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69 Responses to “Bako Aquisition Could Clear Up Coste”

1. fred Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 11:44 am

   bako sucks, this signing means nothing. Just organisational depth in case of another injury.

2. Don M Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am

   Marson isn’t a Major-League ready catcher.. yet.

   I think Bako is a really good Defensive catcher? Maybe just some insurance to have an experience backup for later in the year, just in case

3. Bruce Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

   Agreed Don. At first, I wondered who Tim refers to as the 4th ML catcher for the Phillies. As you said, the Phillies wanted insurance (in case of injury to Ruiz or Coste) and signed a 10 yr ML veteran in Bako. Marson is unproven and questionable as being ready to move up to the majors.

4. Don M Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

   Its just that if something happens to Ruiz.. and knowing that Coste can’t play everyday..

   do you want an inexperience Marson.. or a veteran, Bako calling games when they matter?

   Hopefully this situation never comes up, but its another “just in case” move that gives us some needed depth

5. Bill Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

   Bako is a heck of a defensive catcher….at the very least, nice depth and it doesn’t cost much at all. with this move, phils stating they do not feel comfortable yet with Marson’s handling of a major league game behind the plate.

6. Tim Malcolm Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

   Marson is major league-ready. Is he experienced? No. But he’s major league-ready.

7. Geoff Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

   This is basically in case ruiz, coste, AND marson get injrued. Paul Bako wont be of much use to a major league roster. Given his experience though, it might not be a bad idea to put him in AA and let him work with Travis as the backup in reading.

8. Geoff Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

   Oops, I meant Single A…

9. Geoff Says:
   May 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

   I TOTALLY agree Tim. Just because he may not slot as a regular on this team doesnt mean hes not Major League Ready. HE could play EVERYDAY for a few other major league teams. So keep that in mind. Just because somehow Carlos Ruiz has a total lock on the starting job here doesnt mean Lou Marson isnt a major league catcher right now. To Boston he might be, in which case I would be trying to get a hold of some of the pitching they have there..

10. The Little Guy Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Geoff i agree, i don’t understand why Ruiz is so highly regarded when he hits .220 every year?

11. The Little Guy Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Anyone else think Hamels should get the start Sunday at the Yankees? I think it would be an awesome game to sit back with some brew and just watch..

12. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Marson, to me, looked COMPLETELY OVERMATCHED in his brief stint this year.. in his first game at Washington, he had 2 hits …another the next night

    and then went 1-for-11, with 7 Ks.. 3 walks.. and a run scored

    He’s got a good arm, but isn’t in sync at all with the pitchers (experience factor, though)..

    We can agree to disagree, I just didn’t think he looked ready, and said so as soon as they sent him back down… Maybe by August he will be, but I don’t think he is right now

    ADAM EATON and KYLE KENDRICK could/do play for other major league teams.. so lets not use that arguement as a determining factor..

13. Bill Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Hamels will definitely get the start sunday in yankee stadium.

    I disagree Tim, I think the Bako signing does not put coste on the market, instead the phils don’t feel comfortable with Marson handling the staff yet. Bako started 88 games behind the plate last year. he can’t hit, but the phillies feel ‘D’ at that position is more important right now and Bako is one of the best in the league behind the plate handling pitchers. this signing is 100% about the phils not comfortable with Marson handling the pitchers yet if Ruiz goes down.

14. The Little Guy Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Just saw something on ESPN First Take that the Mets and Phillies have a lot of interest in Cliff Lee

15. lm Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    so excited that hamels is pitching tonight!! he has great numbers against cinn so hopefully we’ll be winning tonight’s game

16. Andrew R. Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    First off, Marson is a young catcher who was slotted in the #8 hole right in front of the pitcher. It’s not like he saw a whole bunch of good pitches to hit. One thing I noticed about Marson was his ability to work the count. Even if the end result was a strikeout, just working deep into a count can help a lot more than ruiz’s 2-pitch ABs.

    Marson IS major league ready and his time will come.

17. William Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Tim is right about Marson…he is ML ready.

    Not everyone goes up and becomes a star right away. I mean David Price is in AAA for Tampa Bay..you think his first stint was bad??? Lead them to a World Series appearance.

    So many others like Utley first stints weren’t great. Marson’s first ML game he hit a HR by the way, last year.

    No one here is saying Marson is a second coming or a future Hall of Famer but he can play in the ML today!

