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By: A.J.

A.J. — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:09:15 +0000

OH and as long as we get to the post season this year and the Mets don’t I am fine. I am grateful for 2008 as well. I just am not ready to admit we’re done.

By: A.J.

A.J. — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:06:08 +0000

It is too early to say it is not our year. It may very well not be, but we are in this right now and until we are out of it, we are in it. There is no admission necessary except by Mets’ fans who think we are out of it. We are not even halfway through. In 2007, were we going to be in the post season 9/10? No way, but it happened. We may not be WFCs again, but we are far from out of this.

By: NJ

NJ — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:14:54 +0000

NL rotations
Dodgers- Billingsley, Wolf, Kuroda, Kershaw, spot-starter
Mets- Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Henandez, Perez (at best)
Cubs- Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster, Harden, Wells
Brewers- Gallardo, Suppan, Looper, Bush, Barns (with Parra sent down)
Giants- Lincecum, Cain, Johnson, Sanchez, Zito
Reds- Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Owings, spot-starter
Cardinals- Wainright, Carpenter, Wellemeyer, Pinero, Lohse on the DL
Braves- Lowe, Jurrjiens, Vasquez, Kawakami, Hanson

Sure the Cubs have the best rotation but that’s possibly the best in the league and look at their struggles. The teams getting good pitching are those who’s pitchers have exceeded expectations or are teams built around pitching with lesser offences. ‘90% of teams are the same with 10% eitherway’… The Phils need to play better, not get hung up on waiting to play until a frontline pitcher arrives, the front office will be doing it’s job but its no guarantee. The team is good enough to win, they need to play like it.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:00:53 +0000

Ive been reading it and the top guy getting action is Cliff Lee, who will cost a lot. Theres not a lot thats for sure. But there are guys around

By: Geoff

Geoff — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:59:44 +0000

I see the 3rd starter as someone who pitches like a frontline starter at times (not necessarily like an ace) but who doesnt do it enough to be considered one – like Joe Blanton. Moyer is back of the rotation trash filler, and anything you get out of him is a plus. Those 16 wins were golden out of a guy like that.

So to me they have an ace who isnt pitching like an ace. A good 3rd starter who can be better sometimes. A trash throwing old man, and two promising young back of the rotation starters (happ, bastardo) with the potential to become more than that but who still have to go through growing pains. Happ can be a good mid rotation guy with more consistency.

You have to see where guys slot into the rotation and right now they dont have all of those slots filled even if they do on paper.

By: NJ

NJ — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:58:41 +0000

I’ll agree with you there is no excuse for CONSISTENTLY poor play but Geoff I know you check sources like mlbtraderumors.com like most of us, so how can you say there are deals to be made when multiple sources say the trade block is barren right now… No-ones available.

Just like we can’t wish up a deal for an ace no matter how much we’d like, right now we can’t wish up deals for anything until people start becoming available.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:54:06 +0000

Its almost July now, I dont consider this early at all. I consider it nearing midseason. Right into the grind. No excuse for poor play. Rollins cant get away with that excuse anymore.

By: NJ

NJ — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:53:52 +0000

-”Blanton rising from a 4th starter up to a solid number 3 type stopper’

Can we PLEASE stop throwing out numbers for starters like it’s the wheel of fortune.

Ace
Frontline starter
Middle of the rotation starter
back end rotation filler

Now look around the depth charts and you’ll see the Phils are comparable to pretty much everyone (outside of the Yankees). The insiders say 90% of baseball teams are pretty much the same with 5% good and 5% bad. The kicker of it is almost every team is virtually the same no matter the moves and it comes down to play.

By: NJ

NJ — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:49:19 +0000

For one it’s still early in the season and barely any teams have made major reliver or bench moves so Amaro CANNOT be faulted for making a move no-one else can make.

I’m not saying the Phils don’t need quality starting pitching. The Phils have been getting pretty decent pitching in the last few weeks that has been squandered night after night. Look at the months results, you’ll see a hell of a lot more bad offense than pitching.

Not ‘top quality starter’ is going to immediately change the fortunes if the team play isn’t better. That’s all I am saying.

People here like to rubbish so much of this team on bias and nit pick at one of two bad nights out of plenty good. It’s tiring, it’s the kind of trash you’d expect from Mets or Yankees fans who expect all-star play night-on-night.