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18 Responses to “Dobbs: Ibanez ‘Perfect’ For Team”

1. T Marty Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 10:14 am

   Tim, i hear ya. We have a whole season coming up where we will be described as the Wold Champion Phillies, that has a nice tinge to it. and looking at Ibanez’s numbers we might be in for quite a treat.

2. Rob Cowie Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 10:16 am

   Ibanez has been a fantasy stud for the last 3 years. I’m optimistic.

3. NJ Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am

   Ibanez MO is he’s a better player than he’s been given credit for and his age is down to the fact he was a late bloomer like Randy Johnson. There’s a lot of oufielders out there like Burrell who’ll porbbaly be forced to take short-term deals and signing Ibanez for 3 shows Amaro is commited to take a shot at winning. Ibanez will be good protection in the line-up because he will make contact which is something Burrell did struggle to do, I hate to see him go but I feel good about Amaro.

   Classy comment from Dobbs though, once again showig he’s a real character guy.

4. No Smoke Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am

   Dobbs plays the best when he doesn’t start every day, and when he needs to prove himself. It’s actually nice to have a guy like that off the bench…..he might actually get a hit when he comes into an important late-game situation, unlike some of the other scrubs we’ve had in years past.

5. Frank Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am

   He will help us win another WS (hopefully) he is a very good player

6. Phillies Phan SC Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 10:55 am

   I am giving him a chance!

7. GM-Carson Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 am

   I don’t like the Ibanez signing, but people that are writing him off as a failure already is ridiculous. He’s a Phillie now so I root for him and he’ll likely do a good job. I’m just bitter to see Burrell go.

8. Manny Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am

   I’m optimistic too…

9. Chuck P Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:54 am

   I have been without a computer since Friday… so I wasn’t able to make my inital reactions public (which is probably good). I have had some time to think about this and Ibanez is growing on me. I don’t think that he’s the best fit but if the one word that describes Ibanez is consistency. He produces runs, gets on base and plays the game the way you would hope a player earning $10 million per year would play the game. He’s old but he doesn’t rely on his power so that it’s not a huge concern (I think he’ll still hit 30 HR). I think that his average will come down this year; when you hit in a pitchers’ park, there is more open space to drop singles. I’m not sure where he bats (pre and post Utley’s return)… 3rd? 5th? 6th? The last concern… switching leagues. It’s tough to switch leagues and this guy is moving a long way from home. That is going to be a tough adjustment… I’m glad that he has Dobbs and it would be nice if he had Moyer… somebody brought up a good point on one of the other threads; you have to wonder if this signing was pushed along because of the Muts newly acquired RH relievers.

10. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Outside of the fact that he’s Left-handed, I honestly don’t see how people think this is a bad move for the team. and as I said on Friday, If you can hit… it really doesn’t matter which side of the plate you stand on.

    We’re adding a guy who has produced year after year, and with a less than leathal Mariners lineup, you have to assume that Ibanez is one of the players that pitchers wanted to be careful not to give good pitches to. So his numbers aren’t based on hitting fastballs, like Mark DeRosa’s … the other guys on the Mariners were the ones seeing good pitches because pitchers didn’t want to nibble and give baserunners with Ibanez coming up.

    While Utlet is out, I think we’ll see Ibanez in the 3 hole, sure to see pitches with Howard on deck.. and when Utley gets back we’ll probably see him batting 6th between Werth and Feliz.. so hopefully he can still get some big RBI numbers

11. Chuck P Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    That’s what I thought, Don (lineup). Ibanez in the 6 hole… not too shabby. It should move Victorino up in the lineup (1st or 2nd) where he should be. With Rollins and Vic batting back-to-back, we should be able to play some small-ball. I think it will help some of our young guys be more consistent, too. When Vic/Werth bats second, their mentality is to get on base. That changes, when they move down the lineup and they flopped all year…

12. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    I would think that Victorino would be a better leadoff man than Rollins.. Werth would be a good leadoff man too with his high OBP%, but his power would get wasted from the 1-spot.

    Vic is a much better bunter than Rollins, and is definitely faster than Rollins.. but Rollins is a more successful basestealer.. its a tough call for Manuel I guess because you don’t want to be moving guys around and putting them in roles they aren’t used to.

    I think in Spring Training we’ll see them toying with the lineup a lot, moving Rollins between 1-2-3-and 5.. Werth 2-3-5-6.. Victorino 1-2-5-6…. just see who is comfortable in what role

13. Matt Kwasiborski Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    If we don’t make any more moves for our lineup, I see Rollins hitting 3rd, which he has done in the past with Vic moving to leadoff, and then Ibanez hitting 5th.

    Vic
    Werth
    Rollins
    Howard
    Ibanez
    Feliz
    Ruiz
    Donald
    SP

14. Sean P. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I don’t know how anyone can knock the signing of Ibanez (including the article written by Keith Law on ESPN). Ibanez is a proven offensive player on a sub-par Mariners team.

    He is better than Pat Burrell in every basic hitting statistic except home runs and walks (which translates to a lower OBP).

    The most compelling stat from Ibanez is his ability to reach the 100+ rbi plateau which he has done the past three years. Burrell had only done it twice his whole career even though Burrell is on a much better offensive team.

    Ibanez = good signing (unless he sucks)

15. Mark Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Once again, I like this acquisition. He’s a solid ballplayer. Yeah, he’s a bit old in baseball years. But, he hasn’t played like it on the diamond.

    Let’s face it, we can’t determine whether it is a good pick up or not until sometime down the road. The man is going to have his ups and his downs, it’s inevitable.

    Let’s just hope when he has his downs, no one calls for his head.

16. Mark M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    “The difference between Burrell and Ibanez defensively is almost non-existent — Ibanez isn’t that good. So overall, the Phillies gave three years to a player worse than Burrell, but for probably $16M fewer than what Burrell wanted.” -Tim in a earlier post.

    “I think we should hold out all determinations until we actually see him play” -Tim in this post

    contradicting ourselves aren’t we?

17. Tim Malcolm Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Not really, Mark. Looking at his track record, Ibanez is worse than Burrell overall. But that doesn’t mean he’s a failure.

18. Sean P. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Tim,

    You keep saying that Burrell is better than Ibanez but no stats to back that up. Looking at the numbers its looks like Ibanez is better at the plate?

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