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36 Responses to “Dodgers Destroy Moyer, 9-2”

1. Griffin Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

   It was a matchup of a former Phillies vs a guy who should have been a former Phillie.

2. Geoff Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

   done done done done done done done, moyer is done. why cant anyone realize this? his has the worst era in baseball of any starter!!

   just get one more win jamie and then call it a carreer. im pulling for one more win…

3. Brian of CO Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

   Geoff might want to check your stats again. There are still 3 other players under him. Im not saying that is good, but if you are going to come on here to spurt out stats, get them right man. We all know you HATE moyer with a passion. But come on.

4. Brian of CO Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

   and thats with pitchers having at least 5 starts. For players with at least 3 starts there are like 12 with higher ERA’s.

5. Brian of CO Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

   To make it easier. Moyer is at 7 starts 8.15 (that is including tonights start), C Jakubauskas is at 8.17 (5 starts), C. Silva 8.48 (6 starts), O Perez (Mutts 5 starts) 9.97, C Wang (3 starts) 34.5 ERA.

6. HungryHenry Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

   Moyer is done, baked, finished. He needs to pack his bags, the Phils need to eat the contract and we need someone who is not awful. He really is shot. Great career, great guy but pro baseball is a “What-have-you-done-for-me-lately” environment. Moyer, put simply, stinks.

7. Greg V. Says:
   May 13th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

   There is nobody who pulls for Moyer more than myself. He grew up ten minutes from where I live. I was on the verge of tears when he pitched in the World Series last year. I consider him a great ballplayer and a great human being. I was in the stands tonight and I saw a guy that just doesn’t have it anymore. Blame it on the long season last year, or whatever but I can’t make anymore excuses. Moyer is just at the twilight of his career. He had such a great run last year and it’s hard to let go of that. But I’m afraid the time has come. The Phillies can’t allow this to go on anymore. I want to see that 250th win big time. But I also want a winning team as well and it’s not happening with Moyer right now at all.

8. Geoff Says:
   May 14th, 2009 at 12:08 am

   youre really going to think that because hes the 6th worst that it matters? thats irrelevant. hes done. hes got a dog dirt era man. lets just root for his 250th win and then he can retire…as long as it happens within his next 3 starts…

9. Geoff Says:
   May 14th, 2009 at 12:10 am

   and if rollins runs his mouth again with this batting average – seya pal! if ruiz and coste cant look like professional baseball players up there – seya pal! blanton – get your act together man youre better than this…moyer – get 250 and then great career maybe hall of fame but seya pal!

10. Bruce Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Sorry, HungryHenry, your “what-have-you-done-for-me-lately” is strictly a fan’s perspective. In professional baseball and any other sport for that matter, players are for the most part treated with respect and dignity. It is even more evident with players who have had a long and productive career. Manual tonight made it clear that Moyer, a veteran of such high esteem deserve to work out his problems and will continue to be in rotation and have his starts. That’s the real world not baseball fantasy.

    Moyer in his illustrious career has had similar problems where he managed to bounce back time and time again. As he said in his post game interview, he made mistakes and mistakes are correctible. It has nothing to do with his age. He further commented that he needs to consistently get ahead in the count and consequently be able to expand the strike zone. He said he will continue to work on his command and location which obviously are the keys to his success.

    Another key to Moyer’s success in 249 wins as starter, is never to show the same pattern of pitches during the course of the game. That’s why it’s so important for him to get ahead in the count and later expand the strike zone as previously mentioned.

    From my view of the game tonight, for some reason Moyer seemingly lost that sharpness that he must absolutely have to locate his pitches off the plate. In the later innings, he was getting his pitches up and over too much of the plate. Could it be his delivery or is it something else? Keep in mind, the team he faced tonight are a very talented contact type hitting team and won’t easily get themselves out. This is the same Dodgers team in last year’s playoffs that gave fits to Moyer and knocked him early. For now, only Moyer can find that solution. And Manual confirmed he wants Moyer to continue to work it out in his scheduled starts.

11. Caleb Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 1:03 am

    Spot start him vs. FLA and let him get #250

12. Brian of CO Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 1:13 am

    Bruce hit the nail on the head. Finally im not the only fan on here not bashing Moyer. True, he has a “dog dirt era” but still, give up on him after two extremely bad starts. After his first two starts (not great) but still had the lowest ERA on the team. LOL.

