the idea of Dye, he’s the exact kind of player you want to replace Burrell’s production with and the prospect cost would be managable.

    As for the Mets we can’t compete with their payroll, we can only take satisfaction in the trouble their putting themselves in with their spending sprees.

19. eb Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    NJ… 36 million for 2 years of Ben Sheets????

    I can not believe that, sounds way to high for such an injury prone guy.

    I heard the Sabbabthia offer is 6/150 million. that is hard to walk away from

20. JimC Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Ben sheets already said he doesn’t want to play here. I’d love to see burnett come here, he has filthy sutff but he doesn’t want to pitch here either. None of the A list pitchers will want to come here which is fine, we won with our rotation last year. Dyes a little old for my liking but I’m sure he would love to play in our ball park. Its jus a matter of not giving up 2 much for a player who’s exiting his prime. I would like to see donald stay and have no problem with saying goodbye to kendrick and golson

21. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Dye probably has a NO trade clause and would require his option to be picked up. That’s numero uno.

    Second, WIlliams has proved he isn’t so foolish trading with us, does anyone think Golson and Garcia would be enough for Dye? I think it’s a nice start but we are going to need to add to it. I mean this isn’t a must salary dump, unlike the Abreu deal. Williams could just as easily dump Vazquez instead.

    I would see if he would take Donald, Bastardo, Slayden for Dye. Slayden will never get a oppurtunity to play here. In the AL he might. Donald can give them speed and an option at 2B if they move Alexi to SS. Bastardo is an intriuging arm who I am not high on him, it may take Garica but I would avoid trading him and maybe throwing in Naylor or Savery.

    I would gladly throw them Taylor/Bastardo/Golson (the 3 most overrated prospects I think we have) but I think they would want someone more of an impact this year. Oh well. I would definately trade Donald for Dye. but wouldn’t be upset if we kept him either.

    By the way, I think Savery is the most frustrating prospect we have. My god can we just know if he’ll pan out for us. Just when you think he’s gonna wash out of the minors he puts together a nice end of the season. but still has those 6-7 runs outings that come out fo NO-WHERE.

22. Memphis Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    I agree with Geoff. I’d love Lowe, but not counting on it (would we ever do 45/3, would that even get it done?).

    Jayson Stark just posted his ideas:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

    Doug Brocail for the ‘pen and maybe Rocco Baldelli or Juan Rivera. That’s it.

    I’m starting to doubt we’ll add any starters if we bring back Moyer, which makes sense, even though I think it’s playing with fire. Maybe Brocail can pitch 2-3 innings every time Moyer goes 4-5 innings (he usually gets tagged the third time through a lineup). How many days until pitchers and catchers report?

23. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    The Phils would go to 45/3 but it’s not going to happen unless Boras has the kind of trouble he did with Lohse, the chances of that happening are so remote and maybe Boras doesn’t get the $18p/y target but he’s not going to fall to where the Phils could be in play… It’s not bad ownership, we just can’t compete with the Yankees/Mets/Cubs/Sox when they have someone on their radar and they’ve been shackled to far worse deals than we have.

    It’s been well documented the Phils have been grooming Amaro under Gillick’s direction so you have to think what would Gillick have done, we’re going to get creative when it comes to addressing adding pitching and Gillicks record shows he’s the kind of guy who’s going to try to trade to fill the high-profile need than reach again and that’s what I’m expecting Amaro to do. Rivera/Baldelli don’t fit the profile enough to think the Phils FO aren’t working on something bigger.

    As for a high profile starter… We can dream for a headline signing but it’s not the right move. I’m starting to really like the names Carrasco, Drabek, Savery, Stutes, Naylor because that’s where our future is.

    Are we good enough to compete now? Lets be real were good enough if the guys already here play up to potential, buying our way back to the series is only going to end up with a vomit-worthy payroll (where you won’t be able to afford to go to games) and the metioning of a Phillies prospect being the punchline in a joke like the Mariners scouting the Mets AFL players.

24. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    NJ- But Dye is making nearly the exact amount we offered Burrell, it’s almost perfect, minus what we would have to give up.

25. Bruce Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Tim says~ “The Phils don’t have any fast chips in the AFL, but they have infielder Jason Donald. Another name that came to my head, not in the AFL: Greg Golson.”

    What does AFL stands for?

26. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I’m on the Dye band-wagon, I hate to see Burrell walk but of any idea put forward Dye makes the most sense. He’s controllable for 2 years at under current market value and provides a similar bat to Burrell with the defense improved from being able to maximise Vic and Werth’s range.