18. William Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I got so fired up about Marson I forgot to comment on the Coste thing. I think it was good to get depth but I DON’T think Coste is the RH pitch hitter they need…

    Hopefully he brings a starter for him in a deal instead of our RH answer off the bench.

19. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    The point is you can leave Carrasco alone…you can trade some other younger arms that the White Sox might like…

    Also..STAY AWAY FROM JAKE PEAVY. Pitchers from San Diego and hitters from Colorado have INFLATED NUMBERS. Matt Holliday has been a huge bust away from colorado like I said he would be. 2009: .261 Ave 4 HR 23 RBI

    Jake Peavy does NOT project well in CBP, he is a flyball/K pitcher. His road ERA last year was over 4.

    The guy to go after is Buerhle, if you cant get him Dan Haren (probably untouchable), then if you cant get him Cliff Lee.

20. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Coste has no trade value….and hes not the ideal pinch hitter from teh right side…

21. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    So it must be Marson’s .220 average in AAA that has everyone ready to call him back up ??

    Listen, I want Marson to be a stud even more than the next guy.. but he’s clearly not ready to take the job here, right now.. maybe he could be starting for the Padres?, or the Nationals? or whoever.. but he’s not ready to take Ruiz’s job..

    Marson is overmatched at the plate, and he doesn’t handle a major league pitching staff yet.. there is no need to rush him, as he’s only like 23 years old

    People are just too hyped on these guys because they are the first prospects we’ve had in a long time that got some national press (so they must be good, right?) .. But the problem starts when the Marson and Donald fan clubs are sitting on their hands, waiting to go.. long before the players are ready for that kind of praise..

    Donald is hitting .247, Marson .220

    You could argue that Rollins isn’t even hitting that high, and that Ruiz’s .250 isn’t great either.. but you add the Defense, and Experience factors, and it means that Donald and Marson still aren’t anywhere near close to taking these spots

22. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Dan Haren.. 2.09 ERA, 0.89 WHIP isn’t going anywhere… how did his name come up?

    THe Diamondbacks signed him through the 2012 season, so they are in no rush to move him at all.

23. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    People keep bringing him up…but they locked him up for a reason. He is going to be their ace because Webb has injury problems and theyre not giving him an extension.

24. Jack Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    The AAA guys and AA guys will be called up “permantantly” only if injuries or unbalanced trades take place. Other than that, the only call up I see happeneing that may last, is Kendrick, a bullpen guy, maybe marson/mayberry for depth only. Ruiz has to play worse than Lance Parrish (the Philly one) to loose his job. Everything else is for depth purposes only.

    Building for the future is not the Phillies number 1 priority right now. We want to win; hence the several re-signings of all people arbitration eligible to keep this team happy and “together”.

25. ryan Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I think Coste’s magical run in the majors is coming to an end. He’s shot.

26. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    keeping the future looking positive is a smart move though becuase in 3-4 years.. our rotation is 80% different than it is today.. with Hamels still being here.

    Feliz is gone, Ibanez is gone, … Rollins probably will be on his last legs.. Howard will probably be gone after this current contract..

    Lidge and Madson will both be done their contracts..

    So you dont want to just trade all your prospects for guys to help you win another World Series.. you want to keep adding pieces that you think can help you win.. and have a new puzzle starting to come together in your farm system, instead of at the MLB level

    …
    My best guess for who the Phillies get (if he’s really avaiable).. Aaron Cook from the Rockies.. a 4.41 ERA lifetime, and his entire career at Coor’s Field.. he throws almost 60% Ground Balls.. and wouldn’t cost a lot to obtain.

    Kendrick can go there since he’s a sinkerball pitcher in return.. I wonder what that would cost, but he’s the type of arm they go after.. I can’t see us outbidding NY for Cliff Lee, etc

27. Jack Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    I am a firm believer of going through the organization to fill “needed” voids. However, I see no glaring holes right now except a right handed bat off the bench (maybe Mayberry but doubtful) and a starter or two. How the FO fixes them problems, I dunno, but a trade is not 100% necessary.

    Remember, its not MLB 2K9. You cant just trade for whoever you want and fill the gaps via free agency. And if it dont work out turn off the system. The FO, manager, leaders of the team, along with owners, etc. have to be completely comfortable with trading prospects for 28 yr old+ players for a year, maybe 2.

    In my opinion, we will not see many changes happen other than a pitcher fill in for Park (Happ) and maybe, maybe moyer take a back seat for Kendrink or another in the minors. No major moves till the trade deadline, especially if we are winning.

