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189 Responses to “Peavy/DeRosa Trade: Reports Indicate It’s Close”

1. Justin Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

   I’m not a fan of trading 3 prospects/MLB ready players for Mark DeRosa, if we’re getting players there should be something other than a utility player who the Cubs are just trying to get rid of.

2. NEPA Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

   We wouldn’t be giving up all 3 of those players. Probably just 2 of them.

3. Robbi P Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

   If the Twins are getting involved then is it possible that we are getting Delmon Young. I know people are down on him but the guy is 23 years old but Marquis and Young would be great with Mayberry waiting in the wings.

   Now that the other New York Team wasted 160 million on their “ACE” is Derek Lowe in Red Pinstripes more likely? I mean, there is no way that the Yankees get all of those pitchers.

   Finally does anyone know why the Phillies aren’t “kicking the tires” as they like to say with Ben Sheets.

4. Justin Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

   I don’t that any of those 3 is enough to get Delmon Young let alone Young and Marquis. The twins were saying before the only thing that would make that trade happen is a Jason Donald type prospect.

   In my honest opinion the Phillies in the past have spent too much money on injury prone players that Ben Sheets should be the furthest from their mind. (Injury prone players like Mike Jackson, Mark Portugal, Gregg Jeffries, Danny Tartibull, etc.)

5. MP Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

   I’m not a fan of DeRosa for 2 prospects either. If it were just one (Happ or Kendrick) it might work, but I don’t think all three are worth it for DeRosa.

   On other news, did anyone else listen to WIP this morning around 9ish about Burrell’s situation??? Very interesting. Apparently, according to Seth Everett (that MLB.com guy) no team wants to give Burrell the contract he wants (3 yrs) and I guess Everett heard rumours that if he cannot seek a deal he wants he might settle with whatever Philly would offer. Anyone else hear it?

6. Manny Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

   Burrell is finally realizing he is asking for way too much. Thank God.

7. Justin Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

   All i can do is laugh at him for thinking he’s better than he is, he’s gotta be pissed at his agent for telling him fairytales of better deals out there.

8. NJ Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

   DeRosa for Happ’s not a bad deal straight up but in the context of this deal it is. The Cubs get Peavy, the Padres get their prospects, whoever the third team is needs to come out with something sustainable especially if it is an NL team. The Cubs aren’t a weaker team for loosing DeRosa who they have cover for so you can’t enter into making the Cubs the hands-down front-runner in the NL without getting significantly better in the deal yourself.

9. Ryan Says:
   December 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

   why the hell would you trade pitching prospects for an aging utility player? that is so stupid. i’m angry . i hope it doesn’t happen.

10. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    The same goes for Burrell as for Dunn and most of the free agents, the K-Rod deal shows this isn’t the year you want to be a free agent so they need to decide whether they think they play for a bigger deal hoping the market improves next year or they say it’s only going to get worse and take what they can now… Tough call for guys like Burrell.

11. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Kendrick and Jaramillo stink. Can we stop calling them “prospects”? Just because they are young doesn’t mean they are good. jaramillo is now our third best minor league catcher (behind Marson and D’arnaud). Happ is a projected 4th or 5th starter at best, but he does have some value.
    But Kendrick and Jaramillo?? Stop overrating these guys, they’re not that good!

12. MP Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    If this is the case with Burrell, I say sign him to some 2 year deal and keep Bruntlett for cheap.

13. Justin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Last I checked Kendrick won at least 10 games each of his 2 years of MLB service, pretty decent for a kid no one heard of before last year.

14. MP Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Yeah I agree about Kendrick. I don’t think the Phillies would have sent him to FL during the playoffs to work on pitches if they didn’t still have hope for him. He was also the first in line to replace a pitcher in the postseason if someone got injured. I think Kendrick still has some good stuff left, he just needs to work on his stuff. I don’t think both he and Happ plus Jarmillo are worth trading for DeRosa.

15. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Kyle Kendrick was never a highly rated prospect. He gave up a ton of baserunners in 2007 and somehow managed to not give up a ton of runs (luck). His luck ran out in the playoffs and he was awful in 2008.
    Now, which do you think was a fluke? HIs entire career except for 3 months in 2007 or those 3 months in 2007?

    Let’s be realistic here.

16. Chuck P Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Kendrick is a 4th starter at best… with our offense, any 4th starter can win 10 games. We gave him all of our run support, otherwise Hamels would have won 18 games.

    No one wants to talk about Pettite…

17. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Chuck P, I think Pettitte is interesting. If he can be had on a one or two year deal, then let’s do it. I think we would all agree that we need to sign another starter.

18. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Now its starting to make more sense…so happ and coste probably arent in the deal..instead, its kendrick and jaramillo, who are going to lose their position battles in the depth chart anyway. so why not trade them? if they move those two, then thats smart from amaro…now, it said that they might not get derosa, but if not him then what outfielder from the cubs is worth that? pie? or there has been talk of the cubs trading zambrano, id chip in some more prospects for the cubs if they want to trade zambrano to the phillies….

19. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    A quick stat on Kendrick, he has given up 410 hits/walks in 277 innings in his major league career.

    So can we not focus on his wins and focus on his underlying numbers? He’s not someone who should be “off limits” to other teams in a trade.

20. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Pettitte’s not going to happen, he balked at taking a pay-cut to stay with the Yankees, if he doesn’t return there or to Houston he’ll retire. Irreguardless of whether it’s Happ and Coste or Kendrick and Jaramillo, you don’t get into this deal and let the Cubs walk off with Peavy and the Padres with thier choice of prospects and only come out with minor tweaking.

    BTW the Cubs have already dismissed rumors Zambrano will be traded.

21. Chuck P Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Griff… great stat. He’s not a SO pitcher… he does induce a lot of groundballs and double plays so those numbers will be high but his command has to be perfect. He really gets into trouble when he’s walking guys. In his first season, he did well because he had great control and limited his walks. Is he the KK we saw in 2007 or 2008… I think the latter is more likely (or something closer to that). An ERA in the 4’s good for 8-12 wins… not irreplaceable by any stretch of the imagination.

    Pettite is 36 y/o… proven… certainly had a rough year by his standards (a lot of distractions) but I would take a 2 year chance on Pettite if he’s willing to lower his asking price. It seems like he’s off everyone’s radar. That must really piss off a future potential HOF’er.

