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79 Responses to “Moyer Mauled In Loss To Mets”

1. SJ Mike Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

   I love over confidence for 1 game over .500 middle of the division arrogance. Too bad the Mets banned newspapers because God forbid anybody say anything that criticizes them, so even the positives.

   Let them enjoy it, because you know how difficult it is to sweep 2 games, right?

2. Stuart Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

   Can we please do something about our starting rotation.

3. MP Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

   On a positive note, Happ and Werth were outstanding tonight.

   And yeah we really need to work out the rotation immediately.

4. Greg V. Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

   I’m sorry, I watched a bunch of strikes go over the plate and none which Moyer got. If he’s not getting a plausible strike zone, he’s done. He couldn’t paint the corners because the ump wouldn’t let him. He wasn’t calling strikes (and they were strikes) and there was no way for him to adjust to the strike zone. It was different for every batter. It was bad, but I’m not about to say it’s time for Moyer to throw in the towel. He’s pitched some good games this year.

   On a seperate note, it’s a crime that Happ is not a starter.

5. SJ Mike Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

   I honestly think the problems with the rotation are more mental then physical. Anytime we’ve seen our starters get rocked, it’s over blatant bad location or throwing the wrong pitch in the wrong count. And I think then it becomes an “Oh no, I better not screw up” mindset constantly going on.

6. SJ Mike Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

   Greg, one at bat that bugged me was one against Sheffield. Moyer hit the inside corner twice and because Sheffield did a shimmy dance turning away like “oh my, that ball was so inside” the umpire bought it and called it inside, despite clearly being over the corner of the plate.

   But regardless, even if Moyer is squeezed, there still has to be an adjustment. 4 of the runs were on those first inning homeruns and the were just bad right down the middle softballs that screamed to be pounded.

7. Greg V. Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

   Most definately SJ Mike. The Sheffield at bat was definately the one that got under my skin. I think Moyer will work this out though. He’s been around long enough where he can come back and have a really good start.

8. Jason Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

   Its a shame the third best starter on this team cannot get in the rotation because of a world series hangover and a fluke performance.

9. SJ Mike Says:
   May 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

   Greg, I’ve always had faith in Moyer. We see it every year. He will get shelled one game and then come back and hit every spot and own the lineups the next time out.

   Moyer will be ok, I’m sure. He’s the least of my worries. It’s Chan Ho Park and Blanton that I’m more worried about.

10. Matt M Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    So how long before Happ goes into the rotation?

11. SJ Mike Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Matt, I hope soon. I really do.

12. Matt M Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Yeah me too, but at who’s expense? Blanton, Park or Moyer? If it was up to me it’d be Moyer because out of the three he has the worse stuff of the three of them. And I don’t want to trash Moyer unjustifiably because that’s what Geoff does and I want to avoid sounding like him. But I want to see this team win again and right now Moyer gives them the least chance to do that. Happ has the opprotunity to be the 2nd best starter for this team and he does need to start sooner rather than later.

13. SJ Mike Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    I just think Moyer’s value to the team goes beyond what he does on the mound. I think Park is more valuable to us in the pen, but after pitching so great last night, it became less of an obvious choice. And Blanton was such a great add last year, but that great run is now sandwiched between so-so-ness.

    It’s a tough call, but Happ deserves to be in this rotation, because I trust him giving us more 6-7 innings every 5th day more then all the starters except Hamels right now.

14. Ghjkls Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Happ has looked good everytime they hand him the ball. Unfortunately its going to take a complete meltdown by one of the starters to get him in the rotation.

15. phillyhater Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    why cant you guys just man up and say you lost the game?…you lost so what?…like you guys have some sort of resentment towards the mets and can never give them credit…i dont get it…a very hittable pelfrey?…he gave up 3 runs in 7 innings…obviously he wasnt that hittable..a very hittable moyer is more like it…give credit where its due and say the mets beat us fair and square…
    oh and it sucks when the mets have a bullpen doesnt it?…and by the way…someone in the comments section said something like..how hard it is to sweep two games…if the phillies swept the two games you would be going OHHHHH phillies came into citi field and swept..so please…give credit where its due

16. The Little Guy Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    2nd place?

17. Runshouse Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    Pelfrey is supposed to be hittable… he is a ground ball pitcher.