28. mikemike Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    If you can draft and develop talent, then trading prospect for missing pieces is the way to be successful. this team has older guys in there prime. so we sacifice a year of howard who is probalbey leaving , and utltley busting his guts. and rollins and others because we have to keep our prospects even if a trade can win us a pennant, can’t ever agree with that losing attitude, and then the rockies will take Kendrick I guess they don’t scout him in lv. or see him against there minor league teams. Good team like boston trade for missing pieces and fill in there weak spots with trades, they draft well, For the first time since we had the four great pitching prospect at reading, coggins and others who amount to nothing we have players other teams want, if tomorrow we trade our top prospect for a top pitcher a 1 or 2 what the hell is wrong with that, what guaranteed is there that any of these kids makes the team let alone becomes a 1 or 2 if financial you can do it why not?

29. Keith Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Phillies-Mets want Cliff Lee? Go Phillies

30. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    If the mets get involved we will back off off cliff lee. the phillies HATE bidding wars. they grabbed ibanez under the radar with no one to bid against and they really lucked out that he is this good.

    Aaron Cook is another back end guy that they have enough of already. I know they love to do that but its only worth grabbing cook if the asking price is Kendrick and some decent throw ins.

    They should try to do something off the radar because tahts what theyre really good at. Making that surprise move where noone is competing with them that really helps the ball club win without sacrifing their future.

    You can keep Carrasco where he is. there are PLENTY of other younger arms to package together and the draft is coming up soon anyways. This draft, the Phillies should be going over slot due to their lack of top round picks and spend money to lock up a better player.

31. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Also…Thats why jason donald is valuable. Because feliz is gone soon and Rollins has liek two years left on his deal…so itd be wise to hold onto donald and to hold onto freddy galvis.

    they can afford to part with one young good starting and one young good relief arm if it means a front end starter who is signed beyond thid season.

32. Jack Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    i agree to an extent mikemike, but why trade away possible talent when it may not be necessary? I know thats not all your saying. Also, why trade guys who the organization feel can help us in 1-2 years for some one who will be on the roster for 2 1/2 months? When, in my opinion, we do not “need” Cliff Lee and his contract at this point. Maybe in July if are out 2-3 games and a starter is hurting.

    Its a business also. Im not sure how much Lee’s contract is worth, but im sure its not 450,000.

    I wanna win every single year, and if we win by using our own draftees than so be it. If we have to dump 2-3 of them to get the missing piece than by all means, do it. i just think its a little to early to be talking about trading 2-3 prospects for something we dont “have to have”. Just my opinion.

33. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Lee has a cheap option next year and maybe even the one after…i agree thouhg.

    i HATE 2 month rentals. if youre going to get a starter, at least make sure the guy will be around next year…

34. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    mikemike.. you gotta type one sentence at a time..

    If we could add a Roy Halladay or someone who is CLEARLY a stud pitcher.. then yea, you open the vault and them take whatever they want in return..

    But would you feel comfortable doing that for Buerhle, or Bedard?

    Do we know that those guys will be any better than Carrasco or Drabek in two years??

    I think right now we’re more than a few “pieces” away from repeating as WS Champs.. but since we’ve got some valuable pieces coming up the system.. maybe we’re currently closer to contending in 2011 than most other teams (if that makes sense)

    You can’t really compare us to the RedSox because they have a $200 M payroll, and buy whoever they want.. They will start to slide though, as Ortiz isn’t great anymore, JD Drew is old.. Ellsbury isn’t the All-World player they thought he would be..

    They’ve got a lot of pitching, but if they are smart, they’ll keep it because Wakefield, Dice K, Beckett, etc.. are old and or injury prone..

    Rumor had it that Joe Mauer was their prime target of the future.. now Im seeing Victor Martinez as the guy they want to be their Catcher

35. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    If you can grab an Aaron Cook, without giving up “Top Prospects” you have to do it though.. but maybe Blanton turns it around.. and Moyer starts throwing more than 4 innings ..

    (Kendrick + John Mayberry Jr.) for Aaron Cook is something to keep an eye on..

