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68 Responses to “Odds And Ends: Mathieson, Arbitration, K-Rod”

1. Mark T Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:17 am

   I will borrow from a classic, “Major League”, to respond to K-Rod:

   “I guess there’s only one thing left to do…win the whole damn thing!”

   PS – You’re not the best closer in the division. Record setting season in likely the worst (or 2nd worst) division this past season.

2. RK Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:22 am

   Give KROD a break, he is right they are the team to Beat…Beat up on, and that the Phils will do

3. Mike T. Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:25 am

   i think K-Rod meant, “We are too the beat team!” – because that makes way more sense, they are so beat.

4. Geoff Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:28 am

   Id still rather have Brad Lidge, K-Rod hasnt proven anything at all in that fake division. He was way overused last year and the way he delivers the ball is too violent. Hes definitely primed for an injury or a letdown.

5. Maverick Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am

   I can’t wait til we can brand him “choKe Rod”. Shouldnt take too long.

6. Maverick Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am

   or “blown rod” that kinda has a ring to it

7. Ed Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:36 am

   I am thinking after he blows 2 or 3 saves vs the Phillies the fans will start chanting “slay rod” because that is what we will do. I can’t wait to see him throw a fastball for like his 20th pitch of the inning and his arm literally falls off.

8. Chase Mutley Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am

   K-Hole is my favorite.

9. Greg Says:
   December 15th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

   k-rod actually never said the mets are the team to beat…the reporter asked him who he thinks will win the nl east this year..so he said the mets….i doubt hed answer with another team

10. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I dont get all this talk about them making Park a starter…I think theyd keep looking for a starter to trade for or sign other than or including moyer. park seems to be a middle reliever to me..after all, they signed him to a relievers contract…i think its still hamels – myers – XXXXXX – blanton – happ/park/carrasco/kendrick

    last year they signed chad durbin and everyone thought hed be a starter, he started in spring training, which park will, and then he lost out and got moved to the pen…same with this guy i think..

11. Justin Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Chan Ho Park announced his signing with the Phillies in Korea to the press, saying it’s a 1 year 2.5 million with 5 mill in incentives. He’s probably Ryan Franklin revisited, they’ll give him a shot to compete for a starter spot but if he’s beaten out for a job in the rotation he’ll be a reliever. Don’t know how thrilled that really makes me.

12. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    its just more pitching depth…if he makes the rotation, great, if not, then the bullpen gets more reenforcements..

13. luis phillies phan Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    wow so that means hes going to be a starter well i guess we could forget lowe i really think the mets will get him…i really miss pat gillick this guy makes me throw up!!

14. Manny Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    DAMN IT! We signed Chan Ho Park….!! Ahhhh

    That means goodbye Derek Lowe??

    We are not building a stronger team!!!

15. Mike T. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    they signed chan ho park so they can package him with brett myers in a deal to the reds for aaron harang.

16. Ben Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    geoff i hope your right.

    word is that the muts might not be looking at lowe now, and the yanks are off lowe now too. would be a good time to make him a solid offer for 3 years, since the market is presumably shakey for him. who else is looking at lowe besides the mets and phils? the braves?

17. Manny Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    “I was a little worried about the Citizens Bank Park, the home of the Phillies, which is hitter-friendly,” he said. “But as they considered me a starter, I signed with Philadelphia.”

    I DO NOT WANT THIS GUY AS A STARTER…. I much rather see Kendrick. It just FEELS like a bad move.

18. Mike T. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    of course geoff is right. it’s the obvious reason they signed him. everyone knows he’s not a lock to start. if he shows good stuff this spring, then he makes the rotation, good for him. if not, put him in the pen – all is good.

19. Mike T. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    but like i said —- park and myers for harang. done deal.

20. Manny Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Ben, the Braves are not looking at Lowe…

    I think it’s up to the Phils and the Mets…. which just makes me HATE this move (signing Chan Ho Park)… And they apparently told the guy he’d be a starter… I highly doubt we’ll get Lowe now. Maybe Moyer at best.

    Ugh, there was no need to get this guy!

21. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Anyone that really ever thought Derek Lowe was going to come here instead of Boston, NY, or LA was, and is dreaming..

    Park isn’t the world’s best pitcher, but he throws hard, I think he throws a sinker or a splitter.. and will be something like Chad Durbin last year… they’ll give him a shot to make the rotation, if he does, its because he out-pitched other guys.. and if not, then maybe they put him in the bullpen.