18. Al in Seattle Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    FREE JA HAPP!

19. phillyhater Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    and sj mike..we are a half game behind you…arrogance?…how is that arrogance?….we are in may…how can anyone be arrogant?…including you guys…A HALF GAME BEHIND YOU GUYS…and yet you are talking like people are saying ohhhhh we are soooo much better than you

20. phillyhater Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    2nd place BY A HALF GAME IN MAY!!!!

21. phillyhater Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    why are you concerned with the standings in may

22. The Little Guy Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Why are you coming on a blog and promoting your team like they won the WS. They had 7 runs off of a 46 year old bum, after that NOTHING.

23. SJ Mike Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Ah yes, Phillyhater, because you exhibit nothing but unbiased, sportsmanlike class in everything you have ever commented on, always giving fair credit where fair credit is due, right?

    8 hits off of Pelfrey, where most of his outs are reliant on ground balls and putting the ball in play is something I’d call very hittable. And yes, we’re allowed to be congratulatory if we sweep a two game series. The difference is, we’re not going to the opposing teams going “WE SWEPT YOU BRING OUT THE BROOMS!” That’s the difference and the arrogance I’m talking about.

24. SJ Mike Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Phillyhater, maybe you should go and re-read some of the gamepost thread then and see your fellow Met brethren and their arrogant comments or those on Metsblog, and then come back and tell me with a straight face that Mets fans aren’t overreacting to 2 games in early May.

25. The Little Guy Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Got Heem. Chumped

26. SJ Mike Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Nah, you didn’t get him Little Guy. He comes here regularly spewing his garbage. The only way he disappears is when the Phillies win. That’s what I love about New York fans in general. They’re like stalkers who lurk in the bushes, waiting for a loss so they can jump out and go “boo!” I can just picture them crouching down saying “wait, for it….NOW!”

27. The Little Guy Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    SJ, i was saying you got him, haha, that was great

28. SJ Mike Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Nah, I didn’t get him either. He’ll be back….he usually is waiting in the bushes.

    I do sometimes wonder what really provokes people to go to other blogs and post as the opposition, but not constructively, but as overall jerks wanting to start a fight. It’s like they don’t have actual friends or a life, because really, the only person they amuse is themselves in doing so.

29. Benson Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    I definitely think it is interesting that Mets fans waste their time going on a Phillies blog in the first place.

    To me it shows that it has finally hit them that we are WC and the only way they can experience the same sort of feeling is by bragging as much as possible in May, because they know deep down it won’t last.

30. FillyP Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    Why do Mets fans come on here expecting to be praised for winning? Christ, just read the comments here:
    http://www.metsblog.com/2009/05/07/post-game-mets-7-phillies-5/#comments

    I’ve got close friends that are Mets fans and at least they show some class.. you should take their lead and stop trolling ANOTHER TEAM’S message board like morons. There’s no reason to gloat; your team are the reigning world champions of choke and the season is just underway.

    You better hope to high hell that you guys don’t pack it in again in September.. one four game winning streak and you guys are going crazy over your rotation; yet just a week ago I heard every dummy on the Fan (I live in CT) call in whining about how the starting pitching needs to change.

    On a Phils’ rotation note – I really think we’re going to need to make some changes, maybe even make a move mid-season. We’re giving up the long ball like crazy. Moyer is showing signs of wear. Blanton has been weak and Park has been awful until last night. It’s a good thing the pen (and the offense as always) has been picking up the slack; otherwise we’d be in a real deep hole. Happ has shown some good stuff in relief.