13. Jeff Y. Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 7:46 am

    Why did they give a 46 year old pitcher a 2 year contract?

14. bob Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 8:01 am

    Why we are at it, let’s just get rid of every pitcher with a sub 6 ERA,

    Hamels-GONE 6.17 ERA, YOU SUCK!
    Blanton-6.82 ERA….See ya
    Moyer-7 something ERA, I know you are a 23 year vet and all, but even after helping us win a WS you don’t deserve to be around anymore.

    Why not make our 1-2 guys Happ and Park? Then bring up Carrassco and Drabek and make Madson our #5….

    Oh and Lidge SUCKS too and so does Rollins. Utley you are hitting .172 in May, lets trade him…..

    ANYONE ELSE SEE HOW STUPID THIS SOUNDS?!! The way that some of you are acting, you would think that we are 2-27. STFU and have some faith. Do things need to be tweaked? Sure they do, but there is NO reason to hit the panic button. The starters CAN NOT AND WILL NOT be this bad as a group all season. In a 162 game season that is impossible!!

15. sawaob12 Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 8:17 am

    I’m not grabbing my pitchfork yet, but Moyer does really need to get it together soon. I’d say he’s in Chan Ho Territory right now. Start by start basis. How many more times can the team run him out there for this?

16. TwoTonsOfIrony Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 8:36 am

    I’m not going to spout ERA, because it is a flawed stat. But from watching the game last night and last week against the Mets…first off it should be noted who the two teams he pitched against were, possibly two of the best offenses in the NL (Wright, Beltran, Reyes were the homers, sounds like a who’s who)…even still the thing that scared me is how he cruised through the first three innings without a problem. Nothing really changed after that for him, it just only took the Dodgers one time around the lineup to completely figure him out. Is it possible that teams have figured Moyer out enough that even when he is on his game he is hittable once you time him and figure him out. Essentially this would make him a great bullpen swingman to come in for an inning (albeit exorbitantly expensive for that spot, but ultimately best for the team).

17. Maverick Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    We have a rotation full of Adam Eaton’s right now.. or atleast pitchers who are pitching like him.

18. William Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    From time and again I write on here and make comments and most of the time lately its regarding this topic. And mostly its to say we should have gotten rid of Moyer in the offseason

    I am a fan of Jamie Moyer, nice guy, met him got his picture with him, its on my facebook and the ball he signed is in my office at work. I like the guy.

    And Bruce had some great points! I won’t disagree with most of anything he says. He made some great points. So don’t take offense to anything I say its nothing against you. I see your side.

    But baseball is a business, your right its not fantasy sports. You want to put the best product out there and the right price for the fans to buy tickets and to win ball games.

    I said from day one that we should have hired Moyer as a pitching(bullpen maybe) coach or consultant. And give Happ or whoever a chance to start. Moyer is signed for 2 years making 14 plus when we could have had for less and probably the next 6 or 7 years minimum. If Happ is out there getting shell at an ERA of what Moyer is we would would call that learning experiences. What Moyer is doing is getting shelled.

    Give Happ or whoever the 5 spot to gain experience for the future…he can do just as good with the ERA and has better stuff than Moyer.

    You take the playoff last year…every team that has seen him time and time again shelled him…he needs help from the umpire and be right on..he doesn’t have the stuff to just get by. I’m not saying its all about stuff, its about placement and command too along with many other things but even when he is on…he still needs to have stuff to get guys out.

    I just keep replaying that David Wright bomb in the Mets game and thinking I was watching a beer league softball at bat…

    I like Moyer, I’m not bashing him for wanting to extend his career and at the time I think the Phillies thought they would put some fans in the seats and get a 13-15 game winner…but reality is setting in and now we have two years of a bad contract and a guy who come playoff time…last year I would want him on the mound now…I wait for the follow games.

    I didn’t see all of the game last night but my friend that saw Moyer pitch earlier this year said that the players even knew early that they weren’t going to win so they were just through the motions and out there getting paid… If that is the case then you have a bigger clubhouse problem…if you know your going to lose when he is on the mound and you are going through the motions.