22. ped Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    who’s Chase’s replacement until he returns?

    is it DeRosa?

    I rather it be Bruntlett

23. Stuart Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    To hell with derosa, we need out of that deal. focus on maybe getting burrell back. Add lowe and maybe petite. Thats our world series champions right there except with two more great pitchers.

24. psujoe Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    I take it Derosa is an insurance policy on Utley and Feliz, nothing more. 5.5 mil is expensive for an insurance policy. No way I want this guy as our LF. No power against Lefties at all.

25. Justin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    I like the deal if we’re giving up EITHER Happ or Kendrick but not Kendrick and Jaramillo or Happ and Jaramillo unless we’re getting something on top of just DeRosa. I think he’ll be a good platoon in LF while Donald plays 2nd until Utley’s back.

26. OZ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    don’t want Happ in that deal – still has some promise. i’m fine w/ Kendrick & Jaramillo.

    De Rosa for Happ is something you do mid-season to beef-up for the stretch. not a good deal in December GM meetings.

    i make one more strong bid for Lowe, one more outreach to Toronto to see what it would take to get Halliday. Plan B – sign Moyer & Burrell, and be done with it.

    Not interested in Sheets in the least bit.

27. MA Phanatic Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    i have an idea this trade never develops and we end up with Raul Ibanez…

28. RK Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I hope we can make it happen with Lowe, or just trade for Peavy and leave the other teams out of it. Braves offered Burnett $80 Mil over 5 Years, and the Muts are trying to add more releivers

29. Gavin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Derosa is a good deal if it’s Kendrick and Jaramillo. Amaro still has to sign someone…..Moyer, Sheets, Lowe…..I dont mind going into next year with Happ/Carrasco competing for the #5 spot.

30. Manny Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    I really hope Marquis is not involved in this thing.

31. reddeath Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    OZ, halladay would take our entire farm and then some….

32. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Jaramillo doesn’t have anywhere to go in our organization, so we need to move him somewhere… Kendrick is kind of in the same spot.. Did he reach his ceiling already? Sure you could move him to AAA, hope he develops more, and have him available if somebody goes down… but to get a starter for those two is a good move.

    Since Happ is being counted on for the rotation more than Kendrick, I would not part ways with Happ in this deal… But Kendrick and Jaramillo for DeRosa sounds good to me.

    So the Padres get 5 players back for Peavy.. two of which are starters with ERAs around 5 (Marquis, Kendrick), and Catcher with limited upside (Jaramillo).. a STUD prospect in Vitters.. and I dont know anything about Hart.. I feel like you should get more for Jake Peavy

33. MP Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Peavy has a no-trade clause and he will only go to Chicago if traded.

    If this is an insurance policy, DeRosa is too expensive. Bruntlett could fill in if Utley is out at the begining of the season – which is impossible to know at this point. Why did we let Iguichi go again?? Wouldn’t he have been cheap? I would like this deal better if we wern’t giving up Happ, Kendrick, and Jarmillo. It should be one pitcher, and Jarmillo, not all three. Does anyone else feel like we’re getting screwed in this deal?

34. Manny Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “Derosa is a good deal if it’s Kendrick and Jaramillo.”

    I second that, Gavin. That would take care of LF and (2B/3B the first few weeks) while allowing us to get Lowe and maybe Moyer too. We lose power in our lineup but we would gain a lot of strength in our rotation. Overall, the team would be more balanced.

35. TheDipsy Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Only the Marquis de Sade could bear watching Jason Marquis pitch. He’s horrible. I wanna get back to the Delmon Young thing. Thats a guy I like.

    The Dipsy

36. reddeath Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    i think if were trading more then kendrick and jaramillo for one year of derosa, then no deal.

37. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    I think it is only ONE of those two pitchers + Jaramillo…. if its Kendrick + Jaramillo we’re making out like bandits

38. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    The way this deal is shaping up the Cubs get a high-class call girl, the Padres get a hot young one and the Phils get the the kinda cute in her own way but not so great one, not quite the toothless tranny outside port authority but when everyone else is getting theirs you want a little more.

    In otherwords if everyone else is getting a rolex in this deal then why are we settling for the casio?

39. RK Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    MP I think Iguchi went back to Japan

40. Manny Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Kendrick + Jaramillo for DeRosa: YES
    Kendrick + Jaramillo for DeRosa + Marquis: NO
    Happ + Jaramillo for DeRosa: NO
    Happ + Jaramillo for DeRosa + Marquis: NO

    That’s where I stand.

41. Mike B. Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Anyone also consider that the Padres might also be trying to trade for younger, lower-level MLB guys like Bruntlett who will just keep the seats warm, as it were, for any of the Padres prospects who won’t be ready for a few years? They got prospects from the Khalil Greene trade, they probably got prospects from the Maddux trade, they get prospects from this trade…the thing is you can’t just start your MLB season with a bunch of prospects. You gotta start some guys somewhere, even if they suck, to give your minor league players time to develop. Greene is gone, so it would make sense for us to give up Eric Bruntlett to the Padres. Whatever they have won’t be ready, even if the Padres are getting or have already gotten really good pitching prospects, they might need a veteran guy to fill Peavy’s place until those prospects are ready…one year of Adam Eaton won’t hurt because they’re already going to suck and they’ll be fine with taking him if that means their prospects are given more time to develop. Right now the Padres have almost NO ONE with any MLB starting experience besides Chris Young and Peavy…so Kendrick’s probably gone because he’s had almost two years worth of experience. They idea is what will help the Padres, and what will help them most is having a guy with MLB experience to keep the seats warm until their prospects are ready. That’s what the Brewers did in 2004 and 2005.

    Not sure if we give up Eaton, but we’re almost DEFINITELY giving up Bruntlett. The Padres traded Greene and they don’t have anyone to play shortstop. Most likely it’s Bruntlett and Kendrick, but Eaton’s a definite possibility by my logic.

    I’m putting on all the lucky clothes I wore during the Phillies playoff run and praying that we’re somehow trading Adam Eaton and half his salary.

42. Mike B Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Heck, giving up Bruntlett makes even more sense.

    Phils get a utility righthanded batter with more pop in Mark DeRosa.
    Padres get a slew of Cubs prospects plus guys like Kendrick, Marquis, and (maybe) Eaton to fill some current roster holes
    Cubs get Peavy.

43. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Yes Kendrick/Jaramillo for DeRosa is a decent deal but the Cubs make off with Peavy and the Padres with Vitters plus all the other prospects. If we ace the Cubs in a decisive series or in the play-offs their rotation is unstoppable and in the deal we made of with… DeRosa…

44. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    why would the padres want a utility player like bruntlett in a trade…if yorue trading peavy, you probably arent interested in bench players like that..the padres can go sign someone as good as or better than bruntlett for cheap anyway…

    im perfectly fine with getting derosa for kendrick/jaramillo..thats actually a great deal for the phillies…

45. Manny Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    But, NJ, the priority is to make OUR team better. Getting DeRosa would enable us to fill the LF gap AND use the money to get at least Lowe. That makes the team better.

    Of course, I’m assuming that if we DO make this trade, we would HAVE to upgrade our pitching by bringing in a guy like Lowe. If not, then it’s definitely not worth it.

46. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    its still worth it…the yankees are getting lowe…you can use the money savd by getting derosa to sign relievers and try and trade for a starting pitcher, since kendrick/jaramillo will probably not be missed in the farm system anyways…

47. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    This trade doesn’t make us significantly better, DeRosa’s appeal is his versatility in the field which is something the Phils don’t really need like some other teams. It doesn’t guarantee us a frontline pitcher and even less than a guy like Rivera does.

    I like seeing Amaro getting in the mix but everyone else gets off well in this trade and the Phils get slightly better than we would have been anyway for making the Cubs the frontrunner in the NL.

48. Chuck P Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Bruntlett is not a trade chip…

    I’m there with you NJ… we’re the nice guys in this deal. Everyone else is trying to accomplish a set of goals and we’re just there to help everyone out. The Padres bolster their farm, the Cubs establish themselves as the NL favorites (yes, having six pitchers named Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Hill, Lilly and Dempster to go along with a very good lineup and a formidable bullpen would make them the clear favorite) and we get a good player… don’t get me wrong, it’s not a bad deal (Jaramillo/Kendrick), I don’t know if it’s worth it when you consider what it does to our chances of repeating.

49. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    I’m not worried about what makes the Cubs better, I’m worried about what makes the Phillies better. If the Phillies back out of the deal, the Cubs will find another trade partner.
    Derosa for Kendrick and Jaramillo is a no-brainer.

50. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Bottom line is that DeRosa would be of more help.. in the playoffs, or regular season than Kendrick or Jaramillo … so make the trade

51. Mike B. Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    The Padres trading Bruntlett is a clear sign that the Padres aren’t interested in winning now. It’s just filling a hole on the cheap without having to risk free agency. They know we (hopefully) won’t give up our top prospects for a utility guy in DeRosa, and as far as our farm system goes, Happ is a higher rated prospect. They basically want guys who they can say played in the MLB and give you a chance, even if they didn’t. This would also prevent them from having to risk paying a guy more in free agency when they already know Bruntlett’s salary. They know Bruntlett is a utility guy and maybe one of those guys who you can’t find on the market (I don’t know the histories of everyone). And Bruntlett comes with a World Series ring – and that always looks good in the media guide. Signing a free agent from the Pirates last year after trading away your ace doesn’t look as good as signing a utility player who played for the World F**ing Champion Philadelphia Phillies AND scored the winning run in the World Series. It’s alot easier to spin that as a good trade.

52. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    The Cubs were better than the Phillies in 2008 and look what happened. If this trade makes the Phillies better, than do it. We’ll worry about the 7 regular season games against the Cubs when we play them. Worrying about playoff matchups is getting a little ahead of ourselves.

53. Mike B. Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Wait wait the Padres trading Peavy. Bad type-o.

54. Wilson Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    I’m pretty sure the Cubs were the NL favorite last year and it only won them one of the weaker divisions in baseball….the Padres getting some prospects doesn’t affect anyone anytime soon as prospects are not a definite…and DeRosa helps this team more than Kendrick or Jaramillo ever will. Pull the trigger and get me some starting pitching next!

55. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Aren’t the Cubs already the front-runners in the NL… on paper… lets see Peavy, Zambrano, and Harden all stay healthy the year after they were all injured …

    What I hate about these Hot Stove rumors is that they can’t just tell you who the actual players involved are… If Happ is in the mix I don’t like the trade, because I think he can be a sub-4.00 ERA starter for us, , which isn’t easy to come by. Kendrick and Eaton can thumbwrestle and the winner will be considered the better pitcher.. cause it sure is tough to determine by their horrible stats

56. Philsphan Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    How were the Cubs better than the Phillies in 2008? Sure they had more wins but we won the season series against them. We beat the Dodgers int he playoffs and they couldn’t. And we won the World Series? Anybody who says that the Cubs were better than the Phillies in 2008 is delusional. Maybe on paper at the beginning of the season the Cubs were better but the games aren’t played on paper.

57. reddeath Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    just wait till zambrano has a temper tantrum, harden’s arm falls off, dempster comes back to earth and peavy pitches at wrigley with the wind blowing out. then i think things will look a lot different. also look at peavy’s home/road splits last year, home era of 1.74 and 4.28 on the road. also chuck p. i assume the hill your talking about is rich hill, he was demoted to AAA last year and got lit up. so i don’t think he is a factor.

58. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Philsphan, the Cubs were better than the Phillies in 2008. I hate to break it to you. You can base it on the postseason or you can base it on the 162 season. If you look at their stats, their pitching was way better than ours and their hitting was on par with ours.
    I hear your point that we’re the World Champs and so we were better than every other team, but the Cubs were better over the course of the season…and then were really bad for 3 games.

59. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    the cubs are always the nl frontrunner on paper…im not worried about them at all though…they choked like little b!tches in the playoffs again…while the phillies put an end to the drought, curse, etc. and laid to rest all of that philadelphia choke talk once and for all….they flat out got the job done when it mattered most…and the cubs are pathetic and weak…theyve become the yankees of the NL now, going up and buying everything in sight..and it doesnt work. the yankees wont win the WS with sabathia and lowe and all that…because baseball isnt like that anymore..you have to buy the RIGHT players when you sign free agents, and the yankees are kind of just doing it because they think they have to…and because they can afford to..instead of trying to work a trade and bring in a guy who might be better for less money, they go and sign choke choke sabathia…who i will always remember for shane victorino taking him deep in game 22 of the nldss…

60. maxhole Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    the cubs were not better than the phillies in 2008. besides overall record, the phils nearly swept at home, and nearly swept away. and then WFC.

    hey dip, what happened to your foundation?