    What about Kendrick; he hasn’t been so shabby in the minors, right? Anyone seen him pitch this year?

31. MikeB Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    I agree with everyone that posted about JA Happ being put in the starting rotation. When are the Phillies going to wake up and let this guy start or at least let him get some starts like against the teams that usually do well against Moyer, like the Mets? Lets face it, Moyer is not fooling the Mets as evidenced by these two recent games he pitched against them. Give the old guy an extended rest from time to time and let Happ pitch. Will keep both of them sharper for the long haul.

32. Bruce Says:
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Hey guys, remember that line we heard often..the season is a marathon, not a sprint. With nearly five months of basball to be played (136 games left), Charlie Manual with Rich Dubee are not going to make rash decisions regarding the rotation. I’m sure they will give every opportunity to their troubled starters in making the necessary adjustments. Their patience were rewarded with Park by his outstanding effort against the Mets. Blanton had a quality start his last time out. Myers is a veteran whose experience suggests that he can find a necessary solution for himself. Needless to say, the crafty Moyer has bounced back a zillion times in his long and productive career.

    Nothing has changed in his approach and delivery for all those years. Moyer knows his mistakes and won’t use the excuse of a home plate umpire “squeezing” the strike zone on him (which appears to happened with some batters tonite). He knows he has to “paint” the corners of the plate and change speeds to be effective. He obviously didn’t fare well in doing so against the suddenly hot bats of the streaking Mets (4-game win streak). I’m confident that Moyer will again “bounce” back with a strong effort in his next start.

    The most important key for the rotation to have success this season is obviously Hamels. Once Hamels is healthy (keep our fingers crossed) and regain his form and rhythm , he will give the rest of the starters a much needed lift and stablized the rotation.

    By the way, much praise to our bullpen tonight with five plus shutout innings of relief and kept the Phillies in the game in a losing cause. A ton of credit to the pitching coach, Dubee in overseeing the improvements of Condrey, Happ and Taschner who were in tonight’s game.

    No surprise, that after 25 plus games one sees all four contenders in the NL East division tightly bunched with a margin of no more than two games separating them. With so much parity among the teams, it will be a free for all to the final month.

33. GWFightinsFan Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Perhaps they’re looking into some type of trade involving Happ? Maybe not now, but before the trade deadline. And in the meantime they’re trying to let Moyer, Park and Blanton work through their issues? I’m thinking by the end of the season, the rotation will look something like this…1. Hamels 2. Mid-Season pickup 3. Myers 4. Moyer 5. Blanton

    Happ will be part of any deal for a starter, so he’d be gone and Park goes to the bullpen…also if Moyer or Blanton continues to pitch like crap, hopefully one of our prospects such as Carrasco will be ready…just a thought…..

34. phillyhater Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    you guys are agreeing with me…thats what im saying..how cany ANYONE be talking smack in MAY….im not one of those mets fans who talk after a series in may…but give credit where its due…like with victorino when he walked with the bases loaded…i just dont get how any one of our teams fan bases can be talking anything right now..we are in may…im just saying the fact is we beat you regarding the post…even last night…saying johan was good but we should have won we left 13 men on base ok but johan got out of the jams…and then saying Park was BRILLIANT…he was…but you gotta say johan was brilliant too…i just dont see how anyone can be talking in may when we played each other 4 times…

35. CZ Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Your name is ‘phillyhater’. Your motivations are clear before we read a word of your post…it’s pretty hard to take you at all seriously with that clearly very well thought out moniker.

36. Brian of CO Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 1:11 am

    Uh phillyhater, first question, why are you on a Phillies blog? 2nd, pointing out standings and all that in May is talking smack last time I checked. Who was the first one to point out standings?…The quote is “2nd place BY A HALF GAME IN MAY!!!!” Thats in caps, wanna know who said that? Phillyhater. Not sure why you are coming on later and saying “how cany ANYONE be talking smack in MAY….im not one of those mets fans who talk after a series in may…” and then say “oh and it sucks when the mets have a bullpen doesnt it?…” All you have been doing is talking smack. Today (unlike yesterday honestly) the Mets won legitamately, but really you are being a hypocrite dude.