    The Yankees are prepared to give up Melky plus for one eyar of Mike Cameron. We for Dye for prospects and hope Burrell goes to a top 15 team to maxise his type A status in draft compensation to off-set the loss of prospects.

    This is exactly the kind of move I’d expect Dye to make from being under Gillicks tutorship.

27. Eb Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Arizona Fall League

28. Bruce Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Thanks Eb; I forgot about that league. I usually concentrate on Phillies’ minor league clubs (Lehigh Valley, Reading, etc) during the summer when looking for progress reports on prospects.

29. Chuck P Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    NJ… great points. Dye is likely going to cost more than Burrell but he’s a better fielder and at least we get a decent pick if Burrell finds himself on another team… the MLB is becoming more and more like the NFL (draft picks are becoming more and more valuable). Teams like the Rays and Marlins have proved that you can win with young players and it costs a lot less. I think that Golson is going to alright… but I think that speed is replaceable. We shouldn’t be enamored with guys that can run.

30. Memphis Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    NJ — I would just offer that Gillick did go out and sign several FAs in his three years here, the more prominent ones being Gordon, Eaton ($24.5/3), Helms, Werth, Jenkins ($13M/2), Durbin, Feliz ($8.5M/2), Bruntlett. Obviously not the biggest names, but I don’t see why Baldelli or Rivera would not be consistent with that; either would likely just be a part-timer with upside. I agree that the MO is absolutely not to pursue high-profile FAs, so no matter what Lowe’s price is, he would not fit the profile. Neither would Sheets, Dempster, etc. Maybe a Brad Penny, someone like that.

    I don’t know Dye that well, in terms of speed or defense, but his offensive numbers don’t suggest a huge improvement over Burrell. That said, one thing about Burrell that isn’t discussed that much is that he had a terrible second half, especially August and September, which is not a good sign in a contract year. I don’t know if that says he’s starting his decline, but we certainly have to beware of that. Dye’s second half was actually pretty good, though not as good as his first half.

31. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Memphis- But who is more likely of Dye and Burrell to reach there career avgs?
    And who is the more streaky of the two?

    Dye would be a good fit.

32. Memphis Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    113 — I’m not arguing for Burrell — but the argument would be they would cost similar $$ and with Burrell you keep some prospects, and just looking at the numbers, Burrell has been remarkably consistent with his production year-to-year.

    I’m suggesting recent history says there may not be that much difference, but Dye actually may be the MUCH better player in 2009 simply based on the 2nd half of 2008. Look at Burrell’s August and September, it’s scary. It makes Holliday’s away numbers look Ruthian. Maybe that’s an anomaly, maybe that’s an indicator of things to come.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=4214

    I do think Dye is a pretty nice player, even if he’s older than Burrell. I’d be happy to get him. I’d be really intrigued if the Phils got Dye and Vasquez.

33. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    The issue is will we re-sign Burrell and that looks like a no, Dye is traditionally a little erratic out of the gate but he’s known for piling it on like no other when he’s hot and finishes strong. I expect the FO is as uncomfertable as we are about the prospect of 3 outfielders for one one spot and after the Garcia and Lidge trades we know the Gillick/Amaro way for filling the major hole is to make an out of leftfield trade. The Jenkins/Feliz/Eaton deals were to fill secondary holes.

    After Eaton and Garcia the Phils FO is going to be hesitant to reach on pitchers either by expecting more from a lower tier pitcher or over-paying massively for a ‘high-profile’ pitcher. We don’t have the payroll flexibility to go after a guy like Lowe and address our internal needs and not end up being handcuffed to the back-end of bad deals. We’ve critisized the lack of high-end activity by the front office but what would be saying if we’d gone to those extra years with guys like Soriano?

    Does anyone really think the Phils wouldn’t go after a guy like Lowe if it was a practical idea?

34. Memphis Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Swisher to the Yankees:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3700869

35. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Dye wouldn’t cost too much for a guy of his calibre, Dye and Vazquez would take the farm and at least one guy off the major league roster.

36. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    There’s no way in hell that deal was straight up for Marquez…

37. Memphis Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Vasquez is obviously not Ozzie’s favorite player, so maybe Chicago sells low on him too. Who knows, just thinking out loud, but I would not be surprised if Vasquez is moved.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-05-gm-meetings-soxnov05,0,7236960.story

38. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    NJ- Heyman is on WFAN right now and says there are other names involved something like Betemit (spelling) and Melky might be in it to.

    This might take Dye off the market.

39. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    There’s been rumors Vaquez is on the block but it won’t be the easiest deal to make.