19. Manny Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Let him get his 250th win and depending on how that outing goes, keep him in the rotation or simply get him outta there. Happ is ready. If he gets a W after allowing 5+ runs, that should be it. If he goes back to traditional-Moyer-mode (3-4 runs in 6 innings) then, by all means, keep him in the rotation.

    Look at our starters and how they’re pitching:

    Hamels: improving
    Myers: improving
    Blanton: slightly improving
    Park: greatly improving
    —
    Moyer: dramatically declining (aka falling off a cliff)

    Look, you don’t have to look at the ERAs to notice this. There is an ugly pattern developing with Moyer and I just don’t know how long our team can endure having him out there every 5 games.

20. Maverick Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    Manny – great point….. our shitty pitching is getting better with the exception of Moyer. He’s moving in the wrong direction.

    Too bad we didnt pick up Lowe this offseason.. he would have been a great addition.

21. DHall Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    I’m wondering if the two year contract the Phillies gave Moyer was more of a courtesy contract as a way of saying thanks for last year. Maybe they will wait for him to get his 250th win and then cut him loose. When I watch him pitch, it doesn’t look like he’s doing anything different. His velocity, his delivery all look the same to me. I just think he overacheived last year due to balls put in play. I think the balls put in play last year were outs whereas this year they’re hits. In other words, he was lucky. It’s pretty obvious when you look at his ERA over the last several years. Any thoughts from anyone?

22. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    I love you guys, I really do.

    Utley, Victornio and Rollins are all slumping lets cut them loose trade them away… who needs em, right! We got donald and marson and stairs man we are all set.

    Read the shit you write its ridiculous. Moyer didn’t get 249 wins by accident he has been doing the same thing for 23 years I dont think a light bulb just clicked and all of a sudden everyone figured him out. He is slumping, he will break out of it. We saw how long we stuck behind Myers last year even though he sucked. It will be the same for Jaime.

23. Chuck P Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    He cruised through three innings… he can get guys out… the problems came when he started leaving the ball up in the zone. When he’s hitting his spots, he’s still able to be effective. He needs to figure out what he needs to do to keep the ball down for 6 innings (not just three or four). I still think that he can consistently give us 6 innings and 4 ER per start. Lets not forget that he was 3-1 in April with a ERA around 5 (fine by me). Maybe the 250 win thing is weighing on his ability to focus. Maybe he’s a bit tired (maybe the short offseason has caught up with him a little bit). Whatever it is, he’s going to have to figure out what that is and be honest with himself. Maybe he should be thinking about asking to skip a start to get a little extra rest. Those were two very good hitting teams… but that’s not a valid excuse.

24. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    He cruised for three inning because it was the first time around the lineup…then they adjusted and stopped swinging at his bad pitches, then they started getting on base and driving in runs off of meatballs because he was forced to throw strikes because of the adjustments the dodgers lineup made the second time through…thats what weve all been saying for months now…this is not acceptable or sustainable.

25. Don M Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    I heard a rumor once that if you bash every single player on the Phillies roster on a daily basis.. sooner or later, you’ll be correct, and one of them won’t have a good season

26. Daniel Murphy Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Who takes moyer’s spot in the rotation???? ja happ…. isnt he supposed to take chan ho park when hes back to normal????? what about blanton and his nice era???????????

27. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    waaaaaaaawaaaaaaaaa…you know thats not even what the reality of the situation is. there are just a few unproductive cogs in this team here, not all of them…and those taht are unproductive have to be weeded out. it doesnt look like some of them are ever going to get back to where they were…

28. Don M Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    I doubt Lidge is ever going to top his perfect season of last year… should he be “weeded out” ?

    Rolling probably won’t win the MVP again..

    Dobbs might not lead the majors in pinch-hits..

    Chase Utley’s on pace for more errors this year than last…

    The reality of the siutation is fans here bitch and complain too much.. if the people on here were GM’s we’d be the laughing stock of baseball.. and YOU, Geoff especially pick a different player and go crazy every other week.. then you calm down on him for a few days.. and then start right back up again.