37. SmallMan Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 3:42 am

    Victorino is a dog – his effort in the run down was a disgrace – and nothing that you guys could say would make it right 7-4

38. VBPhil Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 5:48 am

    I guess one up side to this game was that none of the Philly hitters struck out. This is a great thing considering Howard and Werth having 0-fers the other night striking out in each at bat. I love the way Howard is taking the ball to the opposite field as he did in the first inning.

39. DHall Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 7:20 am

    Greg said it best. Moyer didn’t get the calls on the corners. Am I suprised? No. The majority of umpires anymore can’t call a ball and strike to save their life. Anyway, if Moyer can’t get the corners, he has no other choice but to inch closer to the middle of the plate and then he gets hammered. I would like to see Happ in the rotation, but I don’t know who he replaces at this point. Jamie Moyer is not a reliever, so if you’re not going to start him you need to trade him. I still say it’s too early to panic, but if this continues into late June you have to do something. Just an interesting note…Carlos Ruiz does not have an RBI or a run scored yet. Is it too much to ask for say a hit per week from him? Love his defense…hate his offense. And would someone please tell Charlie to move Rollins down to 6 and leave him there? How he ever won an MVP is beyond me.

40. Rich from NY Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 7:50 am

    Its hilarious when you guys lose and you try to make it out like these games didn’t really mean anything. Generally, yeah you’re right. Its the beginning of May, a lot of games to be played. But, oh, if the Phillies won these games, your reaction would be the same as ours. We’re all fanatics about our teams, thats why we talk about this stuff from day 1 of spring training. So don’t try to play it cool and say it doesnt matter, because it does. You’ll hear crap from Mets fans when we win and we expect to hear the same crap back when we lose. Its all in good fun guys. And I’m not trying to invade in on your blog here, I’ll chime in every once in a while because I find it more interesting and entertaining.

41. mikemike Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am

    Is it me or after they said Moyer was getting pitches off the black, like Maddux and Glavine did, all of sudden he isn’t getting those pitches. I think the mets must have went crying to the league, and we all know that the leagues wants a New York team to win , for the ratings. What is nuts is they go in and beat a hot team like the Cardinals and there best starter, then have to play the lowely mets, maybe it was a letdown. after beating a good team, to play a team of choke artist. they just didn’t get up for them.

42. mikemike Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 8:13 am

    two sweep that’s a moron. I think that we should get happ in the rotation to take the place of Park, and the phillies have to promote either stutes or worley to lehig Valley just in case we have to replace Jamie or Joe Blanton. By the way amaro talk it sounded like he wouldn’t wait long to pull the trigger. Peavy or Holliday Peavy has three years left on his contract. offer Taylor, marson and a pitcher like stutes. and go from there.

43. Jason B. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    You broke out the brooms for a 2 game sweep, congrats. Where is Cole Hamels? He is driving the New car given to him for being the World Series MVP. The only thing the Mets are driving this year is a tricked out 1988 Honda Accord, you know, the kind you see parked in every driveway in Queens. The only throne the Mets are claiming is the the Toilet Bowl the call Flushing NY. You guys had a nice win last night and the night before was a great game to watch if you like to watch good pitching. You can go ahead and thump your chest in May, just like the previous two seasons, but what I would like to see is you Thumping your chest on October 1st. THAT would be something new and different. I want the Mets to make the playoffs. THe only thing sweeter than winning the WS would be to beat the Mets in the NLCS and then go on to win the WS.