61. reddeath Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    i swear griffin is a mets fan on here to get everyone going.

62. Mike B. Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Look at the Brewers. They drafted Prince Fielder in June 2002. They traded for Lyle Overbay in winter 2002 to play first base, probably while they were waiting for Fielder to develop. They trade Overbay in the winter 2005 for Dave Bush. Fielder’s first full season was 2006. Overbay kept Fielder’s spot warm, Bruntlett could keep whoever’s spot warm.

63. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    reddeath, How dare you! That is the biggest insult anyone could call me!

    ok, I’m done talking about the stupid Cubs. My point is, let’s not worry about whether or not this trade makes the Cubs better and worry about whether or not this trade makes the Phillies better.

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    December 10th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

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65. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    yeah, I’m having trouble refreshing as well. The wordpress thing keeps coming up.

66. mike mike Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    I am really excitied to think the world series could be C.C. against Peavy in game one Zambrano and ming game two, game three Harden against burnett, 4 lowe against Dempster that is a great match up.

67. Wilson Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    apparently the latest news is that DeRosa isn’t getting traded….I think everything coming out of the winter meetings from these “sources” is just a lot of BS…truth is we won’t know whats going down until something actually goes down

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    December 10th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

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69. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    except no because niether the cubs or yankees will even make the WS…you can write that down…the yankees just earned so much bad karma by stealing lowe and sabathia….sabbthia earned mad bad karma from taking all that $..so hell get injured and miss half the season…

    i agree that the contstant mlbtr updates annoy the heck out of me because every update contradicts a previous update..so since the phillies are defeinitely in the deal and definitely tradnig some prospects, who do you think theyre getting?if its not derosa

    zambrano? felix pie? interesting…

70. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    I agree Geoff, I keep checking mlbtr and it’s driving me nuts. Who would the Phillies want? Pie. He’s a CF. Could they be interested in Ronny Cedeno or Ryan Theriot as a utility man? I hope they’re not just doing this for Jason Marquis.

71. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    yeah amaro is up to something though, tahts for sure…

    the conflicting information about this peavy trade has been the worst though…every 5 minutes something is refuted…mad disinformation out there…

72. mike mike Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    how can the national pay 200 million dollars to Texiria. That is why they stink. I would never pay him that unless he was the one piece to put me over the top. Use that money to sign Zimmerman and a starter like lowe and the rest on the draft. develop young talent. 20 million dollars, what do you think howard is worth. And don’t start about fielding. Howard is a 45-50 homeruns and 135=150 rbi man and if he doesn’t get hurt a future hof for his hitting a legit 500 homrun hitter for his career.

73. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Howard’s not worth what he thinks he’s worth and his streaky power doesn’t make up for his deficiencies in other areas of his game that he has to work on. The Nationals are going after Teix with reck reckless abandon because they feel they need someone to build around to create revenue.

74. mike mike Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Geoff the way the system is going it is very unlikely that small markets, will be able to compete. I know right now it hasn’t happen but the outrageous prices are making it difficult to have small markets get better. Even if they draft well soon as arb sits in the prices are so high they must trade or lose the player. Say Florida has a player like howard go to arb and get 15 million that is more than 70 percentage of there payroll. they couldn’t keep him. and if teams know that they will give less to obtain that player. For me I really don’t pay to see the phillies, I have had to give up the sixers because of price. It is only a matter of time until these becomes a four or five teams each year who could win. Remember in 2000 redsox were like the cubs but now have 2 title they wise up and draft well pay top dollar for prospect and get the good free agents in the ninety there farm was rated last now its one of the best. They have a big market to draw ad dollars and tv revenue

75. mike mike Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    NJ he is the best run producer in baseball. He can carry a team. I hope you are around when he hits the market. and see how your negative remarks tranlate to his record setting contract. Still think the national should wait to build up there team before committing 200 million to one player when they need so much more. And do you really believe he doesn’t make the HOF if he keeps up the produciton at his age in six or seven years he will be at 500 homeruns.

76. Wilson Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    what about the scott hairston rumor linked to the peavy trade….probably would be used as the righty half of a left field platoon…but i don’t think he’s worth the cost

77. Justin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    The word coming out of MLB Trade Rumors is that DeRosa won’t be traded and that the Phils want Scott Hairston.

78. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    actually…if you build your team well you can make a 2-3 year run and win a championship…REGARDLESS of what sized market youre in…there are just nopt many people capable of that…

79. Manny Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    The Nats need a guy like Texeira to build a fanbase… I’ve been to a couple of Nats’ games… the fans have nothing to cheer about. If you have a jersey, it says Zimmerman cause that’s the only option. They need someone BIG to get people (who are probably not that into baseball) to go to their BIG A** stadium. They don’t really care about winning, they just want to build a team.

80. Jason Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Thoughts on Scott Hairston?

81. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    worth kendrick and jarmaillo? really? those two guys are baseically useless to the phillies…anything you can get for them is a good move…

82. Wilson Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    I wouldn’t say Kendrick is completely useless….Jaramillo maybe. As of now the Phillies have three proven starters in Hamels, Myers and Blanton. Then the concoction of Kendrick/Happ/Carrasco who are completely unproven, despite Happs decent spot starts and Kendricks over valued pitching two years ago. Without signing anyone else their an injury away from certain disaster…so the only way I deal Kendrick is if I’m sure I can grab another starter…so far that’s not looking too great

83. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Well, Hairston is a right-handed hitter who hit 17 HRs in 326 ABs last year (while hitting in San Diego). His OBP the last 3 years are .301, .337 and .312, so he doesn’t get on base anywhere close to as often as Burrell.

    He made $400,000 last year and I believe he’s due for an arbitration raise.

    Overall…eh.

84. Wilson Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Anyway…I’m not any higher on Hairston than I am on any of the available free agents…it’s a pick your poison move that reeks of mediocrity

85. mike mike Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Geoff that was before arb cases got out of hand. Florida has 30 million dollar payroll if one player goes to arb and get big dollars they are done. before arb was smaller scale. you would have to draft sign and develop a whole team in three years not to get hit with arb. that is hard to do. most drafts are a couple of players.

86. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Tex is trying to get a $200 M contract… because his agent is trying to say that he’s closer in star-status to AROD ($30M) then he is to Torii Hunter ($18 M)…

    How Torii HUnter, Carlos Lee, Alfonso Soriano, etc.. are making almost $20 M per season is beyond me.. Baseball needs to have a salary cap because obviously this revenue sharing stuff doesn’t work if the top teams keep re-loading and the same few teams have sucked balls since the strike..

    Let me see the Pirates and the Royals have good teams for once

87. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    If Kendrick goes to San Diego I think he’ll have a great HOME ERA… his mistake pitches would only be doubles there instead of home runs here, because the alleys are so deep in SD

    What is the latest “semi-reliable” rumor that anyone is hearing with regard to the Phillies-Cubs-Padres-Twins-Orioles… this thing is a mess

88. Geoff Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    im not saying that a cap wouldnt be a good thing…but baseballs money system is disgraceful and totally out of control..teh arbitration system is supposed to rpevent salaries from getting out of hand, instead, its valuation system has falsely escalated their value to unrealistic proportions…the nhl is such a great product now because they have a responsible salary structure and the y made the players give back 25% of their salaries to make salaries more feasible to small-market teams..

89. maxhole Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    agreed. salaray caps because they don’t deserve the money. this stuff is just making me angry right now. its an insult to the fan

90. Griffin Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Don M, you are right. This thing is a mess. I honestly don’t know who the heck the Phillies are targeting. Derosa? Marquis? Hairston? Delmon Young? I am confused and my head hurts.

91. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    mike mike- I wouldn’t be negative on Howard if he wasn’t about to demand a record arbitration number despite consistently being shown up by guys like Trevor Miller let alone the good pitchers who made him look nothing short of aweful for most of the year. The thing I go to is he hit more solo shots than anyone else this year but was under the mendoza line with no-one on. He’d be the best player in the game if he checked his ego and started working on becoming a good productive hitter and not just a stat homerun hitter, he’s the K-Rod of hitting and it’s sad but true.

    I just wish with all of my heart Howard would start taking on the Pujols attitude to try and become the best he can be then I’d be on board with paying him the sky. Can you really say the guys playing up to his potential and leaving it all on the field and going into that batters box better schooled than the pitcher?

92. scot Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    i’d rather have jerry hariston than scott hariston. i’m so tired of this rumor. PULL OUT JR!!!

93. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Ticket prices are starting to get to the level of NFL face-value prices.. with the difference being 73 HOME baseball games for the Phillies (without making the Playoffs) … Going to the game, and buying $12 standing room seats and finding somewhere cozy in the OF, or in the 300 level was cool… now the standing room are like $18 each, and an actual seat average price is probably around $30.

    So take a date and there is $60 right there…$10+ for parking (you know those are going up this year with the high demand for tickets)… $7 for a beer, $4.50 for a hot dog..

    Seriously, MLB is getting out of control… Im a fan because my dad got me hooked on baseball, and we used to go to the Vet all the time… how many people can afford to take their kids to games now when its going to cost $200 for the family. Football at least is a “sunday” thing.. Baseball needs to be careful that they don’t overvalue themselves now

94. The Dipsy Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    When will Howard realize that he is going to get a first pitch low and outside breaking ball from a left handed pitcher EVERY TIME and STOP SWINGING at it!? If he had any kind of plate discipline he’d bat .330. Love him, though. He could be just so….much….better.

    The Dipsy
    Chairman of The Derek Lowe in Pinstripes Foundation

95. NJ Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Exactly! For once I agree wholly with something you’ve said Dipsy…

96. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    With Rollins, and Howard… don’t you think we have some guys that could keep Delmon Young in line?

    Jason Donald isn’t playing in Phildadelphia anytime soon.. I think they should really look into this, because the more I think about it.. it could be a sweet trade

    He’d have young, but experienced guys around him that he would hopefully listen too.. Philadelphia would be much more of a fun place than up in the frozen lakes

97. Wilson Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Not to be a jerk or anything Don M….but standing room are still 12 I believe and I only pay 26 a game for my lower level outfield season tickets (including the hike for this season)…but you’re point is well made and I agree!

98. Chuck P Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    This site is frustrating the hell out of me… getting this damn message… every time I submit a message, I lose it. Is Tim trying to tell me something?? No subliminals necessary, bud.

    You can’t say the Cubs aren’t better than us on paper at this point esp with Peavy… I’m ok with that because they are still the loveable losers HOWEVER up until a couple of years ago, we were that team… we can’t be complacent. To me, the most frustrating thing that I’m seeing is a willingness to go into next season with less than what we have. If you’re not moving forward, you’re getting passed by. Without Burrell/Moyer, we have holes to fill. On paper, the deal is great but Derosa is NOT Burrell… he might do nice things but he’s not going to give us the same run production that Pat did. If we get Derosa and a top pitcher, then I’m ok with because we have at least upgraded our pitching but don’t tell me that we’re better off with Derosa and some bum (than we were with Burrell and Moyer). Derosa is an upgrade over Bruntlett but you still have to show me what you’re planning on doing to upgrade for the loss of Burrell. We are the defending World F*ing Champions… now show me how we’re going to do it again.

99. Don M Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    FUKING JERK

100. Griffin Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

     Chuck P, I agree completely. Well put, let’s get better this offseason instead of sitting on our hands and being complacent. There is still a lot of time, but I’m worried that Derosa or Hairston or Juan Rivera and re-signing Moyer are going to be our off-season moves. Let’s get better!

101. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

     HAHA…sorry……

102. Don M Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

     Rooftops are $16, except between May2 5th-September 3rd.. when kids are out of school the tickets are then $18

     Upper Deck OF are $18, Upper Deck Infield are $24

     Lower Level OF are $30 (used to be $22 I think)

     Lower Level IF are $60

     if you have a season ticket plan you save like $0.75 on your tickets.. almost enough for a Dollar Dog, when I’m sure the tickets are jacked up for those nights too

103. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

     I did the math on my Sunday plan and it works out to $26.71 a ticket…but there’s a service charge included so I think it’s $26, until summer rolls around then gets hiked to 30 but season tickets cost the lower amount throughout the year

104. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

     ah you beat me to it….either way I miss the $8 700 level seats at the Vet…then you could just move down later in the game. But they’re only going to get more expensive from here on out

105. Don M Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

     only kidding.. its all good.