    You don’t like Rollins, Moyer, Madson, Myers, Ruiz, Coste, and whoever else.. but they helped us win the WORLD SERIES last year.. so in less you just completely hate life, why don’t you relax a little, enjoy this baseball team, and give them more than 30 games before you’re ready to blow the team up for the All-Stars in waiting down on our farm

    We’re all disappointed that Moyer isn’t performing, but because you’ve been sayung how bad he is all season.. you know think you have some kind of knowledge about baseball.. and you’ve got this venom in every single post that mentions ROLLINS or MOYER.. the rest of us here appreciate the things they’ve done, and hope they can regain their form.. instead of ripping on them on a blog.

    holler

29. Chuck P Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    They’re not going to cut him loose… that’s absurd. You don’t just cut pitchers loose. We kept Adam F*ing Eaton around for the entire season (henceforth, why he was at the ring ceremony). They’ll let him try to work it out… PtheB is right; some of the shit that gets written on here is ridiculous. Jimmy was right… frontrunners.

    On a positive note… Werth has registered a hit in 9 out of his last 12 games. Ruiz was 2-2 with 2 walks. RAULLLLLL is a beast… top 15 in the NL in RBI, R, HR, total bases, BAvg… etc., etc. Rollins hit a HR in the 5 hole.

30. Chuck P Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Maybe they had a better look the second time around. You know, professional hitters have a tough time picking up 80 MPH fastballs. Give me a break… he walked ONE batter last night in 4 1/3 innings. They weren’t “laying off” his bad pitches; he would have walked more batters if that were the case. The reality is that his balls weren’t breaking. He was throwing meatballs but not because he had to… a slowballer like Moyer never has to throw a meatball. He needs to paint the corners, change speeds and keep the ball down every pitch… he never throws it down the center of the plate. These are professional hitters… you’re not going to sneak an 80 MPH fastball down the center of the plate.

31. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    But this season Jamie Moyer is actually WORSE than Adam Eaton was…Adam Eaton recorded a few Quality starts before being banished to single A ball.

    And every other fan on here gets away with bashing a player here or there when tehy perform poorly, so its just that im being singled out here. im no worse than a lot of people on here. in fact, theres a few ppl on here who are way worse…

32. Don M Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Cause you’re a regular on here.. and you REGULARLY post stuff just completely bashing players, coaches, bat boys, ball girls, umpires, ushers.. and thankfully, I’ve yet to hear you bad mouth the Phanatic

33. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Thats because the Phanatic is the greatest mascot in sports history. I mean thats not even questionable.

    Dont forget the trainers and the groundskeepers…

34. Geoff Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    and the concession prices, even though its actually cheaper than buying food at the movie theater…which i never do anymore..

35. PtheBLovesTheBallGirls Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    I want to personally thank Don M and Chuck P for actually having a mind and using it in a productive way.

    Geoff you disgust me and I wish you were a Mets fan or a Pirates fan. You are the epitome of frontrunners, I bet you didnt even watch before 07 and got all your info from Hugh Douglas on WIP.

    No team is solid through the rotation or the lineup, no team goes 162-0, everyone has there slumps and gets shelled. Its baseball, its a marathon not a sprint. Now why don’t you tell me why McNabb and Reid need to go and Rollins, Moyer, Howard, Park, Coste, Ruiz, Dobb need to be cut and we need to bring up all those great guys in the minors to start cause they are ready and amazing.

36. Brian of CO Says:
    May 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Sorry Geoff, but Don M and PtheB are right. If you are truly a Phillies fan, get on board. If not, dont post. Every time a player doesnt get a hit, or even scores a run, then makes an error, they are a bum and need to go. You keep flipping out that changes need to be made now. like I said earlier, 20% through the season. And I just found the ticket to one of the games I went to last year, it was dated June 1st. Why do I bring that up. Because by June first last year, we were 1 game back in the NL East. So we are 1 game back now similar to last year, and yet this year numerous players must go? Get a clue. I dont like losing any games, but you cant win them all, and just because you start slow, doesnt mean you end slow, and the same with starting fast. Baseball is a marathon. Chill out man. If they dont regain 1st at all between now and maybe mid July, than you can get worried maybe, but seriously, we are 1 game back right now, have a double header coming up against the Nats which could if the Phils play well gain another 1/2 game. Honestly, I couldnt understand what Rollins opened his mouth about Phillies fans, but after reading how bad you think the Phillies are, I am wondering if he was talking about you being a front runner, and not Phillies Fans in general.

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