    Its about signing players you think can help you, and giving yourself lots of options… they aren’t signing him to try to impress people, or scare the Mets or anything.. they are just addings players and then they’ll have more options when it comes time to name the 25-man roster. Can’t say I love the move to add him, but the more pitchers we have, the better

22. Mike T. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    eggszakly

23. Justin Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Hopefully if teams are backing off his price will lower so we can sign him for less than what he’s asking for.

24. Manny Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Don M… according to you, why is it so hard for us to get a guy like Lowe, especially when his market value is shrinking and perhaps a 3-year deal could get it done? Why not go after Lowe when the Red Sox said they won’t go past 3 years, the Braves are not interested, the Yankees also lost interest… It’s not like we’re in a bidding war. We can definitely get Lowe if we go hard after him given the current cirmcumstances. And he fills the hole we have in our starting rotation, perfectly.

    Why is it “dreaming”? Signing Lowe is dreaming but winning the World Series isn’t? We can definitely get it done… and signing Park greatly reduces our chances of signing him.

25. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Aaron Harang was TERRIBLE last year… even when he came back and was “healthy” ….he was absolutely TERRIBLE.

    Park will only be a starter if he earns it.. .and he would have to rock like a sub 3.00 ERA in the Spring and have everyone else be bad to make that happen.. He’ll be a long-man in the pen, and give them options to spot-start for a day-night doubleheader or something like that.. lets see what he’s got in the spring before we call this a bad move

26. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    How the hell does signing Park for $1.5 M reduce our chances of getting LOWE?

    The thing with Lowe is that if we think we can sign him for what we feel is a fair market deal… the teams that are losing intrest in him, will say if the Phillies can sign him for … $13 M…. we’ll offer him $14 M per season… and then the next team says… we’ll offer him $15 M per season..

    I think he’ll get a 3 year deal somewhere in the area of $45 M… and I think thats too much to pay him.. Derek Lowe does not deserve to be the highest paid player on the Phillies for the next 3 years. If you can sign him at $12 per season, even that is overpaying, but leaves an extra $10 M or so around for arbitration raises, and stuff like that. I’m all for adding him to our rotation, and wanted him when he left the RedSox after ‘04 because I think he’d be a great fit for our ballpark. But I don’t expect him to end up here, because teams with more money, and that are more stupid with their money need him even more than we do.. If the Mets let us get Derek Lowe… then Omar Minaya is the worst GM in history

27. Ed Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Why would we sign Park to trade him? Why wouldn’t the Reds just sign him themselves and trade Harang for Myers straight up? I would prefer to keep Myers over Harang but if they did make that trade I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Lowe is ABSOLUTELY obtainable and if the Phils don’t sign him I will consider it the single biggest mistake they made this off season. I would rather they had signed So Taguchi again to play Left and brought in Lowe than signed Burrell who I loved and then Chan Ho to be the 4th or 5th starter. Hamels, Myers, Blanton, Lowe and whoever would be a pretty awesome rotation. Hamels, Myers, Blanton, possible Moyer and whoever is not as scarey to me.

28. Mike T. Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    

29. Manny Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Don M… we clearly value Lowe WAY DIFFERENTLY… I think that getting him from free agency for 3 years, 45M is a very good deal for our No.2 guy. So there’s no reason to argue any further. I’d be very dissapointed if the Phillies don’t make an offer at least equal to that amount.

30. Brian Michael Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    “I selected Philadelphia because they are the World Series Champions and have high expectations for a playoff berth next season.”

    “I was a little worried about the Citizen Bank Park, the home of the Phillies, which is hitter-friendly, but as they considered me as a starter, I signed with Philadelphia.”

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/136_36170.html

31. Griffin Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    well, Park is more versatile than Rudy Seanez. Hopefully Park becomes the 12th man in the pen. At least it’s a one-year deal. I think the Phils will re-sign Moyer and expect that to be enough.

32. maxhole Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    today’s new yorker (biggest news paper in NY) has no mention of met’s desire for Lowe. their GM said last week that lowe’s price is too high. theyre looking at resigning oli perez, or picking up randy wolf. i’ll welcome either. an offer needs to be made, we’re the obvious contender

33. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    especially because you KNOW the phillies wont overpay for lowe, so if they do sign him itll be for what they think is cheap…i agree that even 13-15mm for lowe for3 years is highly overpaying…if minaya takes the bait and offers more money and years than that then let him have it. he got suckered into offering more money and the mets will have more money committed than if they signed garland or traded for marquis like they tried to do last week..

    free agency now should settle down once the big pitchers have gotten deals..lowe is the last and if he gets an insane deal then even people like garland will end up getting 12mm a year, which i ludicrous…

    id rather see the phillies trade for a solid starter…these free agents are too expensive.. park is a borderline 5th starter/middle reliever, and he got 2.5mm.