     I just never know what my schedule is like.. and if weather is nice on a weekend, id rather shoot down the shore, then stay up here because I have Phillies-Nationals tickets or something.

     So I usually just pick out random games I want to go to.. and end up at 10-15 a year.. And EVERY year I think about getting a 17-game plan but I never do it because my uncle has one and can’t always sell the games that he can’t make..

106. Chuck P Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

     How about this for a left field replacement… 4 years, $60 million for Adam Dunn. We were paying Pat $14 million. I know that’s a slim to none prospect and he bats lefthanded so he might have to bat 6th (imagine that) but it would be fun to watch, wouldn’t it? And if Howard leaves, he moves to first. That’s what I call a contingency plan… and you wouldn’t mind paying $16 to sit on the rooftop because there would be balls flying out there every night!

     Depending on which season ticket plan you buy, you can’t get tix for dollar dog days…

107. Griffin Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

     I have mixed feeling on Dunn. He’s a left-handed Burrell. Terrible defender, strikes out a ton, but does walk a lot and has serious power. He’s much better than any of the cheaper platoon options available though.

108. Don M Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

     Howard with Dunn behind him would provide one hell of a breeze on those hot summer nights.. all those swings and misses.. it would really be something!

109. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

     Don remember it’s Feliz a little behind them, the opposing catcher would have his own DIY air-con

110. Don M Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

     McCann would be nice and cool even with that beard..

111. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

     That’s how I was too until two years ago, when my buddy’s girlfriend wanted to get him the sunday plan for christmas so I got in on it. It’s a nice way to end the weekend…but you find yourself planning around it, and I’ve ended many a shore weekends for the sunday Phil’s game much to the annoyance of my girlfriend

112. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

     Don maybe the Braves would send us Francour as well to extend McCann’s career, they could send him out with a deck chair and cosmoplitan… Even with that beard

113. Memphis Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

     To all those who say, who cares if it seems that we’re helping the Cubs, I agree. That Peavy deal is getting done come hell or high water…or whether we’re in it or not. You think the Padres are going to nix a deal they’ve been sweating for 2 months because they really, really want JA Happ?

     If it is indeed DeRosa…I’m pleasantly surprised by DeRosa’s 2008 numbers, obviously his best power year ever, 21 HRs, 87 RBIs (for comparison’s sake Burrell 33 and 86), .857 OPS (.821 over last three years), compared to Burrell’s .874 (.889 over last three years). DeRosa hits for better average; Burrell has better power and walks more. Both strike out (though DeRosa somewhat less). DeRosa obviously adds defensive versatility, which is a really nice plus with Utley being out. All that for exactly one-third of Burrell’s salary. Not the same player, but DeRosa is arguably the much better value than a player like Burrell, and that’s a good thing. This is a good player. His offensive stats are actually pretty similar to Victorino’s without the steals. He’s also a far better version of Bruntlett (though Bruntlett only makes $600K), but maybe without Bruntlett’s speed.

     The concern has to be getting somewhat pitching-thin, though Rube says pitching is his priority. Without Lowe or Moyer, where does that leave us? It kinda forces us to look at Garland, Looper, etc. Preferring Happ or even Kendrick to $10M for Garland is a valid argument.

     Another potential downside to this, as I see it, is that we only have so many trade pieces, so do we use one or two now for DeRosa? Or do we step back and try to put something together for someone like Ryan Ludwick? Or maybe Jeremy Hermida? All said, I really can’t argue with getting DeRosa. I also can’t argue with Chuck P and the war cry to do more this off-season than talk to Lowe and re-sign Moyer. Braves and Mets will be better. Never been a fan of Dunn though.

114. The Dipsy Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

     Pat Burrell for Philly in 2009: 30 90 .280

     DeRosa 15 40 .285 in left field
     Jenkins 20 65 .270

     So whats the problem. Don’t you people understand that an effective platoon is very often more effective than one gut in that position. Plus, it gives you an extra guy for the bench. PLUS, it gives you better D. Burrell is…not…that…good. I want Delmon Young, though.

115. psujoe Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

     What’s it going to cost to land Ibanez who by all accounts really wants to be in Phill. I know he’s lefty, but he bats as good against lefties as Derosa and much better against righties. More pop in his bat as well. Use Kendrick or Happ to get other players, IMO.

116. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

     Just read this as well:

     Gordon Edes agrees, Lowe is not on the verge of signing. He does have offers in hand from the Yanks and Phillies, with the Mets and Red Sox in talks. The Brewers made contact but are considered a long shot. Edes says Lowe’s desire to return to Boston has been overstated. Edes says the two offers are in the four-year, $65MM range, and a fifth year could clinch it.

     that’s a lot of money for Lowe…..

117. Eb Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

     You know what is lost in all of this trade talk. LOCKING UP COLE HAMMELS

118. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

     agreed Eb

119. psujoe Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

     Dispy, Derosa only hit more than 13 homers once in his entire career. If he reverts to normal you could count on him for about 6 or 7 dingers against Lefties. That’s not what the Phillies need.

120. Memphis Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

     DeRosa doesn’t have reliable power, that’s true, but it’s not all about home runs. (I would question Jenkins hitting 20 next year as well.) If we absolutely need 25+ homers out of LF, we’d be better off with trying Juan Rivera. Ibanez may not even guarantee you 25 dingers.

     Crazy as it sounds, if we miss out on Lowe, I would consider matching LA’s 2-year offer (now withdrawn) to Manny. You want to protect Ryan Howard….?

121. Brian Michael Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

     derosa went to penn

122. psujoe Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

     Boras won’t let Manny sign for less than $100 million. IF the Red Sox sign Texiera, the Angels will pony up for Manny.

123. Steve Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

     Apparently the Angels dont want Manny. I have a feeling hes gonna have to accept a 2-3 year deal, but I still dont want him as a Phillie

124. The Dipsy Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

     PsuJoe. Look at DeRosa the past three years.

     The Dipsy

125. The Dipsy Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

     Are you kidding? I would sign Manny for 2y/40m in a second.

126. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

     this is a little off topic but Jayson Stark is now reporting that the Phillies aren’t pursuing Lowe anymore. I can’t take all this rumor mongering….I’m only getting my news from Phillies.com press releases from now on

127. psujoe Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

     Dipsy, Derosa’s HRs the last 3 years are 13, 10, 21 in 500+ AB’s each year. Last year he actually had more power against righties. 1 dinger every 23 ABs against righties, 1 dinger every 29 AB’s against lefties. Nice average though. Pat was one every 22 against lefties, 1 every 15 against righties(monster number).

     The problem for me is I don’t have confidence that A) Werth can stay healthy and B) he can hit righties well enough. We may need Jenkins to play RF against Righties.

     Now, If we make this deal, I’d be OK if we then sign Ibanez and dump Bruntlett. If the players could handle their new roles it could really work out nice. It depends on what Ibanez would cost.

128. The Dipsy Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

     Damn, psu. Now THATS a good Idea.

129. Justin Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

     CSN just reported the phils have interest in LHP John Parrish, dunno what for, maybe to be a backup option to play at Lehigh incase something happens in the bullpen or rotation.

     Jayson Stark reporting that the Phils haven’t offered Lowe a deal yet on CSN Jon Heyman said that the Phils did offer a contract whos telling the truth exactly?

130. Georgie Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

     CSN just reported that the word around the meetings is that Burrell is no longer able to play LF, and his batting numbers are inflated due to playing in “the bandbox”, which isn’t true because he had more HR’s on the road this year. They figure he will go for 6-8M, and he his the Angels back-up, back-up plan, pretty disappointing for P the B.

131. Griffin Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

     ESPN is reporting that the Yankees offered A.J. Burnett a 5-year deal.

132. Justin Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

     Hope thats true that allows the Phils another shot at Lowe if thats the case.

133. psujoe Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

     LOL, Dipsy.

     It sure would give Charlie a lot of flexability in the lineup.

134. Derek Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

     http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/phillies-lookin.html

     I think this pretty much says it all

135. Maverick Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

     Nice Derek. He needs to go,

     Btw does anyone know if Eaton got a World Series ring? or did he need to be part of the postseason roster?

136. Malcolm Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

     Trying to shed Eaton. . . I wonder what Ruben’s up to..?

137. Justin Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

     BREAKING NEWS….

     http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_homepage/?Breaking-Phillies-to-Make-Deal-in-an-Hou=1&blockID=20496&feedID=717

     Whatever it is its apparently pending a physical of the player or players.

138. cm Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

     http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081210&content_id=3710546&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

     Sabathia accept Yankees offer. 7 yrs/160 mil

139. psujoe Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

     ANy guesses on the player that’ll be a Philly in an hour?

140. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

     nervous…

141. Tomato Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

     MLB TR has the phils making a trade with physicals pending

     http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/phillies-trade.html

142. Manny Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

     Amaro also added that, “It’s a smaller deal.”

     So maybe De Rosa?

143. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pm

     unlikely, this news has got me tweaked and wonder if it’s Jaramillo or Kendrick moving since their names have popped up out of the blue today.

144. mike mike Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

     maybe punto

145. Jason Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

     It looks from MLBTR it might be with the Pirates.

     I spent 10 mins looking and couldnt find anything

146. mike mike Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

     Steve phillips reported a story on a trade and david murphy picked it up. The dumbest story That I ever heard. phillies will send Donald and either Carrasco or Happ to Cubs for utility infielder Mark De Rosa. If Amaro would do that then he is the next Ed wade.

147. mike mike Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

     The pirates make sense in that they would take eaton if we paid his contract.

148. Jason Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

     Take this for what its worth

     http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/phillies-trade.html#comments

     Some dude named Eric Patterson, 2b, A’s –if you dont feel like looking thru.

149. mg52 Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

     The Phils better not make this trade. The amount of young talent they have is thin as it is. It would be their suicide note if they followed through with this.

150. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

     Eric Patterson’s meant to be a pretty decent young player and the A’s are deep in the middle of the infield.

151. Tomato Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

     the phillies aquired C Ronny Paulino from the Pirates for C Jason Jaramillo — MLB TR

152. mike mike Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

     They should be deep they got our best prospect in Cardenas a second basemen. by the way the mets our getting Putz in a trade that is almost complete. big deal we got patterson

153. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

     Makes the AAA team better, decent move by Amaro if this is true since Jaramillo looks to have hit his ceiling whereas Paulino has a decent bat but has never put it together behind the plate.

     Would have loved Patterson…

154. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

     Cardenas wasn’t our best prospect, we sold low but he wasn’t close to Carrasco, Marson and there are a few guys to get excited about in the system.

155. mike mike Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

     NJ go onto phuture phillies which is a minor leagues site and ask them. Cardenas was our number 1 prospect. also bb america.

156. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

     I know all about Cardenas, I thought Golson should have been sent to Oakland in the Blanton deal but I’m sure Beane insisted on Cardenas. He was rated at the top of most analysis of the Phillies farm going into ‘08 but Carrasco and Marson came on leaps and bounds. Carrasco is now considered a legit top flight prospect and Cardenas hadn’t reached that level, he might and as I said we sold low on him but it’s not as bleak as it’s made out here. The Phils need to draft and recruit with more purpose but there’ve been some good names added in the last year or so.

157. mike mike Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

     I agree on them drafting and signing more top prospect. Screw the commissioner office that says to stay in slot for choice the redsox yankess marlins tigers dont listen and there systems are good for it and also milaukee,

158. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

     MLB recently ranked the 50 best prospects in baseball….Carrasco and Marson were both on that list at 28 and 43 I believe. Cardenas was no where to be found……

159. Manny Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

     Yawn

160. Derek Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

     Ronny Paulino? Why? maybe flip him for something? I know the Marlins were interested in him for Hermida? Still doesn’t make sense to me

161. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

     This deal is exactly why the Bucs struggle so much, all but a couple of their prospects tank it in the majors and their forced to trade them at rock-bottom value for guys who aren’t going to greatly and positively impact their future. For the Phils Paulino has upside but I hope this isn’t the prelude to Coste heading to SD in a deal for just DeRosa, that’s not the deal you want to be the nice guy in.

162. NJ Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

     Makes sense even if it’s purely for adding a better more experienced catcher to the AAA team and it does give the flexibility to move Coste if that’s what Amaro’s planning.