    I think the Phillies want to hold on to prospects too because Hamels is going to get a MONSTER deal at some point.. If they plan on holding onto Victorino and Werth it will cost more than $5-6 M per year, etc..

    you need to have a few guys on your team that are young, good, and making only $500,000 …

36. mikemike Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    When you talk about prospect it isn’t a 200 million dollar payroll. Each team puts x amount of dollars in the draft. The Florida marlins are one of the best at drafting there problems is they can’t keep them.I really think this team has a two or three year window and unlike the eagles who just want to be competitive. The phillies should grab the chance to win again. I want a guy who with Hamels gives us a great matchup nomatter who we play. you really don’t have a two or three right now. Myers and is 88 miles an hour fastball doesn’t cut it. Carrasco , maybery kenrick aren’t going to get you a top pitcher, I don’t worry about Victorino or Werth, not with all the outfield prospects we have, Taylor. Brown, Collier, Gose ,we lack infielders. Get into the playoffs and with Hamels, then another stud, in short series two studs with our offense would be dynamite. Last year we got a Cook type in blanton, he got lucky but the real blanton stinks, If you are telling me that Hamels and Howard are gone, then lets win now, Because guys like howard and hamels, don’t come along often so take the window and run.

37. JeffR Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    I don’t understand what this has to do with Coste being a righthanded bench bat. He’s already that when he’s not starting, which is most of the time. They need a better righthanded bat than Coste or Bruntlett.

38. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Thats for sure…It ALL depends on the asking price for Buerhle and guys of his caliber.

39. mikemike Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Knowing the white sox. They will want a top two or three prospects. plus they will wait until the trade deadline. I am very afraid of pitchers who switch leagues. I know guys will tell me about this one or that but a lot of the ones .I think of didn’t relate well. mostly the second tier guys like blanton. The top guys mostly have no trouble.

40. mikemike Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    And sorry didn’t the white sox G.M. get accuse of trading damage goods, By more than the phillies. Can you trust Him?.

41. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Buerhle and Bedard are worth more than Lee… In my opinion.. because they have that proven record.. Lee was sent back to the minors in 2007. Maybe he figured something out then and is going to be awesome for years to come.

    Good points about Howard and Hamels though… we have guys on the roster right now that might be among the Best Ever for the Phillies… Lets go for it while they are on top of their games..

    The other arguement.. its stay competitive and hope you’re playing your best ball at the right time like we did last year… when we clearly weren’t the most talented team in the playoffs. we were just playing the best baseball when it mattered the most..

    THIS is why we aren’t supposed to be talking trades and stuff on May 19th though.. because Moyer could pitch great his next two outings vs Reds, and Marlins.. and then we’re right back where we started from

42. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Well Moyer has a LONG way to go to get back. In order to keep me quiet about him, he needs to shut down the Reds and Marlins in consecutive starts. Hes really up against it.

    I think Ruben Amaro made the statement that theyre in win now mode. They will let a few guys go liek Burrell and maybe Myers and they will replace a few of those guys with young players. but they are a big market team now. That doesnt mean they should go bonkers with payroll, and they wont. But they locked up a bunch of guys this offseason. The Hamels (who still has one arb year after his contract expires) and howard deals and the length or rauls cotnract and lidges cotnract show me that they really think they have three years with this general group.

    So if yorue trading for a starting pitcher you want to keep that in mind…

43. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    also..when these guys do walk (though, for some reason i dont see them ever letting chase utley leave, i sort of think hell be a career phillie, just too popular). I also think theyll keep hamels beyond 2012, at least for a three year extension after this contract ends.

44. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    but once their contracts end, howard and rollins, probably ibanez (who will be like 38/9 then), myers, feliz, blanton all seem gone. maybe werth and victorino will be extended, maybe one maybe none. hard to tell at this point.

45. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    People need to understand that we got Blanton because he was a better option than Kendrick, Eaton, etc..

    It’s not that they thought Joe Blanton was going to win the next couple Cy Young awards.. he’s an average pitcher, who “eats innings” … in his career he did a great job of getting into the 7th innings, having kept his team in the ballgame..

    People looking for Blanton to battle Brett Myers as the #2 on this staff need to realize why we got him, and what his role is… it’s not going out and trying to throw no-hitters… its letting the other team put the ball in play and have the defense make outs… try to keep the pitch count low and try to go 6-7 innings

    This year, he’s having trouble as a lot of the guys he walks seem to be coming around to score, (WHIP 1.68) …
    he’s got 16 Walks already this year..

    in 2007, over 230 Innings, he walked only 40 batters..

46. mikemike Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Blanton doesn’t bother me as much as what they gave up for a average pitcher. Outman is already starting ,and cardenas will be a good second basemen he is twenty one and already got moved to triple a and they just moved spencer to duouble a. How much more did the cubs give up or diamondbacks for better pitchers. The thing is last season even though he was getting victories, most games charlie had to pull him in 5 innings or 6 not a inning eater like advertised. just look at his quality starts last year. He was like lucky, just like lee last year unhittable. how about this year.

47. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Good points Geoff.. that was what I was trying to get across..

    That the young guys you have in A, or even AA right now.. you can’t always just trade them away, because at some point you need to have players ready to step-in for those who depart..

    Too many teams don’t keep that balance going… and the only way to fix that is with money.. when the Yankees buy whoever they need..

    I think the Cubs are the most desperate right now, they need to go “all-in” .. Guys like Derek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Zambrano… they aren’t getting any younger..

    Whereas a team like the Dodgers is loaded with guys just about to enter, or just having entered their Prime.. Dodgers should be in the market for an arm because it would put them over the top in my opinion

48. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    But Outman wasn’t ready last year.. and this year would have been another “tweener” either Long-relief for us.. or maybe spot-starts here and there..

    Blanton was a guy that they thought could help us last year.. and he did..

    but because he did, now people think he’s better than what he really is.

    Its true that he’s not living up to his Innings Eater title.. but its because he’s walking too many batters, for whatever reason (is he throwing new pitches?)

49. Geoff Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    The Cubs are always desperate, which is why they still havent won. You cant be desperate and make sound personnel decisions.

50. From Section 113 Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    mikemike- Outman and Cardenas is something of a loss but Cardeneas is Left
    handed and not so great at short. Spencer wouldn’t make our top 3 OF prospects let alone our MLB team.

    Don M – “Buerhle and Bedard are worth more than Lee…” I actually disagree with this. First off, Bedard’s injury history is scary. 2nd, Buerhle never had a yr like Lee did in ‘08. I can see the Indians asking for the same quantity as they got for CC just less in quality. Still if I were the Indians I would have to ask for alot. I mean Carmona is looking real bad. They need something in return. Sowers? Laffey? They need some more pitching.

    I think Cook would be a great pick up. I dunno what Bedard would cost. I think Washburn will be available. He’s having a nice year so far.

51. Georgie Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Signing Bako pretty much says to me that Charlie, for some reason, doesn’t think Marson is ready, or maybe they want to use him in a trade. Personally, I don’t think the pitchers like the way Marson calls the game, you’ve got to think the managers have consulted with the pitchers regarding this, and have gotten negative feedback. If you watch Ruiz, he is extremely confident in his interaction with the pitcher, not afraid to go out to the mound, seems to reassure them.

    Offense is not/should not be a concern with this team, so they need to make sure they have the best defense possible, and although many here disagree, that is Ruiz behind the plate. He is probably the guy I defend most, because I think he’s undervalued and doesn’t get the love from the fans as much as the rest of the team.

    I’m ranting a bit, but you gotta feel the love for Chooch!!!!!

52. CT Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    breaking news from Todd Zolecki via Twitter… Park out of the rotation, Happ in

53. Tony G Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Finally… is anybody worried though that Park might not be any more effective coming out of the pen either??

54. shag beta sigma delta Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    A couple of things, first off, unless you do believe stats, and Geoff you seem to love them especially quality starts (which by the way is a joke, made up so pitchers can get more money.) Than you can turn around and say Coste sucks, Tim put the numbers up there for you and they are not at all bad. Especially against lefties. So he gives you a rh bat of the bench, if they go with 3 catchers, because you don’t want to use him as just a bat, cause he is your only back up catcher. Second Way to soon before dead line to talk about trades, I agree if you are trading away prospects, the guy you get has to be here at least next year if not two more years, and certain prospects even though they may eventually turn in to serviceable pros or better, are just simply block in some organizations, like Donald (unless he can play third which is doubtful as of now) and I think Marson, because I like Chooch behind the plate for at least 2010 or 11, and we have another kid behind Marson that should be ready by then. Even if Mason becomes the next Johnny Bench, if we get a quality 2/3 pitcher for him that hangs out for two or three years, and wins another wfs, then it was worth it cause he was not going to play here anyway.
    And IMO JRoll will retire a Phillie, as with Uttley. And I would not be surprised especially if they can win another WS or two in the next 4 years that they will re sign Hammels and Howard. Winning does wonders for these guys egos, and if they can win here some will stay here.
    And lastly to Georgie, I 100% agree with you I love Chooch, and think his game calling and handling pitchers is why under rated by many on here and in Philadelphia

55. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Buehrle has a better career ERA (3.78 vs. 4.09) and WHIP (1.27 vs. 1.32) than Cliff Lee… those numbers are pretty damn close though..