34. luis phillies phan Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    i Just read about how the mets are trying to pursue burell…this is not good!!!!!!!!!

35. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    overpaying in years and money for lowe is exactly the type of mistake that a first year GM has to avoid…thats the obvious trap move…no way lowe stays this healthy forever…anyone remember job liebeR?

36. OZ Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Yanks are out of the Lowe stakes…gotta go after him now. Ibanez and Park IN, Burrell OUT, is hardly a noteworthy off-season for the World Champs.

37. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    let them get burrell…who cares..itll take the mets a season or two to realize hes going to be a first baseban from here on out.

38. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    I just think that the salaries are getting so far out of hand.. that a #2 pitcher, a guy with a lot of innings on his arm the past few years (which is either a GREAT thing, or a risky thing) isn’t worth that much money.. A starting pitcher plays in about 35 games over the course of the season, so he’d be making as much money per start as Cole Hamels made all of last season…

    That said, the market is what it is, and if that is what it takes to get a pitcher, then maybe you do have to pull the trigger, but I just think that making him the highest paid player on your team is what its going to take to land him.. and I don’t think he deserves to be the highest paid player on this team. And I really don’t think the Mets let us get him for anything close to his value, but then it becomes up to Lowe.. where do you want to play, and will a few extra million from the Mets be enough to keep you from signing here…

    so i’m definitely not knocking the idea.. and it grows more realistic everday that he isn’t signed by someone else.. I just don’t want everyone to flip out if we don’t sign him because, I for one will be shocked if we get him

39. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    i agree…i know taht the phillies will make an offer, most liekly, at what they think is his value..but if/when he doesnt take it and takes an offer worth more money than people will FLIP out on here and talk about how theyre going to miss the playoffs again and etc etc when the rotation is already better than it was ,last year…

40. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    I dont care if the Mets sign Burrell because I don’t think he can hit Hamels or Myers… and I definitely don’t think he wants to play in NY and have all that added pressure after dealing with our fans.. He would be best suited for a nice laid-back AL team like the Rays

41. RealMetsFan Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    All right this team to beat nonsense is getting ridiculous. If there is one team to beat it is the Philadelphia Phillies. They are the world series champs, period. Every team in the N.L will be gunning for you. The Braves have improved. The Mets have certainly improved. The Marlins are the same as are the Nationals. The Phillies have not improved maybe because there is no need for improvement? I don’t know. You guys already have a good team. Did they overachieve in 2008? I believe so, but it still doesn’t take away from the fact the the Phillies are world series champs. In a few years you won’t be the same team. Jimmy Rollins will sign a big contract with another team. Ryan Howard is destined to be a Yankee. Cole Hamels and Ryan Madsen will both be Mets, and Chase Utley will most likely be traded as the Phillies try to rebuild. Sorry but when your team is cheap this is what happens. So, enjoy the ride and hope you guys can win another world series in 2 years. After that the Phillies WILL be a different team.

42. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    i think the rays might have made him an offer already for 3 years 30mm..if they can get him for that then good for them..

43. Bloagie Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    1 year, 2.5 mil spells 5th starter, middle reliever to me. Lowe front has been quiet lately, he would make great 2

44. Ed Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    I really do not see the Mets signing Burrell. I will put money on it now that Burrell goes to either the Giants or A’s. As for Lowe, I would love for him to be on the team but it does seem like his price might be to high. If I were the Phils I would go after Oli Perez….dude murdered the Phillies last year. 4-0 with an era like 0.35. I would sign him for the simple reason that he can’t hurt you if he is on the team. So what if he does little else, he is the 5th starter, left handed and dominate you, he is a lot better than Park is.

45. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    ahaha…chase utley is signed for a while there champ, and jimmmy rollins is signed for 3 more years..

    also..do you really think that cole hamels will be allowed to leave? theyre not THAT cheap..they know a staff ace when they see one and he wont be allowed to even sniff free agency…

    ryan madson will NOT sign for the mets, because boras will market him as a closer because teams will need closers next year..the mets HAVE a closer, two actually, so madson has NO place there..thats so unrealistic…

    thats the equivalent of saying the phillies will sign david wright next year even though hes not a free agent…come on man…thats weak

46. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    you cant sign perez, because youd cause a coin toss between the mets and mariners for who gets your first round pick..and you cant risk letting the mets get it..perez is a type A who was offered arb

47. RealMetsFan Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Ok my mistake. 3 years

48. Manny Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Don but your argument of not getting him because he’d be the most expensive player on your team is purely relative… We all know Howard’s, Utley’s, Hamels’ performances should be valued at more than 15M per year. If we were paying them 15M+ each year, then you’d think getting Lowe for 14M would be worth it? It’s the same guy, after all.