    The Yankees also get a minor league closer, either GM is about to be named a Yankee employee or we’re about to hear the Yankees have sent some serious prospects to Chicago.

40. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Betemit and two marginal prospects… The White Sox just got fleeced and handed the Yankees what looks like a decent prospect to add insult to injury, there must be more to this deal!

41. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    NJ- yeah I am pretty baffled, not that we would want Swisher but that Kenny Williams just let Swisher go like that. Makes little sense.

42. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t get it… It’s not really a salary dump but after sending two stud prospects to Oakland they then sell low to the Yankees for a utility guy and two minor league prospecs and they throw in a kid who had 21 saves in the minors for them last year… Just doesn’t make any sense…

43. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    NJ- What di Williams give up for Swisher? Was it Sweeny, De Los Santos, and Gio for Swisher???

    If I am right than this makes this trade to the Yanks REALLY bad, not saying I would want Swisher but my god, they just traded De Los Santos AND Gio for Betemit, Nunez, and Marquez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

44. Eb Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    From Section 113…Gio Gonzalez is on the A’s now…Mlbtraderumors.com has the list

45. From Section 113 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Eb I know, I was just wondering what the White Sox traded for Swisher, becuase that makes this trade even worse

46. The Dipsy Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Just curious, but why would a one year deal to Mike Mussina for about 10m be ridiculous? Nobody talks about him. Obviously he still has something left and he hand a great year last year. Is he looking or just going back to the Yankees?

47. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Yep rumor has it it’s Yankees or bye-bye for the Moose

48. Chris L Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong but do the White Sox have a backup catcher? What about something like this…..

    Phillies get: Dye (both sides agree to 2010 option) and a minor leaguer (probably a AA reliever with late inining potential)

    WSox get: Golson, Jamarillo (sp?), Eaton and $3 million (he competes for the 5th starter with a injury prone Contreas) and either Jenkins or Stairs

49. NJ Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Chris if that deal could be done I think Amaro would cancel Christmas because it’ll have come early.

50. Chris L Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Yes, the Phillies would gain but its not like the White Sox wouldn’t also. Remember that the market for Dye may be changed now that its known that they want him out. Also, just because the Phillies would be dealing from positions were thay have depth does not mean they aren’t giving something up.
    Golson is one of the top 5 prospects in terms of being called up in the Phillies system.
    Jamarillo is projected as a decent backup in the the near future (so maybe slide Coste in this spot instead since it will be tough for him to make the Phillies roster) who can back up AJ
    Eaton has had games where he looks like a solid 3 and look what a change of scenary did for Lidge and Gavin Floyd (plus he won’t have to worry about RJohnson getting extrabase hits off of him in the AL) plus $5million is not a huge flyer to take on a vet
    Jenkins or Stairs would give them a power OF to platoon in Dye’s spot or DH if Thome’s back gets gimpy

51. Frank Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    I want Ben Sheets…..Who else?

52. NJ Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 6:52 am

    Honestly Eaton’s got the plague tag and anyone that does want him knows they can pick him up for nothing through waivers/rule 5/free agent if he doesn’t accpet minor league assignment. Jarmaillo has almost no value on the market, Jenkins wouldn’t be wanted due to the price tag and Stairs doesn’t have much value either.

    Ben Sheets… He’s not going to get years from the sound of it but he’s rumored to be expecting around $18m py.

53. The Sports Complex :: Blog Archive :: Jermaine Dye to the Phillies? :: Philadelphia City Paper :: Philadelphia Arts, Restaurants, Music, Movies, Jobs, Classifieds, Blogs Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    [...]  Jermaine Dye to the Phillies? categories | Phillies, hot stove Mike Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune is reporting that the White Sox are trying to unload OF Jermaine Dye in an effort to get “younger and quicker.”  Seeing as the White Sox seem like the only team the Phillies deal with, it’s worth questioning what it would take to get it done.Dye is a couple years older than Burrell and doesn’t have the eye that Bait does, but for all intents and purposes Jermaine would provide the same protection as the big left fielder.  Really I think this decision comes down to what they’re giving up.  If Burrell walks the Phillies will receive the draft pick of the team who signs him plus the supplemental pick between rounds – if the Phillies can get Dye for less talent than that I think they have to make the deal, especially considering that his contract (one year at 11.5 mil with a mutual option at 12 for the next) is going to be more manageable than Burrell’s.The commenters at PN are throwing out names like Greg Golson, Kyle Kendrick, Jason Donald, and Antonio Bastardo.  Thoughts?h/t Tim Malcolm at Phillies Nation [...]

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