44. Keith E Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 8:31 am

    … and then he said “bla bla bla”
    … and I said “bla bla bla”
    Repeat the above ad-nauseam!!
    Enough name calling. These are two evenly matched teams at the moment. I saw 2 groups of Phils/Mets fans in our section call each other out at Saturday’s game. Whether they followed through I don’t know. I do know they weren’t in their seats for the end of the game.
    My point; this is no different than a movie, a concert or any other form of entertainment. It’s Batman vs Superman and it doesn’t matter. It feels good when they win and bad when they loose. Then no matter what, we get up the next morning, do our day’s work and get ready for the next game.

45. AmazinCiti Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    mikemike, you’ve got to be kidding me with the New York running to MLB to whine about Moyer getting the corners. Have you ever heard of QuesTech? If not, look it up, and blame it on Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and Leo Mazzone for being so good at throwing an unhittable strike. Secondly, if you’d like to speak about awful umpiring in last nights game, try to rememeber the Mets were robbed of a double play where the runner was clearly out at first, a strike three call on Victorino in the Top of the 8th that was called a foul tip, when he missed it by about a foot, and a totally botched interference call where Victorino threw a forearm and induced contact with Reyes, that should have been a double play (Smart play by Victorino by the way, still hope he takes one in the ribs on June 9th). Basically Mike, you’re an effing moron, what else can you expect from someone who roots for a Philadelphia sports franchise.

46. JCBanker Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am

    This is a marathon. I can’t believe that we’re talking about a 2 game sweep. First of all, a mini-series like this shouldn’t be called a sweep. It was a good home series for the Mets. I hate to give them their props, but they won the games in the end. The Phils just need to get more consistant. Remember, there are always going to be ups and downs in a season. We just beat the Cardinals, who were red hot. Now we lose to the Mets, who were pretty hot themselves. It’ll all come out in the wash.

    The bigger concerns are the quality starts by our starting pitching. We’ve maybe had 5 quality starts all year. THAT is what’s concerning. I’m more worried about the pen getting worn out. We need someone to step up and become the leader of the rotation early in the season. So far, the best pitchers on the team are Happ, Madson and Lidge and Condry. Let’s hope a starter gets into that list soon!

47. sawaob12 Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    at some point Happ has to be in the starting rotation. Blanton, Moyer, Park, even Myers. Be warned. This kid is throwing better than you.

48. Ghjkls Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    I read that link up there posted by someone linking to Metsblog. Talk about some angry fans. I dont care what sport your a fan of or who you like or dislike but you dont wish harm on another player. Hope Vic gets a ball thrown at his ribs huh? Im sorry but you just dont wish harm on another player reguarless of team or rivalry.

49. David W Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:09 am

    I actually agree with Ghjkls, but it started with your broadcaster last year when he said….”they should put one on his neck” not ribs, not legs, but neck….so you have your franchise to blame for that one….

50. Geoff Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    When you have to rely on the umpires strike zone to determine whether or not youre even going to be able to get people out, then its time to go.

51. Ghjkls Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    As adults(which I assume we all are) from time to time you need to overlook small things like that. An announcer is one person and does not reflect the view of all fans or of an organization.

    On another note All mets fans seem to do is complain. You win you complain you lose you complain. I clicked that link above to metsblog, nothing but complaints, complaints, complains. Did you guys just win a game? Four straight perhaps? All the talk is about how you should throw at Vic and about how he looks like some sort of animal. Seriously grow up, I dont go to metsblog but figured Id click just out of curiosity. If you came here and the situation was reversed Im sure that you wouldnt see that same mess on here.

52. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Geoff.. that’s insightful, did you just think of that?

53. Phils are sis Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Ghjkls,

    you sound like a little girl. Be a man. be responsible for your actions. I hope victorino takes a bobby parnell fastball right to his face.

54. Jenn Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    You know these Mets trolls make it hard to even come here anymore. I am relieved our series with them is over and hopefully they will go away. I really miss reading intelligent baseball conversation that used to be the “norm” around this blog. It’s really pathetic the way they are carrying on about winning a 2 game series in MAY. What’s that saying? Even the sun shines on a dogs ass some of the time…that sounds about right. You won 2 games, whoop-dee-doo…now go away.