    I’m just grateful that we have our stars more or less under control (financially) and given our circumstances, we can go after Lowe and sign him (even if we have to “overpay” a bit and becomes our most expensive player). Financially, we can do it. And for our team (sports-wise), it’s the best thing we could do.

49. Ed Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I would still risk it, draft picks are never for sures. But that is me.

50. Griffin Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    The Phillies window to win with their stars (Utley, Rollins, Howard, Hamels) is only 3 to 4 years. There are no superstars in the minors to replace these players and no first round pick this June. They should go for broke now and then rebuild once Howard leaves and Utley and Rollins decline

51. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    No, but if they only spend X on the team as whole (whether we think its too Low or not)… but if they are only spending $110 on payroll, and you know that Hamels, Utley, Howard, whoever need to make their $10-15.. you can’t also have your #2 pitcher making $15 M… because then you don’t have money for those $5 M players, like Feliz, Werth, etc…

    Next thing you know you have a team full of $15,000,000 players, and $500,000 players..and nobody in between… and you are the NY Yankees… and when you realize that the old players are signed to terrible contracts (Johnny Damon, Giambi, Pavano, etc)… and that the young players can’t hack it yet (Melky Cabrera, Phillip Hughes) you have no options other than to try to trade your overpriced players, while being forced to eat most of their salaries anyway, and then pray like hell that Joba Chamberlin and Phillip Hughes are the real deal..

    Oh, AND… sign Sabathia, and Burnett, and maybe Teixiera… and start the whole mess over again..

    I’d like to see us increase payroll to $130 M… keep our fan-favorite homegrown guys are fair market contracts, and be able to land some good free agents.. but as long as they are only spending a set amount on payroll, we need them to not overspend on aging veterans because then we won’t have the money to sign Victorino, and Werth, and whoever else to long-term deals

52. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Who the hell “goes for broke” the year after you JUST WON THE WORLD SERIES…

    I think you people are starting to get crazy in the head with the Phillies needs right now.. Pitching and Defense win you Championships… the only person we lost defensively was the guy that we had to replace at the end of games because he’s so slow.. and the only pitchers we’ve lost so far are Tom Gordon, and Rudy Seanez…neither of whom helped us win the World Series.

    We added Ibanez who hits for higher average, and more RBIs than Burrell… and Park, who will either help the team, or not… but at $1 or 2 Million, its a risk worth taking, because it doesn’t hurt you financially if it backfires

53. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    ibanez is the exact kind of contact hitter they needed all last yaer, and because hes left-handed or because hes not manny or tex, people FLIPPED OUT and acted like they suck again now…ibanez started in MLB later than most players, so he doesnt have the miles on him than someone like burrell even has. hes in great shape, and takes care of himself. hes fine..dont worry.

    also, when you win a championship, the hardest thing to do is keep a team together…usually they all leave for huge contracts,,the phillies are lucky that burrells the biggest name they lost..everyone else is under contract/control. so why go “all out” when most of our team is intact and you only need to plug one or two more holes after these signings?

    just get someone whos solid in there to fill out the rotation, and theyll be fine…it could be moyer, or lowe at the right price, or a trade, whatever…

    i will agree that i think most of these people have become completely insane..they acted like we never won the WS and like they still havent won and they need to be the yankees…relax, the yankees will not win anything this year again..because spending INSANE money on free agents isnt the way you win championships in 2008 and beyond…maybe in the 90s, but not anymore..

    if you spend big money , you spend it on your OWN players like cole hamels…

54. Geoff Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    AND theyd have to jack up the prices…which would suck. they already raised prices, tahts enough…the yankees just dug themselves a 250+ mm hole and they still want texeira…tahts insane..thats plan stupid..to guarantee oiver 350mm to THREE players…thats INSANITY…they will get stuck with these deals..they will be forced to eat all that money..NOBODY is letting them off the hook for this..the yankees sealed their fates again..

    burnett is damaged goods…sabathia is about to be damaged goods, and if they sign teixera, well hes good buit not worth the money he is asking for…

55. Mark Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    The one thing I still can’t believe these days is how NY Mets fans don’t see how the majority of their fan base, and their team, is classless

    . . . and their come back? “Your classless!”

    Nice.

    Mets fans cite things such as “Shane Victorino is worse than Reyes with his dancing” or “Jimmy Rollins always holds two number one fingers up when he gets a hit”.