163. Wilson Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

     I’d guess this is the end of Coste in Philly….or Paulino is going to be around for 24 hrs…they’re like the same player…decent at the dish but not the greatest game callers

164. scot Says:
     December 10th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

     K-Rod Who!?!?!?!?

     Bask in the glow of Ronny Paulino!!!!

     Wooooooooooooooo!!!!

165. Chris.I Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:00 am

     Let me say this….I know it’s early, but So far, Amaro hasn’t done sh*t to improve this team one bit. If he thinks adding DeRosa is the blockbuster deal this year for the Phillies, he need’s to be ran out of Philadelphia. Especially to add more depth to the best starting pitching in the NL…I mean come on now! Wtf is he thinking? Only way I’d be happy if the Cubs got Peavy is if we got Zambrano

166. mike mike Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:04 am

     Wilson I said Cardenas was at the time the number one prospect for the phillies. he was traded and rushed to double a texas he is only 20. I am not talking about now. Believe what you want. go back to last year. which is what we were talking about.

167. Brett Myers Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:06 am

     I say trade Kendrick for Kobayashi Iwamura

168. mike mike Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:08 am

     I really don’t know anything about Paulino but he was rumored in a couple of deals. Seems a couple of teams were interested in him. This deal could only mean the end to coste. And why would he be added to help triple a if he isn’t a good catcher calling games. That makes no sense. to sign someone who isn’t going to help develop our pitching prospect.

169. TwoTonsOfIrony Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:08 am

     Chris, simmer a little. stuff doesn’t usually happen at the winter meetings. The Phils did absolutely nothing at the winter meetings last year. Everyone gets excited, a little bit happens, and then everything goes away for a month. We can’t judge Amaro until it’s all over.

170. mike mike Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:18 am

     What bothers me is putz to the mets. before the meeting the mets had money to spend. they get k rod cheaper than anyone thought, now putz they will be able to spend big for a leftfielder most likely ibanez and springer. a lot under what they thought with money left to get in on a starter.

171. Memphis Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:24 am

     Would we be happier if the Braves got Peavy instead?

172. Memphis Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:32 am

     Per Stark, the idea of getting DeRosa for only Happ has sparked other teams to offer more for DeRosa, and now the Cubs are not wanting to trade DeRosa.

     http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3761236

173. mike mike Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:39 am

     The man hits 22 homruns one time and is 34 years old. and is the hottest player on this blog why, he is a free agent in one year and makes only 5.5 million is that why. Who the hell is Mark De Rosa let the cubs keep him if he was so good why are the cubs looking for another outfielder.

174. Griffin Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:39 am

     Crap.
     Mets are on the verge of getting J.J. Putz for Heilman, Endy Chavez, Joe Smith and assorted other crap. This is not a good deal for the Mess, it’s a GREAT deal.

     The pressure is on Amaro, let’s make something happen.

175. Chris L Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am

     Chris, as others have said …..relax. The winter meetings are a place to begin trade talks many times but not necessarily finish them. Does Amaro need to do more this winter? yes, but there’s no reason to get hositle yet.

     There are a few things to expect from Ruben in the next few weeks.
     1. free up a roster spot (and at least a few million) by moving Eaton, Jenkins, Kendrick and/or Stairs. Right now, the team as an extra back of the roation guy (i that) and an extra leftie off the bench,
     2. Get 2-3 of the arbitration eligible guys sign for multiyear deals (specificaly Hamels) while taking care of the others withouy having them turn on the team
     3. Don’t give away more than $30 total or $8/yr to any free agents specifically pitchers over 36
     4. Trade Coste (and now paulino) somewhere that he has a chance to cnotribute and allow marson to take over as the back update.
     5. Sign a veteran starting pitcher to be the 4/5 to a 2 year or less contract (3rd option year ok)
     6. Get a solid to potentially electric OF who can hit lefties

     If he can accomplish these things, I will be happy with his first winter as GM.

176. Manny Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:46 am

     Sounds like a very good deal for the Mets, damn it.

177. Malcolm Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:47 am

     The Mets are going to get Putz in the trade, sign Ibanez and may be able to talk Oliver Perez into a lower offer.

178. Chris L Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:47 am

     Doesnt the Putz deal, by including Chavez, make them even more desparate for a corner OF (mayb e Pat will actually go there) and bullpen help (although that has had some improvements lately).

179. Manny Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:47 am

     Chris L… thank god you’re not our GM…cause that sounds cheap!

180. Malcolm Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:49 am

     What the Mets are doing is legitimate. Come on Ruben, grow some serious balls.

181. Griffin Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:51 am

     I can’t believe Putz could be had for that slop. Endy Chavez??? Seriously, why would a rebuilding team like the Mariners want him? Yuck. I know the offseason has a long way to go, but so far the Muts have added K-Rod and Putz and the Phillies have Ronny Paulino.

182. Manny Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:51 am

     Malcolm, we’re fighting the Yankees for Lowe… I think that takes some serious balls.

183. mike mike Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 12:58 am

     Manny the phillies pulled out as reported on lowe. Chris great enthusiam. but to be real, putz and k=rod is a big improvement. if the mets get another starter. like lowe or burnett or perez back with there offense.they will be strong . I have to believe the only way the phillies improve is through a trade.

184. Manny Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 1:06 am

     mike mike, where did you get that info (that phillies are no longer pursuing Lowe)?

185. mike mike Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 1:34 am

     At 518 p.m. Jason Shark reported it and added that they never made a offer. its was on mlbtraderumors.com. My guess is when they talk to his agent and saw the dollars they walked away. only a guess.

186. Wilson Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 1:45 am

     Stark said that but Amaro told Scott Lauber at 8pm that they’ve kept things alive with Lowe….who knows whats true….thats why they’re rumors

187. Wilson Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 1:47 am

     or how bout this one……..Chan Ho Park?????????/

     http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/phillies-close.html

188. Geoff Says:
     December 11th, 2008 at 1:57 am

     No way they actually see him as a starter, thats wrong…good bullpen arm though for cheap…a body to throw out there who can still get some people out…dont panic, hes not a starter, he wont beat JA Happ for that spot, calm down everyone…hes a bullpen arm..tahts an acceptable signing as a bullpen guy..

189. Daniela Says:
     February 10th, 2009 at 6:19 am

     That is so interesting for me! Thanks!

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