55. Ghjkls Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    I take opinions of childish Mets fans very lightly so forgive me if Im not offended. Go back to your own board and whine and complain about your win with the other Mess fans.

56. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Victorino is getting a reputation as a Dirty player.. he had a play last year where he ran into the SS on.. Milwaukee? instead of sliding to break up the double-play.. In San Francisco 2 years ago he did the same thing he did last night.. running into a fielder to get an interference call..

    I’ve seen him lean into throws on purpose to make them bounce away from fielders for him to grab an extra base

    Problem is.. no teams want to hit him with pitches because they don’t want him on the base paths.. so guys like Feliz get plunked instead

57. David W Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    wait, your telling me philly fans dont complain???? LOLOL…yea okay!!! and Victorino is a dirty player, and im sure he even knows it himself!!! Don, how’d you like that dance reyes made around the bases yesterday??? LOL

58. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I didn’t see Reyes dance around the bases last night.. When he hit a HR? He didn’t showboat.. but after I watched it back on DVR, and hit “LIVE” again.. he was still dancing and doing his pre-planned handshakes and stuff in the dugout..

    As long as he is a “leader” on your team, you won’t win..

    Wright is a leader.. Beltran is like Utley… the game seems to come easy to him and he doesn’t run his mouth unless its important..

    But Reyes is a punk.. Im not a big Victorino fan either.. GREAT defensively, and a well-deserved Gold Glove last year.. he just thinks he’s better than he actually is.. and I’ve met him in person and he acted like he was the greatest thing since the Cell Phone

59. Ghjkls Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    All fans complain, but tend to complain less AFTER A WIN. Much less 4 STRAIGHT WINS.

60. Woodman Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Ok, the first trip to SHITI FIELD didn’t go well. It’s MAY!!!! Let the Muts fans thump their chests now, because come September, all these idiots will be nowhere to be found. That famous “choke” word will be back… as before. Enjoy it while you can, girls!

61. Johnny Snowden Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Well I know I’m sure glad they’re gone hahah. Now it’s time for Hamels to beat ATL.

62. David W Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    greatest thing since cell phone…lol….i like that!!! every met is a leader in their own way man..but the truth of the matter is, your not in the clubhouse to say if he’s a clubleader or not, the point that he keeps his dugout loose and makes everyone smile on his dugout is good enough for me…

63. Geoff Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Victorino used to come hang out at some of the bars in Manayunk before he started to get playing time…I could see him being like that. I like the way he plays baseball though. Reyes is far more of a d!ckhead. Victorino cant focus enough to be as consistent as Utley is at the plate, but he can be a menace offensively when he wants to be.

    Werth can also be as good as he wants to be. This guy could hit 25hr with 90 rbi and hit .290 easily if he stayed focused.

    But its all a wash if Moyer is going to throw soft serve meatballs like that.

64. Geoff Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Moyer serves up more meatballs than Chef Boyardee

65. Geoff Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Moyer has more soft serve variees than Baskin Robbins

66. Geoff Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    actually, dairy queen is better

67. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Good point David W… I’ve made that point to our fans, that we didn’t know how much or how little a player means behind-the-scenes.

    you got me there

    Reyes is just too flashy for me.. I don’t know how I’d feel about Rollins is he wasn’t on the Phillies.. and I’ve said how I feel about Victorino..