    1.) Shane Victorino doesn’t dance at all. The worst thing he has ever done was the “number 1″ finger thing when he smacked a homer. But the Phillies ragged on him stating that only Jose Reyes is that classless.

    and 2.) Jimmy Rollins is praising the Lord every time he gets a hit. How could that be misconstrued with anything else?

    Idiots.

56. NJ Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    (Amazing how the threads bleed together when someone has something to rant about)

    Pleased for Maitheson who if he does reclaim his form will be very controllable going into his prime.

    K-Rod is exactly the kind of pumped up macho baby the Mets want to parade to their fans, it’s no suprise he’s the one to come out on behalf of the Mets because that’s the kind of guy he seems to be. Cheap laugh maybe from Cole but K-Rod has constantly parading around like a rooster and frankly no-once cares what’s said in this war of words unless someone actually has something valuable to say… Plus it was about as spontanous and unexpected as a pregnant woman giving birth, very classy K-Fraud.

57. Griffin Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Don M., Ibanez needs to be replaced defensively as well.
    By “going for broke” I was talking about increasing payroll now and decreasing it once the Phillies are rebuilding with an inexpensive youth movement. Give shorter contracts with more money, rather than 4 year deals.
    Does the fact that the Philies won the World Series in 2008 mean that they shouldn’t do all they can to make the Phillies better in 2009?

58. NJ Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Mark- We Phils fans care about are team’s image and accept there are a large contingent of rain or shine boo-birds. The Mets fans seem to have such and aura of superiority they just don’t care, their making the mistakes the Yankees made but most Mets fans seem to be so arrogant they don’t notice and a lot of baseball writers seem to pander to the Mets merry-go-round.

59. Griffin Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    “as spontanous and unexpected as a pregnant woman giving birth, very classy K-Fraud.”
    LOL, nice one NJ

60. NJ Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Seriously 62 saves congratulations but do the names Thigpen and Gagne mean nothing when it comes to recent relief records…? Even a Mets fan should be able to admit he’s more likely headed for K-Fraud than Mariano 2.0

61. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Right but overpaying for players to be better in 2009.. if it means your hands will be tied because of payroll issues in 2010, 2011, etc… isn’t that smart a move either.

    I think that if they resign Moyer, they have a better team going into next year than they did starting 2008.

    Madson will be the establised set-up man with loads of confidence, Ibanez is a better hitter than Burrell in my opinion. Werth won’t have to press as much, knowing that he is a starter and not fighting to impress and to earn more playing time… and Hamels, Myers, Moyer, Blanton, Happ/Park/Carrasco.. is MUCH better than a rotation that counted on Eaton and Kendrick to get the job done.

62. Grrrumpy Miner Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    When Cole Hamels said what he said (whether he was goaded into it or not) thats OK,now some (NOT ALL
    just want to clear that up) have developed a very thin skin to what K-Rod has to say?What K-Rod said was is that he thinks that his team will win the NL East…..If you asked Larry Jones who’s team will win he’ll say the Braves,just as Cole Hamels will say the Phillies.Only one thing that I can say to say for K-Rod and Hamels,and thats PUT UP OR SHUT UP.Oh and BTW, not all Mets fans are classless.

63. Don M Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    92% of Mets fans are classless….

    this “team to beat” crap is annoying… it got old as soon as Beltran said it. Whoever wins it the year before, is the team to beat…. out of the NL East, it should be the Phillies or Mets again.. but could easily be the Braves or Marlins too

    K-Rod is THE most overrated pitcher in all of baseball

64. Leo Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    listen all you faggot fans, krod didnt say “we are the team to beat” he said if someone asked him who would win the division he would obviously say the mets, wwho says there gonna lost the division? next time look your shit up before you go on talking out your asses. tim isnt god

65. Phillies Phan SC Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Who the hell cares that the Mets are the team to beat. I want a win in 2009, but guess what, if the Mets wn, WE were the team to beat in 07 and 08 and we did it first. Mets fans are not only classless but clueless.

66. Phillies Phan SC Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Grrrumpy Miner,

    I agree, you are not classless or clueless. I will rephrase, many Mets fans are; but you can see my comment on the other board about my compliment to you (which I do not give many Mets fans).

67. filly phan Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    I can’t wait to jump on a HO TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

68. theNYMetz Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Figures this would get overblown..

    K-Rod did not say this to take a shot against the other teams in the NL East, he said this to express optimism and confidence in his team. He made sure to clarify that.

    But I will say that saying “team to beat” may have been a poor choice of words

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