    Throw Bedard into the mix and its even closer

    ERA ranks:
    Bedard = 3.74
    Buehrle = 3.78
    Lee = 4.09

    WHIP ranks:
    Buehrle = 1.27
    Lee = 1.32
    Bedard = 1.33

    Batting Average Against:
    Bedard = .247
    Lee = .263
    Buehrle = .269

    Lee has the best K/BB ratio… Buehrle gives up the most Hits-per 9 Innings, but walks the least per 9 Innings… Bedard strikes out the most per 9, gives up the least hits per 9, but walks the most per 9…

    you couldn’t go wrong with any of these guys, but I don’t think any of them will happen, because the Phillies (coming off a mostly Home-Grown World Series) know how valuable prospects can be.. and they have to believe that they are good evaluaters of talent at this point.. so we’ll see

56. Matt S Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Via Zolecki: Park out, Happ in.

57. Keith Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    woo, everyone celebrate!

58. Don M Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    How do you say, “Phuck!” … in Korean?

    I just want to know what it sounded like when they told him the news…

59. Keith Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    babelfish gave me this, lol:

    한국어

60. mikemike Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Why would you want lee. I can’t understand that one at all. And cardenas isn’t lefthanded. He is right handed. Spencer I don’t like but he is showing power and is at double a and never said outman was ready last year. Point is we gave up a sure pitcher who is in the major and the top 2nd basemen prospect according to ba for blanton. overpaid. will they over paid for medioce talent again. Why not if possible get a top starter, not a rental, or if he is in his final year before finalizing deal. get a contract done. or no deal. Why get another iffy pitcher, instead of a stud. We have 4 iffy pitcher right now.

61. Mark B Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Maybe only 2 iffy pitchers, depending on how Happ and Myers can perform from now on. Possibly they can perform quite well, which would mean 2 “ifs”.

62. ljc102680 Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    like the move ,cant hurt could ronnie belliard help us or someone cheap like that?

63. The Dipsy Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I would implore all of you to go to The Dipsy’s post of yesterday under the “Phillies get Bako” heading. This sets forth the available pitchers for the Phils to acquire near the trade deadline add the odds of the Phils getting each one. The Dipsy addressed Gil Meche, Erid Bedard, Dan Haren, Mark Beuhrle, Jon Garland, Roy Oswalt, and Aaron Cook. Cook is the Dipsy’s morning line favorite at 5-1, with Oswalt coming in a 7-1. I encourage all that haven’t seen it to peruse it.

    The Dipsy

64. From Section 113 Says:
    May 20th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    mikemike-

    1- Cardenas “hits” left handed. Maybe he throws right handed but he bats lefty.
    2- Blanton was clutch for us last yr, you have to give up something to get something
    3- Is Spencer better than Ibanez/Vic/Werth? Would you rather have traded Brown/Collier/Gose/Taylor? He was expendable
    4- I always thought outman would be a middle of the road starter. I am really pulling for him to do well.
    5- I don’t want Lee, I said he was better than the other 2 but as Dom pointed out, it is quite close. I said I Cook would be a great pick up. Lots of ground balls.

65. Don M Says:
    May 20th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    We know from how the Phillies do things, that they clearly aren’t going to get in a bidding war with the Yankees, Mets, Cubs, etc. .. to get the best available pitcher..

    They WILL however look to improve their rotation if that is what they feel they need to do… There is a chance that calling up Carrasco and keeping all the prospects is their best move. Instead of adding an OK pitcher in Aaron Cook, but having to give up some prospects to get him..

    You will only see them make that type of move is Carrasco struggles, and Moyer never finds his groove.. I think that the team we go to postseason War with has a starting rotation of: Hamels, Myers, Happ, Blanton, Carrasco.. Moyer in the pen as a long reliever

66. From Section 113 Says:
    May 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    “Moyer in the pen as a long reliever”

    That’s a disturbing thought

67. Don M Says:
    May 20th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    They aren’t going to just release him.. and your long reliever only comes into games that you’re usually already losing.. and you pull your starter out early.. someone who can give you 3-4 innings (which Moyer can do effectively).. its usually the 2nd or 3rd time around a lineup that they start to mash him

68. From Section 113 Says:
    May 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    My god he could pitch till he was 70 if just used as a reliever

69. E Says:
    July 11th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    i loooooooove chris coste&&paul bako!!!!!!!!

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