    Lidge said last year that coming into the clubhouse and having Rollins make comments through the media really got the team fired-up… in a good way. It made them realize that it was time to get going.. you can have some fun, but winning is more fun than anything else

68. Doug D. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Last night’s umpire, Angel Hernandez, is absolutely the worst behind the plate. It’s seems he judges a pitch by where it’s caught, not where it crosses the plate. He started squeezing Moyer in the 1st inning, and he didn’t give him anything on the corners the whole time he was in there. When Jamie has to throw the ball over the middle of the plate to get a call, he’s gonna get hit…and hard. And that’s what happened last night…As far as the rotation in general, I willing to allow for a punt for April. They all pitched an extra month last year, which also meant that their off-season was a month shorter. Kind of a double whammy. Well, it’s May and it looks like they are starting to come around. Cole was himself his last 2 starts (before the injuries). CJ and Seoul Man pitched great games this last time out. Park was aggressive in the zone, letting his movement take the ball to the corners. Moyer will bounce back with an umpire who knows the strike zone. The problem child (again) is Brett. He lost 35 pounds in the off-season, which is not always a good thing for a pitcher. In the physical universe, force = mass x acceleration. A smaller mass (his weight) with the same acceleration (his same motion) = a smaller force (lower velocity). He lost the weight to give himself better endurance, i.e., so he can pitch longer AND harder. He’s not throwing harder though. “Easing into games” is something he’s had problems with, and that’s all well and good. But once he’s eased in, he needs to step on the gas more. I’ll take one or two runs in 6 innings over 4 runs in 7 innings anyday.

69. Jeff of NoVa. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Lets do something to get rid of the Mets fans, They obviously have no real place to go to talk about their team.

    We love our team when they are bad and good, we are mad at them when they lose and we love them when they win, We are Fanatics and that is the definition of what a fan is.

    A Philles season is a rollercoaster for a Phan, used to be a nosedive when I was little, but nonetheless we love them.

    Mets Fans are jealous and bitter and primarily hateful at least the ones that spend time out of their day to post here. Come on go to your blogs and talk about how you want to hurt Victorino or Utley. Maybe thats what makes them feel better, who knows.

    Baseball is a gentleman’s game, and yes their are times when players go overboard, but wanting to have your players go after other players as retaliation is stupid, need to watch another sport, the players don’t think like that only ignorant fans.

    Bottomline is all outsiders are welcome if you want to talk baseball and such, but to come here and spread your unispired rants and insults, you are wasting breath…… the answer to any of those are this….. WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!! and there is nothing you can do about it!!!

70. Jeff of NoVa. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Oh another note,

    Anyone been paying attention to the minor leagues at all. Kyle Drabek is absolutely dominating at A ball, they need to move him to Reading or Lehigh. I want to see him challenged, and maybe ready to move to the rotation next year.

    Carrasco has been lit up in his last 2 starts, and Stutes has been holding steady and solid in Reading. Lets start getting the best performing pitchers to Lehigh so we can challenge them! Savery has been average in Reading, thinking he is a frontline starter would be overly optimistic, I think Drabek and Carrasco are the real deal, Stutes the jury is not out on him yet. Worley in AA has been solid as well. I think we will see some of them make a spot start or 2 come June and July.

    What are you all thinking?

71. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    They probably want to see him pitch like 50 innings or so before moving him to AA.. he’s not cracking the rotation in the majors in the near future.. so let him build his arm strength back up, and build his confidence in the process..

    I think they’d be more willing to give Park/Happ, Kendrick, Carrasco a spot-start over anyone else on the list..

    Those day-night double headers for makeup games and stuff.. we’ll see some of those guys this year at some point

72. Jeff of NoVa. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Yeah I not thinking Drabek is getting to show this year, just that i think if he does what he is doing now in AA or even AAA this year, He will be in line to challenge for a rotation spot next spring. We need one of these promising young starters to crack the rotation next year if not this year. Happ isn’t that young and I do not think he will be in the rotation for long he is complete trade bait.

73. Bruce Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Doug D., interesting post from you (agree with you on Moyer) especially in regards to possible explanation for Myers’ inconsistencies on the mound so far. I too wondered about the effects of his weight loss on his pitching. In watching his last start, in between innings there was a camera shot of Myers sitting in the dugout and bowled over with what appears to be an expression of grimace. I didn’t nothing of it at the time but your thoughts brought that image to mind. There is probably nothing to it but thanks anyway for mentioning it.

74. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Happ is a 26 year old Lefty.. who went to college, so started his “professional career” a little bit later than others..

    He’s still young.. and they really like him, otherwise he wouldn’t have been called-up for some big games last year.. he wouldn’t have stayed on the postseason roster.. and they wouldn’t have kept him around on the 25 man roster this year.

    All indications were that they fully expected him to out-pitch Park for the 5th job.. and Happ did pitch well, but Park was a little better.. and since they told Park he had a chance to win that 5th job (which is THE reason he signed with us), they couldn’t go back on their word..

    If they would have, Free Agents of next year, and years after would look at the Phillies in a negative light..

75. mikemike Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    People must forget Drabek this year. He has a chance to be outstanding but needs more innings, he only pitches 5 or 6 per start, because of his injury, they will not rush him. And his last two start read like this 10.2 innings gave up 6 runs not his typical domination. Worley and Stutes must stay put, they were jump a level this year, both are young and need more seasoning. If we don’t trade for a good starter . its happ and kendrick for this year.

76. Jeff of NoVa. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Okay let me clear up my statement about Drabek……. Luckily I teach 6th grade I am used to people not reading the whole thing:)

    Drabek is playing awesome right now in A ball, I think he will be moved to AA soon, and maybe AAA by the end of the year. If he does that, than he would be in line to challenge for a starting position. Do I think he will, I have no idea. He is by far having the best season right now of any pitcher in the organization. Don said it right, they will probably wait till he hits 50 innings before thinking of promoting him. Then they will reevaluate him after another 50-60 innings to look a at further promotions. Yeah I know he has had Tommy John surgery, I have always thought that he is the best talent the Phillies have in the minors, just hit some bumps along the way. I think he will be the Right handed stud next to Hamels for years to come. And no it will not be this year, you are exactly right and I wasn’t trying to imply that, just making an observation, optimistic one at that, that he could be in camp next year and the young staff can be pushing sooner than we think.

    I mean Myers, Moyer, Park are all gone I believe after this year. That leave Blanton, Hamels, maybe Happ, Maybe Carrasco, maybe Kendrick, Maybe Worley, Maybe Stutes, and of course Maybe Drabek. I doubt that they will go after a big name in free agency. I think the organization sees that their talent at pitcher in the farm system is impressive.

    I would say that Happ will be the first inserted in the staff, then possibly Kendrick, then Carrasco, after that it would be whoever is pitching best in AAA or AA

77. Jeff of NoVa. Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Drabek’s stats so far I think you are misinformed
    W L ERA sv ip h r bb k
    Apr 09 DUN 1 0 3.60 0 5.0 2 2 3 7
    Apr 15 LAK 1 0 0.00 0 7.0 4 0 0 9
    Apr 21 @LAK 1 0 0.00 0 6.2 4 0 2 10
    Apr 26 @TAM 0 0 6.35 0 5.2 8 4 1 5
    May 01 DAY 0 0 3.60 0 5.0 5 2 2 6
    May 06 BRE 0 0 1.42 0 6.1 6 1 1 9
    Totals 3 0 2.27 0 35.2 29 9 9 46

    He has only given up 9 runs in 35 innings of work He has only had one outing where he gave up 4 the rest were 2,1 or 0. I think that is pretty dominant.

    I follow the farm quite a bit, I think its fun to watch especially since for once or farm is actually growing nicely!!

    Go Phils! Love to see Hamels dominate tonight

78. LETS GO METS Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Philadelphia 26 14 12 5.39 5 0 0 232.0 8 139 140 102 178 .274 Washington 27 8 18 5.40 3 1 0 238.1 10 143 164 115 152 .281

    haha keep it up guys….two worst pitchingn staffs in the NL right there

79. Don M Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    And we can clearly see what all those numbers mean.. so that’s good

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